Lemon Face Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The only things of value we gave up were Kuz, who was just hoping to keep getting sabotaged by Tocchet, and a later first. Would have liked if Cahlgary had retained so another top 6 winger could be added, but the cost was pretty low all things considered. King has spoken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said: I honestly don't get the people that talk about bringing him back. It's like Bear, that's for losers who are desperate to fill out their team. We must be able to set our sights higher than a rubbish pile can't we. We're the #1 team in the league, surely we can do better ... Myers is the absolute everything else failed play. I couldn't disagree more. Myers plays more mins than any D not named Hughes Hronek. He is is well respected by the coaching and the players in the room and a BC Okanagan resident. I would love to see Myers re signed 2m x 3 or 2.5 x 2. I get that 6m was a contract he never lived up to but he's far from rubbish. I think a lot of playoff teams around the league would jump at a deal for him 50% retained. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Jester13 said: What I like about how Allvin deals is that he makes hockey trades that are fair for both sides. Both teams can win a trade. He showed it with Bo, and he's shown it with Lindholm. And that's how you build trusting relationships in this league. Allvin has a bright future ahead of him and a mastermind as his boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 41 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Lafferty and Joshua have both also played C and can take draws if one of our mainstay C's gets kicked out of the dot. Miller kicked out, Suter takes it. Petey gets kicked out, Lindy takes it. Blueger gets kicked out, Joshua takes it. Aman gets kicked out, Lafferty takes it. Insane. I'd love to add Bjugstad to that list, bump Suter down to Aman's spot and Aman as spare 40 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: I don't know about that Lemon.. I love this trade. I think we underpaid. Brzustewicz is way over valued imo. Jurmo is a career minor leaguer with call up duty in NHL Kuzmenko was a cap dump.. Having said all that I don't think it's trolling if some of our fellow CFF members disagree and think we over paid. That's the whole point of being on this forum. Different opinions and perspectives on the team we all cheer for. Yeah, I've been arguing with people for months that he wasn't in the same tier as Lekk, Willander etc. Fun story but he profiles as a guy that's an AHL OFD all star or maybe a bottom 4, PP specialist guy at the NHL. Between that and the redundancy on our roster behind Hughes, Hronek and eventually Willander...IMO we sold high. 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: Mikheyev has spent a ton of time with Petey on his line this year. Garland has played with Blueger and Joshua all year. It's not even close in terms of the opportunity that Mik has had over Garland. "Opportunity" on a line while dragging the corpse of Kuzmenko...sure. Top 6 lines don't function with only one of the skill guys going. You need two skill guys and a complementary "mucker". 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: 1 goal doesn't mean anything. I think you need to accept that Garland is extremely dominant when it comes to driving a line. There's nothing that cam refute that unless we're just going off simple personal opinion. For about the hundredth time, nowhere did I refute that Garland is a good player. I've in fact endorsed it. For years. 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: Also, Garland isn't even on pace for a career year. He's done better than thus before with 19 goals and 52 points in 77 games. No but the other two are. 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: Just because a player plays on a so called 2nd line doesn't make him a bona-fide top 6 guy. Especially so when that line has been absolute garbage for months. He's a complementary top 6 guy, playing in the top 6. That makes him a top 6 guy. The line has been "garbage" due to said corpse. 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: Mik has 4 points in his last 16 games and 0 goals Who's he been playing with? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapshot said: Apparently Calgary wanted another 1st for them to include Tanev. Love Tan, but that was an absolute no-go. Absolutely, but hearing Salty Leaf fans groaning would of been fun. Lol. Edited February 1 by Rekker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 16 minutes ago, spook007 said: If they go for a winger, I think it'll be a rough and tumble winger... Yes. I said yesterday a winger who brings physicality and truculence and a bit if offense. Middle 6 type. And another depth RHD That would complete this team. We'll be ready and prepared for a deep run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 8 minutes ago, Rekker said: Don't mean to rag on you, your entitled to your thoughts fellow Nucker. But waiting to see how things turn out means little to me. I'm of the mindset of filling the big hole in the top six at a reasonable cost, hit the playoffs and win, or go down swinging. How the prospects turn out means nothing to me compared to going into the show shined and ready. No that's a valid point. I guess I don't see the hole as quite a big as most here do. Last I checked, we were top of the table.