PGT - Canucks Win- Leaves Fall 2024-01-20

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

there's some UFA options: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2025/caphit/all/defense/ufa/desc/right?stats-season=2024

 

given what this staff did to improve Myers game, I have no doubt there's a player in this list that they can do the same with. 

 

That's a pretty thin list, imo........right now, Myers is the best player on that list.  Maybe Pesce, but I don't think he's going to come cheap.  They could switchZad over to RD, which might be their best option if they think Myers will be too costly.

[Blitz-Pix]

16 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

I agree, but I don't see MOnhan's style fitting the Canucks nearly as well.  Ultimately,it comes down to what it takes to get an addition.......the Canucks are not in desperation mode in anyway and there's no need to overpay for a tdl deal.........leave that for Edm and TO

 

I'm probably in the minority here but I'm hesitant about making a big trade I.E) Guentzal, Lindholm, Tanev or someone like that who's a rental. 

I don't want to gut our prospect pool and picks for an all-in rental. I understand we're considered a contender and that perhaps we should go all in... but I'm leery. 

 

I would personally prefer to tweak our roster with smaller moves for depth in a playoff push.

Unless that deal for EK was on the table, then I'd be willing to part with a roster player, prospects and draft picks.      

 

The team has played really well overall and except for a few games here and there, have been resilient playing the right way. 

Let other teams push all in, cause a big injury to any team's star players can derail a team's chances at a Cup, That's when you need depth! 

Edited January 21 by Blitz-Pix

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Blitz-Pix said:

 

I'm probably in the minority here but I'm hesitant about making a big trade I.E) Guentzal, Lindholm, Tanev or someone like that who's a rental. 

I don't want to gut our prospect pool and picks for an all-in rental. I understand we're considered a contender and that perhaps we should go all in... but I'm leery. 

 

I would personally prefer to tweak our roster with smaller moves for depth in a playoff push.

Unless that deal for EK was on the table, then I'd be willing to part with a roster player, prospects and draft picks.      

 

The team has played really well overall and except for a few games here and there have been resilient playing the right way. 

Let others teams push all in, cause a big injury to any teams star players can derail a team's chances at a Cup, That's when you need depth! 

 

That's where I am as well........this is their first kick at the can and it takes most teams more than a couple runs through to find reall success in the playoffs.  They need to be thinking about the long game, imo.  If they make a big deal (parting with significant pices), it should only be for an RFA player, like they did with Hronek.

[Bob Long]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

That's a pretty thin list, imo........right now, Myers is the best player on that list.  Maybe Pesce, but I don't think he's going to come cheap.  They could switchZad over to RD, which might be their best option if they think Myers will be too costly.

 

if were getting into 4+ then we have to move Garland, which doesn't look like a great idea anymore. We also can't afford to pay Joshua a big payday either. 

 

Like other teams we're going to have to find a way to do more with a  bit less. Heck Tanev might come in cheaper if he's looking at a final deal. Maybe he'd sign for 3x3. 

 

Or maybe JR/PA can turn Kuzy into RFA RHD. 

 

 

 

Edited January 21 by Bob Long

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

if were getting into 4+ then we have to move Garland, which doesn't look like a great idea anymore. We also can't afford to pay Joshua a big payday either. 

 

Like other teams we're going to have to find a way to do more with a  bit less. Heck Tanev might come in cheaper if he's looking at a final deal. Maybe he'd sign for 3x3. 

 

 

 

Ilove Tanev, but we know how that story goes in Van.  My guess is they will move on from Kuzmenko and make some space that way

[Pure961089]

The Canucks have lost 2 games outright in their last 20 games.  

[Blitz-Pix]

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

That's where I am as well........this is their first kick at the can and it takes most teams more than a couple runs through to find reall success in the playoffs.  They need to be thinking about the long game, imo.  If they make a big deal (parting with significant pices), it should only be for an RFA player, like they did with Hronek.

 

If we were getting someone with term on a reasonable contract that changes things for me though.

In that senario, I'd be willing to push all in. 

[stawns]

Just now, Pure961089 said:

The Canucks have lost 2 games outright in their last 20 games.  

 

That's great, but they can't be resting on their laurels, the Oilers are in hot pursuit and if Vegas gets healthy and back on track, they'll also be threatening.  Top spotinthe Pacific will make a huge difference to their chances

[stawns]

Just now, Blitz-Pix said:

 

If we were getting someone with term on a reasonable contract that changes things for me though.

In that senario, I'd be willing to push all in. 

 

same with me, at least for the first rounder.  I'd say they shouldn't be putting Hogz, Podz, Lek, Willander or Raty out there as bait.

[Artemus]

20 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

I haven't seen game management like that from the refs in a long time.  I thought they were going to escort Demko to the penalty box for ...reasons 

 

Oh, I didn't think the refs were that bad last night. Thought that we deserved the penalties that we got.

 

When game management is mentioned I can't help but think back to the 2013 playoff series against the Sharks. If IRC we played approximately the equivalent of a 1/2 of a game more short-handed over the 4 game series than the sharks did and a lot of the power plays that we did get in that series came late after the games were all but over. We didn't have a chance. I still think of Kelly Sutherland with nothing but loathing. 2012 playoffs against the Lakers were also bad from a game management point of view.

