5forFighting Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Satchmo said: The ones that want to be Russian. What? Russians can't live in other countries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 32 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: The untraced taxpayer money being sent by all these countries to Ukraine which is then in turn being used to fund lavish gifts for those in charge. Remember, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. At least you are now calling it corruption and not money laundering. Yes, Ukraine has a history of corruption. It's a Soviet habit that is hard to break. Kudos to them for the improvements they've made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshiyoshi Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: The untraced taxpayer money being sent by all these countries to Ukraine which is then in turn being used to fund lavish gifts for those in charge. Remember, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. That is just BS right there. They were very corrupt and then had a revolution in 2013? They have been working very hard to get rid of corruption especially since the start of the war. A major portion of the reason Russia is attacking them is because they are getting rid of the corruption that Russia is a big fan of. The same corruption which is why Russia is having so many internal troubles as a result of its war on Ukraine as well. What you are spouting here is straight up propaganda by Russia. Edited January 15 by Yoshiyoshi 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) More on that Com A50 : The Armed Forces have achieved what was considered impossible: no one in history has shot down a long-range radar detection aircraft — Defense Express Previously, the destruction of such an aircraft was considered impossible, since these aircraft try to avoid the front edge of the front line and stay as far as possible from the area of action of the enemy's air defense. In addition, the escort protects them from the attack of fighters, while the DRLV aircraft itself will guide them to enemy aircraft. In the "VKS" of the Russian Federation, such an aircraft as the A-50 is more than scarce. In total, there are only nine machines "on paper", of which three are still Soviet A-50s, and six more are modernized A-50Us, one of which was damaged in Belarus. The actual number in flying condition is unknown. Therefore, the destruction of such a machine means more than significant losses of the enemy and the appearance of a breach in his air defense and aviation control system. Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhnyi also posted a message in regards to the downed A-50/IL-22M11. "The Air Force of Ukraine destroyed an enemy A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft and an enemy IL-22 airborne control center. I thank the Air Force for the perfectly planned and executed operation in the Azov Sea," he emphasized. Edited January 15 by SilentSam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, 5forFighting said: What? Russians can't live in other countries? Sure they can. I've had many Russian Canadian friends and coworkers. None of them wanted to turn Canada into a Russian oblast though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: Lots of them have been there for decades and many support Russia. I'd suggest you do a bit of research into how all those Russians got there and who helped them arrive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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5forFighting Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Yoshiyoshi said: That is just BS right there. They were very corrupt and then had a revolution in 2013? They have been working very hard to get rid of corruption especially since the start of the war. A major portion of the reason Russia is attacking them is because they are getting rid of the corruption that Russia is a big fan of. The same corruption which is why Russia is having so many internal troubles as a result of its war on Ukraine as well. What you are spouting here is straight up propaganda by Russia. This is what you believe is the cause of the war in Ukraine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: What? Russians can't live in other countries? Right now they should be vetted if they already have, they should again. The ones with nothing to hide will agree with it. The wall coming down , and the Budapest agreement gave them the free access to trade and travel throughout the world to discover it , and allow them to create alliances that helps the entire world. Putin and the RuZ that are loyal to him have taken advantage of that olive branch ,. Only to create turbulence through lies , propaganda, conflicts encouraging terrorism, and unrest in many countries so that they can steal or corrupt the Democratic free world. This is a War,. It effects the entire World. This is not a Military Operation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: This is what you believe is the cause of the war in Ukraine? what do you think it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, SilentSam said: what do you think it is? It was the agreements made in 1994 and 2008 and NATO closing in on letting Ukraine in. There's a little more nuance, but that's what it is. Big Z won't let his people have an election. Very Russian-esque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 10 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: It was the agreements made in 1994 and 2008 and NATO closing in on letting Ukraine in. There's a little more nuance, but that's what it is. Big Z won't let his people have an election. Very Russian-esque .. and Russian won’t fight for themselves for freedom from an authority regime . That is what the rest of the Free World did. I beleive Russians are good people .. but you have to fight for freedom and it’s values.. not coward . The only reason Putin sees NATO as a threat , is because he wants to be King, he has no idea how to trade fairly, the Rob’s, steals, and murders ,. That is the RuZ mentality after generations of brainwashing children and keeping propoganda alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yoshiyoshi Posted January 15 Popular Post Share Posted January 15 10 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: It was the agreements made in 1994 and 2008 and NATO closing in on letting Ukraine in. There's a little more nuance, but that's what it is. Big Z won't let his people have an election. Very