The Russia/Ukraine War Thread

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'Situation unstable' in frontline areas, UK MoD says

The British Ministry of Defence says the frontline situation in areas like Donetsk is unstable due to Ukrainian ammunition and personnel shortages.

It noted Russian attacks near key villages west of Avdiivka, including Tonenke, which Russia has claimed to have seized (see 10.29am post). 

However, the MoD said Russian progress was slow, "likely partially due to the heavy losses sustained in the Avdiivka campaign". 

Despite this, "the situation remains unstable", it said, adding that "Ukrainian shortages of personnel and munitions likely limiting their ability to hold positions". 

[I.Am.Ironman]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

 

Maybe this is part of the reason why France is upping the ante

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

 

Unless NATO is prepared to draw a line against their direct involvement in Ukraine then Putin will continue his murder and mayhem. It is long overdue and has cost 100’s thousands of lives. It makes Gaza look like a minor action.

[King Heffy]

52 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Unless NATO is prepared to draw a line against their direct involvement in Ukraine then Putin will continue his murder and mayhem. It is long overdue and has cost 100’s thousands of lives. It makes Gaza look like a minor action.

These should be considered the same level of provocation as nukes.  Moscow needs to be a parking lot if they use even one.

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2 hours ago, Honky Cat said:

'Situation unstable' in frontline areas, UK MoD says

The British Ministry of Defence says the frontline situation in areas like Donetsk is unstable due to Ukrainian ammunition and personnel shortages.

It noted Russian attacks near key villages west of Avdiivka, including Tonenke, which Russia has claimed to have seized (see 10.29am post). 

However, the MoD said Russian progress was slow, "likely partially due to the heavy losses sustained in the Avdiivka campaign". 

Despite this, "the situation remains unstable", it said, adding that "Ukrainian shortages of personnel and munitions likely limiting their ability to hold positions". 

Thanks, Speaker Johnson...

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[Kootenay Gold]

1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

Unless NATO is prepared to draw a line against their direct involvement in Ukraine then Putin will continue his murder and mayhem. It is long overdue and has cost 100’s thousands of lives. It makes Gaza look like a minor action.

This is fear mongering and not much else. The US has at its disposal the MOAB (mother of all bombs) that they used at least once in Afghanistan. The bomb weighed in at 22,000 lbs of explosives and had a blast radius of one mile. This is far less than what it would take to devastate a large city. The other factor to consider is how long would it take to produce that many bombs and how would they be delivered to the target. Something that big would either have to be dropped by a very large and slow transport plane or fired much like a cruise missile albeit a very large one  In comparison the Ammonium Nitrate explosion in Lebanon in 2020 had a TNT equivalent of 1,100 tons

[I.Am.Ironman]

8 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

This is fear mongering and not much else. The US has at its disposal the MOAB (mother of all bombs) that they used at least once in Afghanistan. The bomb weighed in at 22,000 lbs of explosives and had a blast radius of one mile. This is far less than what it would take to devastate a large city. The other factor to consider is how long would it take to produce that many bombs and how would they be delivered to the target. Something that big would either have to be dropped by a very large and slow transport plane or fired much like a cruise missile albeit a very large one  In comparison the Ammonium Nitrate explosion in Lebanon in 2020 had a TNT equivalent of 1,100 tons

 

I remember that. Huge explosion. I was interested so I looked it up:

 

The nuclear device dropped on Hiroshima was in the range of 13-15 kilotons of TNT equivalent. By way of comparison, one of the US military's biggest conventional weapons, the GBU-43/B MOAB ("Massive Ordnance Air Blast") device, has a yield of around 11 tons.

"The Beirut explosion is interesting because it sits almost directly in a sort of no-man's land between the largest conventional weapons and nuclear weapons," said Dr Rigby

"It was about 10 times bigger than the biggest conventional weapon, and 10 to 20 times smaller than the early nuclear weapons," he told BBC News.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54420033

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, Kootenay Gold said:

This is fear mongering and not much else. The US has at its disposal the MOAB (mother of all bombs) that they used at least once in Afghanistan. The bomb weighed in at 22,000 lbs of explosives and had a blast radius of one mile. This is far less than what it would take to devastate a large city. The other factor to consider is how long would it take to produce that many bombs and how would they be delivered to the target. Something that big would either have to be dropped by a very large and slow transport plane or fired much like a cruise missile albeit a very large one  In comparison the Ammonium Nitrate explosion in Lebanon in 2020 had a TNT equivalent of 1,100 tons

It probably is fear mongering. It is an opportunity for NATO to do a bit of the same. IMHO NATO should tell Russia to leave Ukraine by May 1st or NATO will start moving troops into Ukraine. Anything less is politicians politicking while thousands die. 

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13 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

It probably is fear mongering. It is an opportunity for NATO to do a bit of the same. IMHO NATO should tell Russia to leave Ukraine by May 1st or NATO will start moving troops into Ukraine. Anything less is politicians politicking while thousands die. 

Sad to say their are a lot of politicians down South and in Europe that don't have the Kahunas to make it happen. IMO, the F16's can't arrive soon enough and re-supply of ammo to Ukraine of all shapes and sizes also needs to be done ASAP!

 

At least NATO has committed to building a large regional air base in Romania that will serve as a deterrent to Russian aggression in that direction. I would assume it will be home to many different planes including F35's, F16's, Euro fighters and Grippen's as well as a number of P8A Poseidon surveillance planes. The P8A will be a vital component IMO, for their ability to monitor both the sky and waters of the Black Sea area for any incoming or perceived threats to the airbase and NATO assets.

 

 

[CBH1926]

4 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said:

This is fear mongering and not much else. The US has at its disposal the MOAB (mother of all bombs) that they used at least once in Afghanistan. The bomb weighed in at 22,000 lbs of explosives and had a blast radius of one mile. This is far less than what it would take to devastate a large city. The other factor to consider is how long would it take to produce that many bombs and how would they be delivered to the target. Something that big would either have to be dropped by a very large and slow transport plane or fired much like a cruise missile albeit a very large one  In comparison the Ammonium Nitrate explosion in Lebanon in 2020 had a TNT equivalent of 1,100 tons

They have around 60 Tu-22 heavy bombers that would carry those bombs. Each can carry 2, these same bombers would carry nuclear bombs as well. As far as the production goes, Russians are outpacing U.S and Europe when it comes to various munitions production. These are “dumb” bombs, so I am pretty sure that they could crank them out, since roughly 1/3 of entire Russian industry is geared towards military.

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[Kootenay Gold]

2 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

They have around 60 Tu-22 heavy bombers that would carry those bombs. Each can carry 2, these same bombers would carry nuclear bombs as well. As far as the production goes, Russians are outpacing U.S and Europe when it comes to various munitions production. These are “dumb” bombs, so I am pretty sure that they could crank them out, since roughly 1/3 of entire Russian industry is geared towards military.

The use of these bombs on any large city in Ukraine would likely draw NATO into the war and I doubt very much Putin has much appetite for that as he would get his ass kicked in short order IMO. NATO war planes would probably make short work of Russia's air force foolish enough to fire at them.

 

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not so good ..

 

 

 

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World is more concerned with oil prices than actually defeating RuZ/ Putin swiftly.

 

 

 

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