canucks curse Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, IBatch said: We basically just added a Horvat back. Look at it that way. He is better than Horvat, and will be cheaper if we re-sign. He is an all star and has had selke talk around him for 5 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 26 minutes ago, canucks curse said: He is better than Horvat, and will be cheaper if we re-sign. He is an all star and has had selke talk around him for 5 years Won't get into better or worse. Horvat is actually earning his contract this year. Horvat's entire career minus first rookie one, and the bubble run (where he was very good, especially matching up against O'Reilly), he played on trash teams. Aside from Brocks rookie year, the next best player he got was Pearson. LE was on his line. Guy's a reliable 30 plus goal center. On pace for 36-38 again this year. Takes a ton of face offs, and was used by Green against other teams top lines. Know he gets picked on now, especially because of his passiveness (which I wasn't a fan of), I'm not sure we can outright say Lindholm is a better player. How would Horvat do in the same circumstances, and vice versa. Going to need to watch him. Was a Selke finalist...so expecting some good things. Two big seasons. The point I was making, is, we just got a "Horvat" back, as in our elite center depth. 3 30 plus goal scoring centers, has been a Unicorn in this league for a couple decades now. It's rare. Just to be clear, we got back our center depth. Pretty amazing really, the job they've managed. Tochett and the players especially for buying in. Expect Lindholm won't take long to adjust, he's too skilled not to get it. Edited February 1 by IBatch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 10 hours ago, KristoffWixenschon said: It looks like a big haul for Calgary right now, given that Lindholm is a UFA, but it's too early to tell. If Lindholm re-signs, if Hunter doesn't meet expectations, if Calgary flips Kuzmenko for a big haul, if Kuzmenko fits well with Huberdeau... too many unknowns to pick a trade winner quite yet. I wouldn't have made this trade for a UFA but I've been wrong many times. I was devastated when we moved on from prospects in the past, like Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Subban, even Nicklas Jensen. I was wrong then... I'm probably wrong now. If I was calgary id try to sell Kuzmenko with money retained to a top team for a decent package, unless Calgary thinks they can turn it around lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Woke up this morning, got to work, open Sportsnet app and saw this trade. I think this is a win-win trade, especially if Kuzmenko can loosen up and start scoring. Impressive move from Allvin. 1st rounder this year is going to be in the high 20s if not 32. Shows the boys he believes in them if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: tbh i would rather they given up raty karlsson any of the forwards or multiple forwards not named lekkerimaki instead of HB.. regardless let see how they fare in feb against the top tier teams. lindholm definitely make the canucks better especially defensively... personally i would have preferred a guentzel over lindholm if available.. outside of faceoff.. if lindholm is going to be playing with EP.. they pretty much redundant in defensive capability.. i would rather have a proven scorer and have 2 solid lines that can score with the 3rd line chipping in.. like Lindholm is great and a good 2 way forward.. well EP is already that and mikheyev is decent 2 way although lacking in offence.. unless they are planning on having the ep lindholm mikheyev as the shutdown line instead... coz this line defensively is lightyears ahead of the miller boeser and whoever line. so does that mean they are going to play against other teams top line instead of miller? and does that mean QH/Hronek going to primarily play with this line instead of the miller line now? and how would that affect the miller line production if they are not playing primarily with QH? it would make no sense if 3 of your best 2 way forwards is not matched up against other teams top line. The point is the Canucks retained all their top tier prospects and the bubble guys like Karlsson to provide depth and youth still coming up onto the roster over the coming years. Brzustewicz is not going to challenging for an NHL role for 3+ years. The team sold high on his monstrous OHL production. He very likely will be a productive defenseman as he rises up through the ranks but defense looks like a less certain aspect of his game. But to the point, he won't help while the Canucks open this window to challenge. When you try to upgrade the NHL roster, the players don't care about picks or longer term prospects. This management group has shown they are adding to the NHL product while still investing in younger players. A couple studs to develop. One area PA has shown a sill already is the European and college free agent market. They now have near half a dozen quality prospects through signings. Tolopilo, Sasson, Johansson, McDonaugh, Hirose, Aman, McWard and so on. Its an exciting time, nice having confidence in what is happening here. Very driven and focused. