Jim McMahon Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 22 minutes ago, Northern_Nuck said: We’ve tried and the price is huge. Wallinder, Lekkermaki and 3-1sts apparently AND that’s if he’ll even waive. Oh god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McMahon Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 minutes ago, Northern_Nuck said: No. He’s been strongly suspected of not only being one of the 8, but one of the main 3. Yah F that dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old guy Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Johnny said: You’re all over the place dude take a breath Like a dog humping a football... 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Tusk said: If we dont re-sign any of the other UFAs eh? There's room, but there will be changes. I don't think Kuzmenko will be with the team by next season, and I think that's probably a good idea. I think we need someone who plays a different style taking up that cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronning4center Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said: I disagree with you whole heartedly. Bo is older, and was a pending free agent. Bo is better offensively, and Ek is far superior defensively. Joel signed until 2029 at a steal of a contract at 5.25 increases his value 10 fold. Horvat contract is the same cost as Ek AND Soucy. One of these options is clear far superior then the other. The fact that you would take Bo over Ek tells me you are vastly underrating Ek and aren't at all aware of the value he brings on the ice, not the massive advantage a team has having quality players on sweetheart deals. I appreciate that but first off. How good can Ek be. Fyi I watch a lot of hockey and know he's good. Let's forget his stat lines for a second which are no where near Bo Horvats. I'm not saying he's not good. Is he twice the return of a bo horvat ? Twice the player? Ummm no. The fact that he's performing to his 5 mill and change is nice. But it's not a massive over achievement. Where is he in scoring in the league? Love to have the guy but this isn't rick Nash in his prime as some of the proposed deals are suggesting. Thankfully our management won't massively over pay so it's moot. Edited January 23 by ronning4center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I’m still holding out hope that JR and PA can pitch Sidney Crosby on a cup window opening up for Vancouver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, ronning4center said: I appreciate that but first off. How good can Ek be. Fyi I watch a lot of hockey and know he's good. Let's forget his stat lines for a second which are no where near Bo Horvats. I'm not saying he's not good. Is he twice the return of a bo horvat ? Twice the player? Ummm no. The fact that he's performing to his 5 mill and change is nice. But it's not a massive over achievement. Where is he in scoring in the league? Love to have the guy but this isn't rick Nash in his prime as some of the proposed deals are suggesting. Thankfully our management won't massively over pay so it's moot. How good can he be? Very good. Not sure why you say forget the stat line and then ask where he is in scoring in the league. I don't even know how you can say he's no where near Horvat. He's only 6 points behind Horvat, while playing on a worse team. He's 2nd on his team in scoring, Horvat is 3rd. Ek is also ahead of Horvat at the same age offensively. He's far better then Horvat defensively, proven by being top 10, topping at 4th, in Selke votes the last 3 years in a row. Could a trade for Ek cost twice as much as Horvat, yeah, it very well could. Horvat value was roughly a 1st and a 2nd. If the Wild were to consider trading Ek, which I don't think they wouldn't do, they would definitely be looking for the value of multiple first round picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 25 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said: How good can he be? Very good. Not sure why you say forget the stat line and then ask where he is in scoring in the league. I don't even know how you can say he's no where near Horvat. He's only 6 points behind Horvat, while playing on a worse team. He's 2nd on his team in scoring, Horvat is 3rd. Ek is also ahead of Horvat at the same age offensively. He's far better then Horvat defensively, proven by being top 10, topping at 4th, in Selke votes the last 3 years in a row. Could a trade for Ek cost twice as much as Horvat, yeah, it very well could. Horvat value was roughly a 1st and a 2nd. If the Wild were to consider trading Ek, which I don't think they wouldn't do, they would definitely be looking for the value of multiple first round picks. Ek and Horvat have the same amount of goals right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien-Punch Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 What if we kept our forward lines and went after a guy like Michael Pazzetta. When injuries strike he can slot in and be a fight when needed. Pettersson Miller Boeser Mikheyev Suter Kuzemenko Joshua Blueger Garland Hoglander Aman Lafferty Pazzetta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Alflives said: Pinto! .........blows up?