The Russia/Ukraine War Thread

[Canuck Surfer]

4 hours ago, Muscatel Marauder said:

 

 

This the most awesome video.

 

I wonder if he has ever been to Vancouver Island?

 

[VegasCanuck]

6 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I saw a headline. That if NATO attacked Russia in defence of Ukraine, Russia would fall in 3 days. 

I have mixed emotions. Part of me wants to have NATO kick Russia out. And make sure they don't do any kind of stupid aggression again.

But the other side of me worries escalation may not solve anything and just means more bloodshed. 

 

I find this hard to believe because that would require one hell of a logisitcal, tactical and strategic move. The other is where are the bases they would be staging from?

Unless they are talking a multi front invasion so that Putin gets overthrown.

 

Russia having nuclear weapons is the ultimate bluff. But considering Putin doesn't seem to be that all there, he seems just psycho enough to do it. 

Hopefully Ukraine will kick orc ass. It's certainly not the easy mark they thought it was. And it's bleeding Russia dry. 

The big question around Russia and their nuclear ability is, considering how badly the rest of their equipment has performed, would their rockets even fly.

 

Not that anyone really wants to find out. 

[Boudrias]

9 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I saw a headline. That if NATO attacked Russia in defence of Ukraine, Russia would fall in 3 days. 

I have mixed emotions. Part of me wants to have NATO kick Russia out. And make sure they don't do any kind of stupid aggression again.

But the other side of me worries escalation may not solve anything and just means more bloodshed. 

 

I find this hard to believe because that would require one hell of a logisitcal, tactical and strategic move. The other is where are the bases they would be staging from?

Unless they are talking a multi front invasion so that Putin gets overthrown.

 

Russia having nuclear weapons is the ultimate bluff. But considering Putin doesn't seem to be that all there, he seems just psycho enough to do it. 

Hopefully Ukraine will kick orc ass. It's certainly not the easy mark they thought it was. And it's bleeding Russia dry. 

Ignoring the logistics issues faced by NATO in 2022, NATO should have issued ultimatums to Russia at that time. A timeline of escalation of NATO involvement inside Ukraine in aid of their fight to throw the Russians out. I find it hard to believe that NATO intelligence does not have a clear idea of what Russian capabilities are, then and now. Their limited support suggests to me of concerns beyond that of Ukraine.

 

Limiting support to Ukraine is bleeding out the Russian ability to fight a ground war. It will make NATO dominant for many years at no loss of men and equipment. NATO had to worry about who would succeed Putin if he was defeated. Would Russia even be governable if Putin was eliminated. WHo would gain control of the nuclear arsenal? The last 3 years has allowed greater investment in weapons production inside NATO. If a conflict with Russia happens NATO will be better prepared. 

 

What about Ukraine? Ukrainians have been killed by the 100's of thousands. Yes, they are fighting for their country but indirectly they are fighting and dying for the rest of us. With sufficient support the AFU can defeat the Russians and force them from Ukrainian territory. It will only happen on a NATO schedule and Ukraine can't do much about it. Ukraine's true situation is likely known by NATO.

 

I have always thought that NATO should have issued demands for Russian withdrawl based on accelerated support for Ukraine if not met. Failure to comply would mean NATO boots on the ground inside Ukraine. First medical teams, then logistics support, then air defense and finally combat forces. As long as this aid did not go beyond Ukraine territory then Russia would be in no position to oppose such action. 

 

Ultimately peace can be offered based on Russian withdrawal, Ukraine membership in NATO and the EU, Russian compensation to rebuild Ukraine and the return of thousands of kidnapped children. Poland and Ukraine will eventually be the anvil of NATO.  

[SilentSam]

11 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I saw a headline. That if NATO attacked Russia in defence of Ukraine, Russia would fall in 3 days. 

I have mixed emotions. Part of me wants to have NATO kick Russia out. And make sure they don't do any kind of stupid aggression again.

But the other side of me worries escalation may not solve anything and just means more bloodshed. 

 

I find this hard to believe because that would require one hell of a logisitcal, tactical and strategic move. The other is where are the bases they would be staging from?

Unless they are talking a multi front invasion so that Putin gets overthrown.

 

Russia having nuclear weapons is the ultimate bluff. But considering Putin doesn't seem to be that all there, he seems just psycho enough to do it. 

Hopefully Ukraine will kick orc ass. It's certainly not the easy mark they thought it was. And it's bleeding Russia dry. 

 

With this news below,  I wonder if this War / Conflict is becoming more about Liberating Russians ,   Many who do not want to War with UKR ,  …. Or go to a slaughter..

     all because of one man’s ignorance.

 

 

 

 

[SilentSam]

 

 

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[SilentSam]

It’s true:     Take the kids gloves off ..

 

 

 

The US Helsinki Commission calls on Washington to abandon the Cold War-era status quo in relations with Russia and call Moscow a "permanent" threat to global security.