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 20 minutes ago, IBatch said: Won't get into better or worse. Horvat is actually earning his contract this year. Horvat's entire career minus first rookie one, and the bubble run (where he was very good, especially matching up against O'Reilly), he played on trash teams. Aside from Brocks rookie year, the next best player he got was Pearson. LE was on his line. Guy's a reliable 30 plus goal center. On pace for 36-38 again this year. Takes a ton of face offs, and was used by Green against other teams top lines. Know he gets picked on now, especially because of his passiveness (which I wasn't a fan of), I'm not sure we can outright say Lindholm is a better player. How would Horvat do in the same circumstances, and vice versa. Going to need to watch him. Was a Selke finalist...so expecting some good things. Two big seasons. The point I was making, is, we just got a "Horvat" back, as in our elite center depth. 3 30 plus goal scoring centers, has been a Unicorn in this league for a couple decades now. It's rare. Just to be clear, we got back our center depth. Pretty amazing really, the job they've managed. Tochett and the players especially for buying in. Expect Lindholm won't take long to adjust, he's too skilled not to get it. Lindholm is a much more complete player than Horfat Wallet. They are really not at all comparable. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 17 minutes ago, TNucks1 said: If I was calgary id try to sell Kuzmenko with money retained to a top team for a decent package, unless Calgary thinks they can turn it around lol Why would a top team want Kuzmenko? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Lafferty, Zadorov, Hronek, Lindholm and DeSmith all on the team because we had the picks/prospects needed to acquire them. Picks and prospects are just so valuable. Not some wild gamble that may or may not pay off for 5+ years as some people would have you believe. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Why would a top team want Kuzmenko? A middle of the pack team that's desperate for scoring might take a stab at him. Seattle? NYI? (lol) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Baratheon said: A middle of the pack team that's desperate for scoring might take a stab at him. Seattle? NYI? (lol) Kuz Missile on the Island would be great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph. Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 This is a great trade, for points mentioned by many of you already. Kuzmenko - Love the guy, wish him well, but we all know we needed more from that spot in the lineup. Hunter Brzustewics - Obviously scoring like a machine in the OHL. However, offence at that level is a crap shoot to translate down the road. Sold high, smart. Joni Jurmo - lol, pretty much officially bust territory 1st Rounder - Going to be a late pick, something about a bird in hand vs bushes? This was always an expected piece. Conditional 4th - shrug For: - A second line, near Selke level centre allowing maximum usage/configurations in our top 6. My favourite part? FO% 55.5 this season. Best C depth in the league. - We save 0.65M in cap space. Aids in acquiring more D depth closer to the deadline. - A future in tact - Willander, D-Petey, Lekker, Podz, Hoglander, Silovs, all our nearing high level prospects are still here. I don't think anyone can make a legitimate case against this trade. All these factors and at an absolutely critical time. Love how this management doesn't waste any time with bidding wars and just gets down to business. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Why would a top team want Kuzmenko? I personally think he's having an off year, might never be super good defensively but was improving I thought, who knows might start killing it, still rooting for the dude, doubt Flames make the playoffs, so would help them drop lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Oilers add Corey Perry… we add Lindholm. That is some serious escalation on our part! Like the Connery quote from The Untouchables. ”They pull a knife, you pull a gun. They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue…” 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, TNucks1 said: I personally think he's having an off year, might never be super good defensively but was improving I thought, who knows might start killing it, still rooting for the dude, doubt Flames make the playoffs, so would help them drop lol Kuz Missile is awesome. Will always cheer for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: My big concern is that Kuzy exploded last year and has half an "average" season with us - I wouldn't say bad. Maybe the fit was bad, but what does this message say to other players - if you have 40 average games, you're out? I get the need for the trade and Kuzmenko wasn't living up to his potential and cap and coaching style but it certainly leaves a sour taste in your mouth. Good trade to get what we need and the best available player out there but we just offered a boat-load and you know it's what Conroy wanted. Garland, Joshua, Boeser, Hoglander, etc were all given the same treatment as Kuzy, but they all responded and turned it around. Unfortunately, for Kuzy, he wasn't able to under this system, which is why he wasn't a good fit here. I hope, for his sake, he fits with the Lames' system and he is able to sign another good contract in his career, but we want cups, and his style of play is not one that will help us get one or more. Lindholm's is, though. 