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Listening to Lavrov in this interview,

Proves The Orcs that RUN RuZ ,   Are so intertwined in American politics for their own financial gain ,  and that is all they care about .

 

Putin and Lavrovs survival rests solely on a Trump win .

it’s all they have left ,   A Trump Hail Mary.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

What a disgusting shame.  

Tell Putin Moscow is being divided up into 4 quarters and he has 4 days to end the war.  
Each day that passes, destroy a quarter of Moscow.  
After 4 days, if no pull out, just destroy a town/city at a time.  
Nothing seems to get through to this monster.  
Maybe actual death and destruction in Russia will help bring an end.  
Probably not but honestly at this point, and I know it’s wrong, but I’m starting to just want to see Russia burn.  
 

Likely seeing Russia burn will be what it takes. Putin certainly will not change his strategy because of attacks inside Russia. Anything less than victory in Ukraine will see his head on a pike. Even if he wins in Ukraine the fate of his country has already been decided. Russia is in a spiral into oblivion. 

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Scholz: Germany 🇩🇪 ordered 17 IRIS-T air defense systems for Ukraine German Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed the order of additional IRIS-T air defense systems of various configurations for the Bundeswehr and the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Scholz said the Bundeswehr's purchase of six IRIS-T systems will strengthen the European Sky Shield air defense initiative involving 21 countries. He also announced the order of 17 IRIS-T systems for Ukraine. The DPA agency clarifies that it is about eight medium-range systems (SLM) and another nine short-range (SLS). Four SLM and three SLS systems are already in Ukraine.R7WYECYRBIw_W9x9gQ2HXii-gu-3QXK9dgbWw0168oq3xbY-P2m-kOtMh4gSqQlBwUtN51AeX4sp=s800-rw-nd-v1

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UK 🇬🇧 signs $392 mn deal for artillery shells to support Ukraine The UK government reports that the United Kingdom signed a £300 million ($392 million) contract to procure 120,000 152mm artillery shells for Ukraine. The contract, part of the International Fund for Ukraine (IFU), aims to deliver these munitions over 18 months. Several thousand rounds are expected to reach Ukraine by the end of 2024. The IFU, initially launched by Denmark and the UK in 2022, has attracted contributions from eight countries, totaling over £1 billion ($1.3 billion).-bVyL2GWqt6ttHyMlC65xynnb2EcyDtNZzrDxy5ypIfnGmzLtKwEckALS2u-PQkLujAUIImrN7b5=s800-rw-nd-v1

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38 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

We hear these stories about western ally support but that is countered by reveltions that the actual shipments are not happening. That weapons promised won't actually get shipped for years. Meanwhile Ukrainians are dying. 

 

It appears the main culprits in this is the USA and Germany. Both countries are more worried about geopolitical concerns than the death being visited on Ukrainians. Not only are their promised supplies stalled but they refuse to allow the AFU to use the weapons they do have to their full capability. It appears both the USA and Germany are more interested in what promises they can extract from Putin than a actual victory for Ukraine. As these objectives become more obvious to Ukraine and to other eastern European members of NATO these countries must develope counter strategies. 

 

Ukraine is developing their own military supply production. IMHO Poland is the key. If Poland unilaterally aids Ukraine outside of NATO restrictions it will be a game changer. Poland has to realize that the war in Ukraine is a Putin preamble to greater ambitions. It is a major error to assume the Russian effort in Ukraine is solely based on Putin's ambition. Russia's move into Ukraine is likely a last gasp effort to change the geopolitical challenges faced by a spent communist ideology. Putin is not unique. 

Largely agreed with your last sentence. Putin's 'middle class' would classify just a tiny fraction above our homeless addicted folks. There is a ruling upper class, the barely housed alcholics and then the downright desperate. The only two asides to that are the gang related 'wealthy' who simply take what they want and pay off the authorities, and those in government positions. His cities seem to be the last bastion of anything we may consider middle class here. 
It is easy to say in Russia that capitalism has failed them worse than communism, but easier for a strong man to keep a grip on power with promises of a return to halcyon days.
I think largely for two years Putin was hoping not to simply carpet bomb Ukraine into oblivion, but as he gets more desperate, he seems to not mind simply grinding up Ukraine for a pyric victory. 
As for the US and Germany helping Ukraine; they do so as much as they can possibly do so without cornering or trapping Putin who has, as a last resort, enough Nukes to simply wipe out humanity. I don't think anyone wants to push Russia to cross that line, but I think being afraid of a sociopath with nukes is a good posture. 

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2 hours ago, SilentSam said:


could answer a few questions at the Haugue if the evidence suggests his propoganda was a “return of favour” to terrorists backing his finances 

 


Billionaires have profited from both sides of war for decades.

 

This is literally nothing new.

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