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 hours ago, Wiggums said: we'd have 7 bonafide D who would all need to play + Juulsen if we took Tanev on What part of ”with Soucy’s long term injury” was confusing to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Provost said: What part of ”with Soucy’s long term injury” was confusing to you? Uh haha woah... my bad...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2024 at 11:08 PM, Herberts Vasiljevs said: 2012: Game 7 OT winner in round one vs. Florida; Game 6 OT winner that sent the Devils to the Stanley Cup final. Yup. Yes, but a Roman Candle only explodes all at once and never again. In the 12 years since his singular blaze of glory in 2012, crickets. Four games, no points. Hardly a proven playoff performer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sativika Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Rypien-Punch said: What if we kept our forward lines and went after a guy like Michael Pazzetta. When injuries strike he can slot in and be a fight when needed. Pettersson Miller Boeser Mikheyev Suter Kuzemenko Joshua Blueger Garland Hoglander Aman Lafferty Pazzetta Isn't that a stuffed, deep fried pizza pocket that are so prevalent on the streets of Toronto? They're soooooo yummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, Curmudgeon said: Yes, but a Roman Candle only explodes all at once and never again. In the 12 years since his singular blaze of glory in 2012, crickets. Four games, no points. Hardly a proven playoff performer. What I don't like about acquiring Henrique is that it means losing one of Kuzmenko or Mikheyev. Seems like a lateral move to me. There's no way to fit him in without taking away from the lineup due to cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I'd love a versatile relatively young center who could play 2C or 3C, or even wing if we split the Lotto line. Monahan is relatively cheap cap-wise and would be a nice fit, Lindholm would be ideal but we'd have to give up 4M in cap space to acquire him which means losing Garland, Mikheyev or Kuzmenko for what could easily just be a rental. Garland and Mikheyev are primed for big playoffs, they're playoff-type guys, whereas Kuzmenko is the most likeable guy in the locker-room so you'd hate to trade him and mess with our great chemistry. We could flip Myers but he has been a solid 30-40 point, big +/-, 20 minute guy for us. I wonder if there's a big deal around Lindholm + Tanev for a winger (Garland, Mikheyev or Kuzmenko) + Myers...that'd throw a big spanner into the works for sure. My main current problem is that we're at the top of the league and to acquire any decent player, we'll have to give up someone on our roster to even the cap. How about this: TO CGY: Suter + 1st + decent defensive prospect (Brzuts) TO VAN: Lindholm (50% retained) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 22 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I'd love a versatile relatively young center who could play 2C or 3C, or even wing if we split the Lotto line. Monahan is relatively cheap cap-wise and would be a nice fit, Lindholm would be ideal but we'd have to give up 4M in cap space to acquire him which means losing Garland, Mikheyev or Kuzmenko for what could easily just be a rental. Garland and Mikheyev are primed for big playoffs, they're playoff-type guys, whereas Kuzmenko is the most likeable guy in the locker-room so you'd hate to trade him and mess with our great chemistry. We could flip Myers but he has been a solid 30-40 point, big +/-, 20 minute guy for us. I wonder if there's a big deal around Lindholm + Tanev for a winger (Garland, Mikheyev or Kuzmenko) + Myers...that'd throw a big spanner into the works for sure. My main current problem is that we're at the top of the league and to acquire any decent player, we'll have to give up someone on our roster to even the cap. How about this: TO CGY: Suter + 1st + decent defensive prospect (Brzuts) TO VAN: Lindholm (50% retained) I get where you are going, but trading centre depth for centre depth is not ideal (though I am not implying that Suter is comparable to Lindholm). IF we were making a trade like that and needed cap space, Kuzmenko would have to be going the other way. The only exception would be if we had an injury that we could LTIR into the playoffs like LVGK. Just looking at our players w/ suitable cap, he is the weakest link. IF we could resign him at a reasonable rate (unlikely), I'd do: Kuz + 1st ---> Lindholm (50% retained) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I'd