AatuD2 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 This is the truth and simple facts. I expect many of you to have trouble coming to terms with this and calling it Russian propaganda. The news coverage in North America has been horrible and I imagine that it's just as bad as actual Russian propaganda in the East. John Maersheimer has been right all along, and we're talking a 20 year track record here. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post WeneedLumme Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, AatuD2 said: This is the truth and simple facts. I expect many of you to have trouble coming to terms with this and calling it Russian propaganda. The news coverage in North America has been horrible and I imagine that it's just as bad as actual Russian propaganda in the East. John Maersheimer has been right all along, and we're talking a 20 year track record here. What an absolute load of crap. Anybody who believes this nonsense is very gullible. So Russia had no intention of conquering Ukraine? And the evidence is that after they tried to take the Capital City and badly embarrassed themselves with that stalled 40 km column of poorly trained, incompetently led and badly equipped military, they tried to negotiate permanent ownership of the territory they had been successful in stealing? And the reason for the invasion in the first place was because of Nato's aggressive empire building, because Nato has such a clear track record of attacking and taking over innocent countries? And the invasion was not for the purpose of stealing Ukraine's energy, agricultural and industrial assets? Some people are certainly determined to believe mindless drivel. Edited November 20, 2023 by WeneedLumme 3 1 1 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Satchmo Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 8 hours ago, AatuD2 said: 1) This is the truth and simple facts. 2) expect many of you to have trouble coming to terms with this and calling it Russian propaganda. The news coverage in North America has been horrible and I imagine that it's just as bad as actual Russian propaganda in the East. 3)John Maersheimer has been right all along, and we're talking a 20 year track record here. 1) These are opinions and nothing more from a highly educated man who revels in having in unconventional views and finding pockets of the population who agrees with him. 2) Yup, I have trouble with it. I think it's well spoken nonsense. And yes, of course, media on all sides has shown bias. Been that way since the Trojan wars. 3) 'Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.' 1 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 10 hours ago, AatuD2 said: This is the truth and simple facts. I expect many of you to have trouble coming to terms with this and calling it Russian propaganda. The news coverage in North America has been horrible and I imagine that it's just as bad as actual Russian propaganda in the East. John Maersheimer has been right all along, and we're talking a 20 year track record here. Many of us expect you have trouble understanding truth, what is real in life, and how to navigate it . It’s best to learn from history , and leave it in the past . History is something that can not be changed, but the present, and future can be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilentSam Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 I’m posting (pasted) this because the Middle East seems to be coming to terms with which country ( RuZ ) has been upsetting the relationships of many in their part of the world . Perhaps it’s an appeal to “rally” and rid themselves of the real instigators of terror and terrorism that greatly effect all of them: ”” Bahrain's Crown Prince Salman bin Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa has condemned the Hamas attack on Israel and called on the militants to release hostages held in the Gaza Strip. "I unequivocally condemn Hamas. This is to make everyone in the room realize that I stand on the side of civilians and innocent people, not on the side of political declarations. The terrorist attacks of October 7 were barbaric, they were horrific, they were indiscriminate. Russia's invasion of Afghanistan led to the creation of Al-Qaeda. The invasion of Iraq allowed ISIS to flourish in a vacuum. Think of what this (the invasion of Gaza) will create in the age of social media." 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) This is BRILLIANT !! ( heard it was in the works ) .. realizing this, It can allow 1 large drone can piggyback another large drone for deep targeting and reconnaissance missions. Slava UKraine Edited November 20, 2023 by SilentSam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Destabilization of the West is a core Value of RuZ / Natzi / Putin agenda , whether in Peace Time , or War , Ruz has been a threat to democracy every where in the World for decades. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WeneedLumme Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, SilentSam said: That should work out well for them. They have had so much success invading Ukraine that they are clearly ready to take on Nato. At the same time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, WeneedLumme said: That should work out well for them. They have had so much success invading Ukraine that they are clearly ready to take on Nato. At the same time. .… which is what Putin is trying to accomplish , drawing a combined effort of NATO nations to RuZ borders so he can press ALL the buttons . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DSVII Posted November 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 hours ago, Optimist Prime said: Seems that Ten Square KM's are of the southern bank of the Dnipro River are under Ukrainian control Amazing that they can accomplish a river crossing under enemy fire without air superiority. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 A peek into history , not too long ago .. filmed in Latvia. RuZ mentality hasn’t changed, educated or not , to be this way to others they feel entitled and powerful.