SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Perhaps another reason to reclaim that x- air base in the Pacific is to back up deliveries.. Seems like good preparation .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Germany has updated the list of military aid delivered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine: 3 Gepard SPAAGs 10 Vector UAVs 2 HX81 5 Semi-trailers for HX81 8 Mercedes-Benz Zetros 2 WiSENT 1 MC 2 Border protection vehicles 8 Vehicles 2 AMPS self-protection systems for helicopters Ammunition for Leopard 2A6 MBTs 30,240 rounds of 35mm ammunition for Gepard SPAAG 2,500 shells of 155mm artillery ammunition 25,536 rounds of 40mm ammunition for automatic grenade launchers Medical material 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I wonder if every RuZ citizen was given a weapon ,. Who they would point it at.. hopefully a tipping point happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Lol.. they think they’re diplomatic?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 New high tech !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) Just an update : Nikolai Patrushev is behind the murder of Yevgeny Prigozhin The Wall Street Journal investigated the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin. According to the newspaper, the head of the Security Council, Patrushev, warned Putin that betting on the PMC "Wagner" in the war with Ukraine gives Prigozhin a lot of political and military influence, which increasingly threatens the Kremlin. Putin did not heed his words, as the PMC was successful on the battlefield. When the conflict between Prigozhin and the Defense Ministry leadership erupted into open mutiny in late June, Patrushev intervened to prevent the most serious challenge to Putin's more than 20-year rule. He also saw an opportunity to get rid of Prigozhin. During Prigozhin's mutiny, Patrushev asked officers sympathetic to Prigozhin to convince the PMC head to stand down. Five calls to Prigozhin from the Kremlin went unanswered. He also sought intermediaries: there were calls to the governments of Kazakhstan and Belarus. President Kasym-Jomart Tokayev refused, distancing himself from the conflict in Ukraine. Alexander Lukashenka eventually agreed. After the mutiny, the Kremlin gave Prigozhin the appearance of a free life, he was allowed to return to Africa, but in reality he was constantly being followed. In early August, Patrushev ordered his aide to start developing an operation to eliminate Prigozhin. Putin was fine with that. A few weeks later, after his tour of Africa, Prigozhin waited at the Moscow airport while security officials finished checking the plane. It was during this delay that a small bomb was placed under the plane's wing, Western intelligence officials said. The plane took off, gained altitude and then crashed in the countryside. Eyewitness videos show that after the explosion, the airplane fell out of the sky with its wing torn off. ( copied and pasted from X ) Edited December 22, 2023 by SilentSam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 THIS .. !! Perfecto .. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Lol.. they think they’re diplomatic?!? Send their ambassador home in a body bag. No reason they should be allowed in any civilized country. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, SilentSam said: New high tech !! Doesn't it make you wonder what the American astronauts think when they see such hi tech stuff such as this? The International Space station was on hold the other day because of a failed Russian docking. More snow there than what we have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Whole new term for the word “fertilizer “. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: THIS .. !! Perfecto .. Merely a down payment on what Russia will have to pay. It will take trillions of $'s to rebuild Ukraine. I wonder if the west will lend Ukraine money and use these assets as collateral? It would speed up funding for the war. Not sure where I read it but the Russians were paying pennies on the dollar for business assets abandoned by western firms obeying the boycott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Whole new term for the word “fertilizer “. The Russians couldn't beat the Afgans who used AK-47's. Now there up against a real fighting force and are being killed by the thousands. Those cluster munitions do a hellva job. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Boudrias said: The Russians couldn't beat the Afgans who used AK-47's. Now there up against a real fighting force and are being killed by the thousands. Those cluster munitions do a hellva job. They're absolutely the right tool for the job Very grateful that they've been supplied despite objections from some. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Great insight from a post on X : The information regarding the 3 destroyed Russian Su-34 is still fluid and we still need some more solid facts, but the evidence already at hand and the fuming in Pro-Russian social networks we can be sure that it is basically genuine. Everything points to an event similar to the so-called "Bryansk Massacre" in May 2023, where in a matter of a few minutes 2 fighter planes and 3 choppers of the Russian air force were blown out of the skies of Bryansk, Russia. The Ukrainian Air Force later confirmed that it was responsible and that a MIM-104 Patriot air defence system was used, finally proving all speculations. The events today in the south of Ukraine are similar but in some aspects even more impressive. It required extensive coordination and planning. The three Russian Su-34 were likely part of an air group attacking the Ukrainian detachment in Krynky, Kherson. Russians have been using improved FAB-500 missiles which they fired more than 50km from the impact points and out of range of short and medium-ranged air defense assets of the Ukrainian army. Russians felt basically safe to deploy their standoff weapons. This has dramatically changed. It is highly likely that Ukraine deployed the latest MIM-104 Patriot battery in the south, likely the latest Patriot battery from Germany. The PAC-2 variant has a range of at least 160 km (probably more). This considerably extended the zone in which the Ukrainian air defense was able to destroy enemy planes. I marked it in orange on my map but it is a relatively conservative estimation and considers that the battery is not deployed too close to the current frontline. You can easily extend that area and strike even far deeper. I speculate that once the 3 Russian fighter planes were in the killzone, the Patriot system turned on, targeted the enemy planes and then fired its