love a versatile relatively young center who could play 2C or 3C, or even wing if we split the Lotto line. Monahan is relatively cheap cap-wise and would be a nice fit, Lindholm would be ideal but we'd have to give up 4M in cap space to acquire him which means losing Garland, Mikheyev or Kuzmenko for what could easily just be a rental. Garland and Mikheyev are primed for big playoffs, they're playoff-type guys, whereas Kuzmenko is the most likeable guy in the locker-room so you'd hate to trade him and mess with our great chemistry. We could flip Myers but he has been a solid 30-40 point, big +/-, 20 minute guy for us. I wonder if there's a big deal around Lindholm + Tanev for a winger (Garland, Mikheyev or Kuzmenko) + Myers...that'd throw a big spanner into the works for sure. My main current problem is that we're at the top of the league and to acquire any decent player, we'll have to give up someone on our roster to even the cap. How about this: TO CGY: Suter + 1st + decent defensive prospect (Brzuts) TO VAN: Lindholm (50% retained) I believe Calgary wants Hoglander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chickenspear Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: I believe Calgary wants Hoglander Well, Calgary can fuck off now. 1 1 3 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: Well, Calgary can fuck off now. yep, onto another team, unless Allvin can school Conroy, which I have no doubt he could 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 26 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: yep, onto another team, unless Allvin can school Conroy, which I have no doubt he could He did once already (see Zadorov trade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 We need a guy that is $1M or less to add to our lineup without taking anything significant away. Monahan from MTL @ 50% retained Novak from NAS Carcone from ARZ Sprong from DET @ 50% retained Any of these guys gives us depth and is an upgrade. I'm trying to get this message across to people. We are NOT upgrading Suter or Blueger, etc. We are upgrading from Aman's 2 goals and 6 points. If we acquire a centre, then great. Move Suter down to 4C and the new guy will be 2C (Monahan or Novak). If we acquire a winger, then great. I'd move Mikheyev down to the 4th line and use that line as a serious shut down / grind line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, HKSR said: We need a guy that is $1M or less to add to our lineup without taking anything significant away. Monahan from MTL @ 50% retained Novak from NAS Carcone from ARZ Sprong from DET @ 50% retained Any of these guys gives us depth and is an upgrade. I'm trying to get this message across to people. We are NOT upgrading Suter or Blueger, etc. We are upgrading from Aman's 2 goals and 6 points. If we acquire a centre, then great. Move Suter down to 4C and the new guy will be 2C (Monahan or Novak). If we acquire a winger, then great. I'd move Mikheyev down to the 4th line and use that line as a serious shut down / grind line. A little above your (arbitrary) cap limit but Bjugstad is a decent, RH'd C with size who's under contract this and next year at $2.1. He's an excellent target IMO. Even with theoretically adding him, I'd still consider a winger upgrade on Kuz personally. Gives you the option to either split or maintain the lotto line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: A little above your (arbitrary) cap limit but Bjugstad is a decent, RH'd C with size who's under contract this and next year at $2.1. He's an excellent target IMO. Even with theoretically adding him, I'd still consider a winger upgrade on Kuz personally. Gives you the option to either split or maintain the lotto line. My arbitrary cap limit has to do with how we currently have $332,500 in cap space + Linus Karlsson of 883,750 being able to be shuffled back to Abby = $1,216,250. So I'm just using $1M as the basis. Bjugstad would be great at 50% retained, but I don't know if ARZ would go for it. He's basically playing 1C in Schmaltz's absence. Kuz feels like he's about to break out. Looking confident again, and clearly has gained the confidence of Tocchet (to send him out with under 1min to go in the game yesterday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Nucker67 said: I believe Calgary wants Hoglander I would move Hogz in an EK trade or Crouse but not for a rental or older player 2 months ago I would have but looks like things are clicking for him now and he’s put it all together at the least he is the cheap garland replacement we need next year and at best a cheap top 6 impact player Kuzy 1 st Raty for Lindholm is pretty good they could always flip Kuzy for more to VAN Tanev Lindholm reyention to make it work to CGY kuzy Karlsson 2024 1st Raty/Klimovich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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