[Googlie]

4 hours ago, higgyfan said:

 

Myers deserved the penalty, but sometimes it's worth it (O'Reilly needed to be removed).

Tavares is the one that made a dumb move by joining in on the fight.

 

Isn't he their Captain?  And didn't we excoriate Bo for not doing that?

[Pure961089]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

That's great, but they can't be resting on their laurels, the Oilers are in hot pursuit and if Vegas gets healthy and back on track, they'll also be threatening.  Top spotinthe Pacific will make a huge difference to their chances

I think last years team might have been worried.  But this team isn't concerned about what other teams are doing.  

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

I think last years team might have been worried.  But this team isn't concerned about what other teams are doing.  

 

Regardless, they can't let up 

[Googlie]

4 hours ago, DeNiro said:

I mean every team is gonna play top teams after the all star break I don’t think our schedule is any different.

 

Thats 10 games out of 33. I’m sure theres lots of bottom teams mixed in there too.

 

 

 

17, isn't it?

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

6 hours ago, -dlc- said:

I love Petey and that jersey but it just wasn't right.

 

I am buying a black skate Miller as fast I can find one. I will retire my signed one (I always get worried it'll get ruined anyway). Put it in my treasure chest.

I have that hookup

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

6 hours ago, tas said:

I trusted you.

 

never again. 

Not a fan?

[Bob Long]

39 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

My guess is they will move on from Kuzmenko and make some space that way

 

tbh this seems like the best move to me. We're winning now with Kuzy as a 0.5 ppg top 9. If someone out there thinks he can regain his goal scoring form then maybe there's a deal out there. 

[tas]

2 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Not a fan?

it did nothing for me. 

[Googlie]

1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing empty net goals are 5 v 6 so don't figure (Boeser, Petey etc)

[Artemus]

2 hours ago, Pure961089 said:

TrelivIng is Benning 2.0.   He's just bad.  Makes panic moves to save his skin even if he has to destroy the future product as a result.  Short sighted and narrow thinking.  Reeks of Desperation, just like Benning.  Shanahan made a rushed decision hiring Treliving.   

 

Hmmm.

While I believe that Treliving may not be a shining example of a GM, he is no where close to be being as incompetent as Jim Benning was.

I think that history will place Jim Benning's name alongside that of Mad Mike Milbury's name as a one-two punch for who was the worst NHL GM of all time.

 

[Googlie]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

Everything is awesome.

 

I would look at very minor tweaks.

 

Grass may not be greener. Our stats when leading going into the 3rd is just unreal. We can score and obviously hold the lead. Let's not fix what is not broken.

 

We are special, very well balanced.

 

Plan the fookin parade. 

 

But we've lost the overall lead in goals for - to Colorado - we have 3 fewer but a game in hand.  Gotta run up the score vs Chicago

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

5 hours ago, Rip The Mesh said:

Why do the Leafs jerseys have Canucks patches and stripes?

[stawns]

Just now, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said:

Why do the Leafs jerseys have Canucks patches and stripes?

 

Looks like an AI photo to me

[Johnny]

34 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

sorry, his numbers and play suggest otherwise

Look

Im a Myers supporter, you might have seen my earlier post defending him.

 

But out of our Dmen he has 4th highest average time on the ice

 

Hes the highest time on ice dman for the PK. The part of the game where the team suffers the most. His play here can definitely be improved. So say Alvin goes and gets a beauty right shot dman who can PK really well and myers minutes here get cut by 1 minute then he is right there with Zadorov.

Since Myers has been in van he has averaged 21 to 22 minutes per game, which his numbers suggest that was too much.

 

this year now that hes down to 19 he is more effective but there is still room to improve on his takeaway/turnover rate which favours turnovers 3-1, this to me suggests he gets in a tough spot more often than one would like

 

Ideally he is the perfect number 5 defensemen who can move up as needed. What is helping him the most is that zadorov 18 mins atoi and Soucy 17.5 atoi are playing a bit more than average 5/6 defensemen as those two are very similar in that they are number 5 dmen who can play up when needed. This helps to keep myers’ minutes down a bit

Comparing Myers to Brandon Dillon of the jets

 

Dillon is better across the board at  advanced stats but trails by 3 points and is making 3.5/year. His play has been a little better than his career average this year but for the most part he has been solid since his time with

Both are utilized the same with Dillon having a higher dzone start and ending with a higher corsi and a better plus/minus

 

The major distinction with Myers is that this is a more solid year but he has a much better defensive group around him in a better system playing less minutes per game. 

 

My conclusion is that he is a great number 5 guy on a team and with him Turning 34 in 2 weeks signing him for 3 years at 3.25-3.5 is not far fetched

[Barn Burner]

55 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

That's a pretty thin list, imo........right now, Myers is the best player on that list.  Maybe Pesce, but I don't think he's going to come cheap.  They could switchZad over to RD, which might be their best option if they think Myers will be too costly.

I'm okay with Juulsen if Myers is too expensive. 

 

I want D who can play D first. We have Hughes and Hronek to generate offense.