Russian-esque Wow. I thought we killed that narrative back in 2022 on the old forum. NATO is a defensive alliance, if you dont plan on attacking anyone its not an issue. Furthermore, NATO doesnt recruit, countries need to apply and get the approval of all current members to join. The fact that countries closer to Russia want the security of being a part of it says all that matters on this subject. Postponing an election in the middle of a war is quite normal. Wasting resources and transitioning government while your country is in being invaded would be stupid if not outright treasonous. It is different for a country like America who isnt facing an invasion of its territory to do an election in the middle of a war, but like UK in the 1940s, Ukraine should not hold elections ideally until the war is over unless there is a significant showing of a lack of support for the current regime. Which judging by how strongly the Ukrainian people are fighting against Russia, is unlikely to be an issue for the immediate future. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: It was the agreements made in 1994 and 2008 and NATO closing in on letting Ukraine in. There's a little more nuance, but that's what it is. Big Z won't let his people have an election. Very Russian-esque The majority of the Ukrainian population agreed it best to wait till after the war to resume those. Don't wanna give the Russians any large crowds as missile targets. I think the Nato expansion misinfo has been debunked enough. Putins main goal is revanchist. Resurrecting the USSR or a superpower equivalent to that of old imperial russia. Of which Ukraine was a part of. Ironically Putin has been Nato's best recruiting sergeant. I'd never imagine in a million years the Finns and Swedes joining Nato before this. Edited January 15 by DSVII 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 33 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: It was the agreements made in 1994 and 2008 and NATO closing in on letting Ukraine in. There's a little more nuance, but that's what it is. Big Z won't let his people have an election. Very Russian-esque It might be just as simple as the fact that Ukrainians do not want to part of BRIC and Instead want to part of the EU. Neither do they wish to be whatever the Soviet Bloc is called now and would rather be part of NATO. Their choice really though Russia would like to remove that choice. Elections are coming to Ukraine. Many things have been delayed a bit while they deal with an illegal and violent invasion. BTW - 'Very Russian-esque' is an odd turn of phrase given your last few posts. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, 5forFighting said: Ukraine is made up of a LOT of Russian people, which ones leave? Every single one that supports the war. I didn’t need to say that!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, 5forFighting said: Strange, every government in existence still negotiates with them. There are some sanctions, but deals are still getting made with them and Canada, USA etc. not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you are a troll either way. Sounds like you are trying to earn that bag of potatoes comrade 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, 5forFighting said: I don't think you can blow up their military without seriously harming innocent Russian citizens. PS: Canada could not blow up anyone's military. Be gone troll, people get forum sniped for this kind of nonsensical type garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, 5forFighting said: What? Russians can't live in other countries? Any Russian not willing to denounce their citizenship should be deported. Sounds like you are a fan of watching innocent people getting brutally mudered. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, 5forFighting said: PS: Canada could not blow up anyone's military. False. Canada usually ranks between 8-12th on most strength rankings. Hyperbole does not help you make a point, in fact, it weakens it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rook Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Gurn said: False. Canada usually ranks between 8-12th on most strength rankings. Hyperbole does not help you make a point, in fact, it weakens it. He’s grasping at paper straws at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WeneedLumme Posted January 15 Popular Post Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, 5forFighting said: This is what you believe is the cause of the war in Ukraine? 54 minutes ago, 5forFighting said: It was the agreements made in 1994 and 2008 and NATO closing in on letting Ukraine in. There's a little more nuance, but that's what it is. Big Z won't let his people have an election. Very Russian-esque Yeah, right. Are you sure the fact that Ukraine had recently discovered and was in the process of developing, over a trillion $ in oil and gas assets had nothing to do with it? Keeping in mind that Russia, with 50% of government revenues coming from energy, would would be much wealthier if they owned those assets rather than needing to compete with them. And land access to Crimea along with absolute control of the Azov Sea had nothing to do with it either, right? No, I am sure that they were honestly afraid that they would be next on the long list of countries that NATO has invaded and taken over. 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Rook said: Be gone troll, people get forum sniped for this kind of nonsensical type garbage Forum sniped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Rook said: not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you are a troll either way. Sounds like you are trying to earn that bag of potatoes comrade Not sure the point you are making but countries have carved out ways to still import and export from Russia. No one is getting potatoes. All I am saying is you will never out war Russia, so you need to negotiate with both sides at the table. You going to lace up your boots (or send your sons or daughters) and go to war against Russia and it's allies if it escalates? How do you see it ending? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5forFighting Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Rook said: Every single one that supports the war. I didn’t need to say that!! They are not going to leave, many in Crimea have been there forever and wanted Russia to annex Crimea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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