6 hours ago, iinatcc said: maybe but still it feels quite steep for a rental. Basically Canucks gave up more than what the Canucks were asking for JT Miller before his extension. 1st Round Pick Brzustewicz - My understanding is that he was starting to be become a A prospect Joni Jurmo - I guess he's a C Prospect 4th Round Pick Andrei Kuzmenko - maybe Flames just see him as a cap dump ? That's quite a package How will you feel when they re-sign Lindholm? 5 hours ago, awalk said: Keys to the deal for me: Lindholm plays center and wing, that's hugely valuable when you consider that JT and Petey also play both positions. Gives that top 6 a ton of flexibility. Kuzmenkos contract is off the books for next year. That 5mil in cap space could help tremendously. That 1st rounder is going to be in the 20s, likely 25-32 at this point. It's apparently a somewhat weak first round after the top 15. The Canucks finally picked an opportune time to trade their 1st. Willander and D Petey are still ours. Not just centre, but he's a right-handed centre. I can't stress enough how important this is for us. We didn't have a rhc before Lindy. He plays pk1, wins 55%FO, and was a Selke runner up two years ago. And he's right-handed(!) Allvin will not let Lindholm walk (we have easy options to make it work), so this trade is a homerun for us. Legit contenders for the next five years. We will be winning one cup minimum over the next five years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) I dunno how we're gonna make the cap work in the offseason with new deals for EP40, Zad, Hronek, Lindholm plus guys like Joshua etc.... BB6 next yr... the OEL dead cap coming.... I will say tho this is one scary team and this trade puts us in a whole new stratosphere. Cup or bust baby!!! LETS FkN GO!!! Edited February 1 by Bobby Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, Bobby Lou said: I dunno how we're gonna make the cap work in the offseason with new deals for EP40, Zad, Hronek, Lindholm plus guys like Joshua etc.... BB6 next yr... the OEL dead cap coming.... I will say tho this is one scary team and this trade puts us in a whole new stratosphere. Cup or bust baby!!! LETS FkN Go!!! Kuzy and the cap space we have right now is enough to get Lindy done. The cap increase will cover Petey. Let Cole walk and there's enough to up Hronek. If anyone else doesn't want to stick around and instead chase the bag, let them. Our big guys will all be locked in and we can promote Higs, Podz, Bains, etc. We don't have cap issues anymore. Allvin & Co are fucking ballers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McMahon Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I don’t know where Friedman gets his information but why the fk would we trade Zadorov. Dump Myers FFS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Jim McMahon said: I don’t know where Friedman gets his information but why the fk would we trade Zadorov. Dump Myers FFS. Maybe it’s Z to a club for picks/prospects and then we use those assets to get Tanev? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapshot Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Miller Petey Lindholm Blueger Suter Lafferty Aman That's some pretty nuts center depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Abroad Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 9 hours ago, fanofvan said: Let me guess, I must be a real riot at parties? I dunno, do you live in Van? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Allvin is ALLvIN. Edited February 1 by Jaimito 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 48MPHSlapshot Posted February 1 Popular Post Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Maybe it’s Z to a club for picks/prospects and then we use those assets to get Tanev? Would much rather keep Zad. Sure, he's a lefty and is somewhat prone to bone headed moves, but he provides an element to the roster that this team desperately needed. He's the toughest SOB this team has had in ages, and a giant to boot. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Another point about the timing of the trade is that Lindholm now gets a few full days to hang out with our elite players instead of just jumping into the line up with high expectations. He can chill for a few days and get to know JT, Petey, BB, Huggy, Demko, and Tocchet. He will be ready to rock for our first game back next Tuesday. This is awesome!! I wonder what else Jim has up his sleeve? Maybe Mik for a big tough winger for the playoffs? ..and a D as backup? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, IBatch said: We basically just added a Horvat back. Look at it that way. Except we have Hronek as well. Big difference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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