missiles. This is common practise for all missile-based air defense assets. The missiles travel with the speed of Mach 4 and reached their targets within 1-2 mins which is virtually impossible for the Russian planes to counter or to lose altitude. Yet, the level of planning and coordination is extremely difficult. Even with a excellent weapon system such as MIM-104 Patriot system, you cannot take this for granted. Even small errors could cause failure in this undertaking or even threaten the own survival of the air defense system. The window of success is short and dangerous. But just like in Bryansk they succeeded. The Ukrainian air defense system once again showed us how capable they are. A tribute to their never-ending ingenuity. For the Russian war effort this is extremely bad news. The Russian swarms of drones and missiles in this winter are getting effectively repelled so far. Ukraine finally allows to use its best air defense system even for offensive operations. Krynky is only an example but a good one. Despite the Ukrainian forces only having around 300-500 men in Krynky and Russians on the other side around 7 brigades, which should actually be enough to repel the small Ukrainian detachment in Krynky alone, it was mainly the Russian air force which countered the small Ukrainian unit. The Russian ground forces were pummeled by artillery and drones. It was only the Russian planes which weren't countered, yet. This has obviously changed and it will be another painful thorn in Russia's side. This also comes only after weeks when the Russian Su-24M was shot down over the Black Sea near Snake Island. The message is clear: the south is now officially an hot area for the Russian air force. Even though we shouldn't get too much carried away around these events, it nevertheless shows us that even with a limited extension of supplies Ukrainian forces can inflict decisive losses on the Russian war machinery. The is also no new development. Ukrainians always overperformed with that little they got and with the right weaponry and especially with the right amount they can finish the job. The Russian "strategy" is purely based on the West to stop delivering supplies. They have no plan B, no alternative, and when we start raising the stakes and go seriously in with our supplies and industry, then Ukraine will liberate all the Ukrainian territory and finish the war which Russia started. re: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just to note ,. On / off topic .. Nicky Hailey had more of a Republican tone in her messages last night. She states like most Democratics do , Give everyting required for UKR to defeat RuZ . RuZ must be defeated. Im hopeful that more true Republicans will stop supporting,watching and listening to Trump and his RuZ dancing Bear Circus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, SilentSam said: FAFO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/a-cargo-jet-nearly-collapsed-relations-between-canada-and-russia/ss-AA1cN08m?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d318fe1562104780b9d6011d6ea5fa69&ei=62 "Three days after Vladimir Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a Russian-owned Antanov-124 cargo jet landed at Pearson International Airport on a mission to deliver Covid-19 supplies. However, this jet would not move again and crippled relations between the two countries. ............................. In June 2023, Canada's federal government ordered the seizure of the Anatonov, claiming it had the authority to do so after new legislation was passed that allowed Ottawa to seize frozen assets under sanction even if no crime had been committed. ........................... more at link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Just to note ,. On / off topic .. Nicky Hailey had more of a Republican tone in her messages last night. She states like most Democratics do , Give everyting required for UKR to defeat RuZ . RuZ must be defeated. Im hopeful that more true Republicans will stop supporting,watching and listening to Trump and his RuZ dancing Bear Circus Trump has a core of 30% of the GOP and I question how firm that actually is. IMHO people, both GOP and Democrat are looking for leadership. My only critic of Biden concerning Ukraine support is that it has not been enough. Yes, many billions of $'s but not enough and not enough to allow the AFU to drive the Russians out. Biden's effort to seize Russian assets ($300 billion) and use this money to fund Ukrainian military is fantastic. All this said the Euros are ramping up their militaries and their capacity to produce weapons. We tend to dwell on the military threat that Putin presents but Euros should also consider what a prosperous Ukraine will mean to the EU. IMHO Ukraine will become a economic dynamo that will drive growth for the entire EU. Russia can lose this war with Ukraine and still remain a threat to the west. Ukraine as a EU and NATO member will, along with Poland, be a major deterrent. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, SilentSam said: More idiots taking the bait from Russian propaganda like the Trucker convoy here. Blockading trade should be classified as domestic terrorism. I guess there’s morons everywhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted December 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Boudrias said: Trump has a core of 30% of the GOP and I question how firm that actually is. IMHO people, both GOP and Democrat are looking for leadership. My only critic of Biden concerning Ukraine support is that it has not been enough. Yes, many billions of $'s but not enough and not enough to allow the AFU to drive the Russians out. Biden's effort to seize Russian assets ($300 billion) and use this money to fund Ukrainian military is fantastic. All this said the Euros are ramping up their militaries and their capacity to produce weapons. We tend to dwell on the military threat that Putin presents but Euros should also consider what a prosperous Ukraine will mean to the EU. IMHO Ukraine will become a economic dynamo that will drive growth for the entire EU. Russia can lose this war with Ukraine and still remain a threat to the west. Ukraine as a EU and NATO member will, along with Poland, be a major deterrent. Too many are considering arming Ukraine to be merely an expense. This is an investment in future security for all involved and is a fantastic bargain when viewed as such. 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentSam Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Let’s all go and build them a giant Wall when this is over !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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