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'd love to add Bjugstad to that list, bump Suter down to Aman's spot and Aman as spare Another right-handed centreman? Stop it. You're making me randy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Hammertime said: I couldn't disagree more. Myers plays more mins than any D not named Hughes Hronek. He is is well respected by the coaching and the players in the room and a BC Okanagan resident. I would love to see Myers re signed 2m x 3 or 2.5 x 2. I get that 6m was a contract he never lived up to but he's far from rubbish. I think a lot of playoff teams around the league would jump at a deal for him 50% retained. Myers play that minutes because we dont have better player.Please dont talk about respecting Okanagan after they sell all tomatoes to US and we have to eat Mexican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: No that's a valid point. I guess I don't see the hole as quite a big as most here do. Last I checked, we were top of the table.... We are. But playoffs are a different animal. Win the first round and your in the final eight. You need depth to carry through. Goals against are everything and we just picked up a quality defensive right centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapshot Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 19 hours ago, Barn Burner said: I had a lot of faith in this management group, but they screwed the pooch on this deal. Way too much. The 1st will likely be very late, Brz was a overperforming 3rd rd pick....essentially found money and plays a style that would likely be redundant in our lineup if we assume Hughes and Hronek are here for the long haul, and Kuz had lost most of his value and was a free asset to begin with. And besides, the pro scouting of this management group so far has been top notch....So good that they somehow elevated this team from one of the worst in the league to one of the best in just one offseason. That's gotta be worth a bit of faith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hammertime said: I couldn't disagree more. Myers plays more mins than any D not named Hughes Hronek. He is is well respected by the coaching and the players in the room and a BC Okanagan resident. I would love to see Myers re signed 2m x 3 or 2.5 x 2. I get that 6m was a contract he never lived up to but he's far from rubbish. I think a lot of playoff teams around the league would jump at a deal for him 50% retained. Myers will likely get +/- $4m this summer. Rather bring Tanev home this summer (if the TDL isn't meant to be). Better D man, even better in the room than Myers. Between Zadorov, Soucy and Juulsen (and Hronek isn't big but no wilting flower either), we have enough beef. Could also bring Cole back on a cheaper deal as our 6th. Edited February 1 by aGENT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'd love to add Bjugstad to that list, bump Suter down to Aman's spot and Aman as spare Yeah, I've been arguing with people for months that he wasn't in the same tier as Lekk, Willander etc. Fun story but he profiles as a guy that's an AHL OFD all star or maybe a bottom 4, PP specialist guy at the NHL. Between that and the redundancy on our roster behind Hughes, Hronek and eventually Willander...IMO we sold high. "Opportunity" on a line while dragging the corpse of Kuzmenko...sure. Top 6 lines don't function with only one of the skill guys going. You need two skill guys and a complementary "mucker". For about the hundredth time, nowhere did I refute that Garland is a good player. I've in fact endorsed it. For years. No but the other two are. He's a complementary top 6 guy, playing in the top 6. That makes him a top 6 guy. The line has been "garbage" due to said corpse. Who's he been playing with? Mikheyev has played 365min with Petey this season. More than he has played with any other player. Unless Petey is the corpse you speak of, there's no excuse that he has 0 goals in 16 straight games and only 4 points to show for it. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t Petey - 365:25 Kuzmenko - 280:07 Hughes - 217:16 Hronek - 212:30 So 3 of the top 4 guys that Mikheyev has played most with this year are 3 of the top players on this team. What's the excuse? Here's Garland: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8478856 Joshua - 406:00 Blueger - 347:48 Cole - 219:52 Myers - 218:07 Your argument is completely false and is based on nothing but personal opinion. As I've stated, Garland is the superior player, costs only $200k more, and is way more qualified to be a top 6 forward than Mikheyev. It's not even close man. You're starting to look foolish arguing that Mikheyev is worth keeping more than Garland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Another right-handed centreman? Stop it. You're making me randy. Bjugstad, Miller, Boeser (L and R handed C's) Mik, Petey, Lindholm (L and R handed C's) Joshua, Blueger, Garland (2 lefty C's) Hoglander, Suter, Lafferty (L and R handed C's) Aman We might never lose another faceoff And then we've got insurance next year if Blueger moves on. Slide Bjug down to 3C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: Mikheyev has played 365min with Petey this season. More than he has played with any other player. Unless Petey is the corpse you speak of, there's no excuse that he has 0 goals in 16 straight games and only 4 points to show for it. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t Petey - 365:25 Kuzmenko - 280:07 Hughes - 217:16 Hronek - 212:30 So 3 of the top 4 guys that Mikheyev has played most with this year are 3 of the top players on this team. What's the excuse? Here's Garland: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8478856 Joshua - 406:00 Blueger - 347:48 Cole - 219:52 Myers - 218:07 Your argument is completely false and is based on nothing but personal opinion. As I've stated, Garland is the superior player, costs only $200k more, and is way more qualified to be a top 6 forward than Mikheyev. It's not even close man. You're starting to look foolish arguing that Mikheyev is worth keeping more than Garland. If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose to keep Gnarly every time. He's the epitome of Johnny Canucks hockey. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I think the only reason that Tanev wasn't a part of this trade was because we likely need a 3rd team to eat part of his contract so that we can make the numbers work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: Mikheyev has played 365min with Petey this season. More than he has played with any other player. Unless Petey is the corpse you speak of, there's no excuse that he has 0 goals in 16 straight games and only 4 points to show for it. https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&playerid=8481624&sit=5v5&stype=2&stdoi=oi&rate=&v=t Petey - 365:25 Kuzmenko - 280:07 Hughes - 217:16 Hronek - 212:30 So 3 of the top 4 guys that Mikheyev has played most with this year are 3 of the top players on this team. What's the excuse? Here's Garland: https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=t&playerid=8478856 Joshua - 406:00 Blueger - 347:48 Cole - 219:52 Myers - 218:07 Your argument is completely false and is based on nothing but personal opinion. As I've stated, Garland is the superior player, costs only $200k more, and is way more qualified to be a top 6 forward than Mikheyev. It's not even close man. You're starting to look foolish arguing that Mikheyev is worth keeping more than Garland. Those last 16 games, he's played almost entirely with Suter and the corpse of Kuz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, aGENT said: Bjugstad, Miller, Boeser (L and R handed C's) Mik, Petey, Lindholm (L and R handed C's) Joshua, Blueger, Garland (2 lefty C's) Hoglander, Suter, Lafferty (L and R handed C's) Aman We might never lose another faceoff And then we've got insurance next year if Blueger moves on. Slide Bjug down to 3C. JR/Allvin are masterful. They see a need and don't hesitate to fill it. The turnaround with this team is unreal. Can we even compare it to any other team in history? It might take a while to find another example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapshot said: The 1st will likely be very late, Brz was a overperforming 3rd rd pick....essentially found money and plays a style that would likely be redundant in our lineup if we assume Hughes and Hronek are here for the long haul, and Kuz had lost most of his value and was a free asset to begin with. And besides, the pro scouting of this management group so far has been top notch....So good that they somehow elevated this team from one of the worst in the league to one of the best in just one offseason. That's gotta be worth a bit of faith. I agree pro scouting has been excellent. But you, me, or anyone knows with absolute certainty that Brz is over performing, or won't become an elite offensive RD. Like I've said, let's hope Lindholm picks up his underwhelming game this year, contributes to winning us the cup, and signs a reasonable contract. Edit: Another thing regarding Brz being redundant... What if he became that good and there was no place for him with Hughes and Hronek? What would another team pay for that caliber of RD? Edited February 1 by Barn Burner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 47 minutes ago, PistolPete13 said: Spot on. Not only do did we get the needed 2c here, but our competition for the Cup failed to land EL to fill their same need for a 2c. Makes the road ahead that much smoother for the Canucks. Rags and their arrogant fans are just going to settle for less, once again. mmk, let me trying this, see if it works... -We need a big physical winger -We need a top 4 defensive D man And go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N7_Gyoza Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 14 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: Maybe if we trade for Tkachuk and Gaudreau... he may "refind" his mojo pretty quickly. I guess Petey,Miller or Brock will have to do *le sigh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 15 minutes ago, Jester13 said: What I like about how Allvin deals is that he makes hockey trades that are fair for both sides. Both teams can win a trade. He showed it with Bo, and he's shown it with Lindholm. Trader Jim did a lot of this too, hence his nickname You won't make many trades if you're always trying to win them outright 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Those last 16 games, he's played almost entirely with Suter and the corpse of Kuz. Doesn't change the fact that this season he still has less points than Garland, but yet he has played more minutes with the top guys on this team than Garland has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 15 minutes ago, Hammertime said: I couldn't disagree more. Myers plays more mins than any D not named Hughes Hronek. He is is well respected by the coaching and the players in the room and a BC Okanagan resident. I would love to see Myers re signed 2m x 3 or 2.5 x 2. I get that 6m was a contract he never lived up to but he's far from rubbish. I think a lot of playoff teams around the league would jump at a deal for him 50% retained. I think there's a good chance Myers comes back at 2-3.5M 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Trader Jim did a lot of this too, hence his nickname You won't make many trades if you're always trying to win them outright Just ask MIke Gillis ....sorry! Couldn't resist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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