️The priority direction of the strategy is to ensure the victory of Ukraine in its defensive war against Russia, to call for "massive" military and humanitarian aid to Kyiv, and to enable the Ukrainian armed forces to strike deep into Russia with the help of Western weapons.
 

[Boudrias]

14 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

With this news below,  I wonder if this War / Conflict is becoming more about Liberating Russians ,   Many who do not want to War with UKR ,  …. Or go to a slaughter..

     all because of one man’s ignorance.

 

 

 

 

I think it is a mistake to think that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was solely a Putin gambit. The Russian demographic is imploding, as it is in many countries, but even worse inside Russia. They have not kidnapped 100's of thousands of Ukrainian kids for no reason. They are simply running out of people who can work and defend their country. Top that with the mindlessness of the majority of Russians who support the Ukraine invasion. Admittedly there is an opposition but how effectve it will ever be is questionable. 

[VegasCanuck]

13 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

With this news below,  I wonder if this War / Conflict is becoming more about Liberating Russians ,   Many who do not want to War with UKR ,  …. Or go to a slaughter..

     all because of one man’s ignorance.

 

 

 

 

I forsee an explosion in the Russian Bride business, sadly...

[Boudrias]

5 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

It’s true:     Take the kids gloves off ..

 

 

 

The US Helsinki Commission calls on Washington to abandon the Cold War-era status quo in relations with Russia and call Moscow a "permanent" threat to global security.

️The priority direction of the strategy is to ensure the victory of Ukraine in its defensive war against Russia, to call for "massive" military and humanitarian aid to Kyiv, and to enable the Ukrainian armed forces to strike deep into Russia with the help of Western weapons.
 

There is no guaranttee that Putin cannot revive his war effort and the effectiveness of his military. Possible but doubtful. Finishing Russia off has to be the 

#1 geopolitical goal for the western world. With Russia done it makes dealing with China so much easier. It could enable a much more secure globe which would benefit all people. 

[SilentSam]

RuZ ,   has no control , no discipline, ..

         they are, and always will be provocations initiated by them for a reaction to act upon..

 

        Warmongering ,  is not looking after your country or your people.

 

 

 

[SilentSam]

The Danes’ delivered F16’s yesterday,

   Today ,  the Dutch ..

 

 

 

Winter ,  will be glorious.

[SilentSam]

Having said that about Winter,.   
and apparently this one is supposed to be extremely cold where normally mild ..

 

 

 

 

 

[Kootenay Gold]

4 hours ago, SilentSam said:

RuZ ,   has no control , no discipline, ..

         they are, and always will be provocations initiated by them for a reaction to act upon..

 

        Warmongering ,  is not looking after your country or your people.

 

 

 

If they venture into US or Canadian airspace they should be shot down period. No pussy footing around. Send a clear message back to the Kremlin of what will happen to any further incursions into NORAD air space.

 

 Note that since Turkey shot down a Ruskie jet in its airspace a few year back, there have been no further reported incursions over Turkey.

 

Edited Monday at 09:44 PM by Kootenay Gold

[SilentSam]

Terrorists are talking …

 

 

 

 

[Boudrias]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

Having said that about Winter,.   
and apparently this one is supposed to be extremely cold where normally mild ..

 

 

Do the Ukrainian drones have heat sensors?  It will be a cold winter in Russia. The number and range of AFU drones is vastly improved since last 

winter. 

 

 

 

[Kootenay Gold]

11 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

 

I'm pretty sure the drones could be equipped with infrared sensors to detect heat sources, be it equipment or armed personnel. They may already have that incorporated into their design.

 

 

 

[DeNiro]

7 hours ago, SilentSam said:

 

With this news below,  I wonder if this War / Conflict is becoming more about Liberating Russians ,   Many who do not want to War with UKR ,  …. Or go to a slaughter..

     all because of one man’s ignorance.

 

 

 

 

Im gonna guess that the conscripts fit a very specific demographic.

 

He’s committing genocide on his own people no doubt.

[SilentSam]

 

 

[WeneedLumme]

11 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

I forsee an explosion in the Russian Bride business, sadly...

There's a huge shortage of brides in China. Probably another area where China will be taking advantage of Russia's increasingly desperate situation.

[SilentSam]

Im somewhat perplexed by some reporting these days …

I just read a CNN report about an announcement by RuZ stating that they are raising their defensive budget by 30% ..

       

and ummm,  UKR Forces are within 2 - 300kms of Moscow.

 

lol

 

“” The Russian government wants to earmark 32.5% of its spending for defense in 2025, a record amount and up from a reported 28.3% this year, as Moscow seeks to prevail in the war in Ukraine.

 

The government’s draft budget released Monday proposes spending just under 13.5 trillion rubles (over $145 billion) on national defense. That is about three trillion rubles ($32 billion) more than was set aside for defense in 2024, which was the previous record. “”

 

 

 

 

[SilentSam]

 

 

[SilentSam]