… but when faced with enough tolerance there comes a tipping point that they cower to . 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimist Prime Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, DSVII said: Amazing that they can accomplish a river crossing under enemy fire without air superiority. from the accounts it was a particularly overcast, miserable and fortunately foggy night. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 16 hours ago, AatuD2 said: This is the truth and simple facts. I expect many of you to have trouble coming to terms with this and calling it Russian propaganda. The news coverage in North America has been horrible and I imagine that it's just as bad as actual Russian propaganda in the East. John Maersheimer has been right all along, and we're talking a 20 year track record here. You are assuming people in this thread get information about this war from "North American news coverage". You can't be further from the truth. Also, following your logic, it wasn't hitler's fault for WWII, but the countries who accepted German surrender at the end of WWI. Right? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, RomanPer said: You are assuming people in this thread get information about this war from "North American news coverage". You can't be further from the truth. Also, following your logic, it wasn't hitler's fault for WWII, but the countries who accepted German surrender at the end of WWI. Right? This kind of tripe got debunked last February on the old boards. Most sane people aren't going to waste an hour of their lives watching that garbage. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, AatuD2 said: This is the truth and simple facts. I expect many of you to have trouble coming to terms with this and calling it Russian propaganda. The news coverage in North America has been horrible and I imagine that it's just as bad as actual Russian propaganda in the East. John Maersheimer has been right all along, and we're talking a 20 year track record here. Your words here tell me that you are currently in a bubble of propaganda and want to be correct and probably "pwn everyone's butts in here." Am I right? You "expect" people to be against what you say because you KNOW what you're saying is likely incorrect. You've seen the flaws of it but refuse to come to your own terms; therefore, your own struggles have to be what the opposite side is struggling with, not what you're struggling with. You're too "strong-wiled" to see strong-willed as being a weakness, not a strength. Am I accurate? Edited November 21, 2023 by The Lock 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, RomanPer said: You are assuming people in this thread get information about this war from "North American news coverage". You can't be further from the truth. Also, following your logic, it wasn't hitler's fault for WWII, but the countries who accepted German surrender at the end of WWI. Right? Obviously anybody reading this thread gets all their information from "Thuh Manestreem Meedia", right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post I.Am.Ironman Posted November 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2023 13 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: What an absolute load of crap. Anybody who believes this nonsense is very gullible. So Russia had no intention of conquering Ukraine? And the evidence is that after they tried to take the Capital City and badly embarrassed themselves with that stalled 40 km column of poorly trained, incompetently led and badly equipped military, they tried to negotiate permanent ownership of the territory they had been successful in stealing? And the reason for the invasion in the first place was because of Nato's aggressive empire building, because Nato has such a clear track record of attacking and taking over innocent countries? And the invasion was not for the purpose of stealing Ukraine's energy, agricultural and industrial assets? Some people are certainly determined to believe mindless drivel. And surprise... crickets. The NATO expansion argument holds water at first glance with some of those visuals that are circulating where they show the map of Europe through the last 80 years (more countries joining NATO colouring in Europe towards Russia). But then the question should be asked 'how does one join NATO'? Answer: it's by application only. There is no recruiting. So then the obvious question is 'why are more countries applying to join NATO'?...... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post King Heffy Posted November 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: And surprise... crickets. The NATO expansion argument holds water at first glance with some of those visuals that are circulating where they show the map of Europe through the last 80 years (more countries joining NATO colouring in Europe towards Russia). But then the question should be asked 'how does one join NATO'? Answer: it's by application only. There is no recruiting. So then the obvious question is 'why are more countries applying to join NATO'?...... Putin is the best salesman NATO ever had. 5 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 21 hours ago, SilentSam said: Destabilization of the West is a core Value of RuZ / Natzi / Putin agenda , whether in Peace Time , or War , Ruz has been a threat to democracy every where in the World for decades. I don't blame the migrants in the least here. Give me a bike, car or freain tuk tuk and I'd get my ass to Finland over Russia. Honestly surprised Russia just isn't using them for canon fodder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I can't think of the right words to say as a lead in to this article and will just let it speak for itself. Ukrainian Eurovision winner added to Russia's wanted list https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67478220 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Seems like the U.S is about to let UKR test the waters with GLSDB from HIMARS. 1 unit . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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