HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Garland offensive game is at a career low this year, but in the past years, he puts up more points than Mik. At the very least, keep the 3rd line together until after the playoffs. If they can move Mik for a return that could help the team acquire Tanev, then go for it. Yup, I trust our pro scouting to determine if this 3rd line is the real deal, or a flash in the pan. If they're the real deal, then $3M each for Blueger and Joshua, and Garland staying at $4.95M is worth the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darius Posted February 1 Popular Post Share Posted February 1 Just now, Coconuts said: Don't have to, we can agree to disagree. Lindholm brings defensive chops Horvat lacked, and he will be the best center available. We've seen UFA's be overpaid time and time again, I don't see why Lindholm would be any different. Washington is the first team that immediately comes to mind, they need a top center something fierce. This is a good point Colorado - a possible direct competitor in the playoffs- needs a center too....this move check mates them out of the best one available. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Don't have to, we can agree to disagree. Lindholm brings defensive chops Horvat lacked, and he will be the best center available. We've seen UFA's be overpaid time and time again, I don't see why Lindholm would be any different. Washington is the first team that immediately comes to mind, they need a top center something fierce. Totally see where you're coming from. I'll agree to disagree though, as I don't think in a cap world that GMs will just throw massive amounts of money with term for production that hasn't met that level in a couple years. If it was last year, I could see it... hence Lindholm's ask of $8M+. Lindholm at $8.5M to $9M will just be an anchor in a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Tanev was part of the trade talks, but the belief is that the Flames want a first for him and that's when Tanev talks broke down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Darius said: This is a good point Colorado - a possible direct competitor in the playoffs- needs a center too....this move check mates them out of the best one available. Lindholm would make a lot of sense for Colorado too if they could fit it capwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Tanev was part of the trade talks, but the belief is that the Flames want a first for him and that's when Tanev talks broke down Unlikely to happen then. Need to look at another defensive depth target. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: Yeah, I get it. There's a lot to like about him as a player, but as I've pointed out multiple times, he's a pending UFA and as such, I think we gave up too much for him. Really? He was always going to garner a first to start conversation. Minimum. Love Kuz, but with another year at 5.5, he has par value. Not a cap dump, but worth barely anything. Two long shot prospects and a very late first. For a legit defensive, righty, faceoff winner filling a position of need. Not sure what's not to like about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 This all makes complete sense when you look back at Rutherford drafting Lindholm in 2013 when he was with Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Another trade this actually kind of reminds me of is when O'Reilly was traded to St. Louis. It was O'Reilly going one way and everything else coming back. Buffalo's still benefitting from that trade; however, St. Louis did win the cup and got many years afterwards out of O'Reilly. Obviously, it's too early to tell how similar this trade could be but the initial similarities are there. Edited February 1 by The Lock 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Unlikely to happen then. Need to look at another defensive depth target. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being an Oiler, if the Flames will trade with the Canucks they'll trade with the Oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 17 minutes ago, HKSR said: Good... I don't wanna try and convince you too... the advanced stats are so overwhelming in favour of Garland it shouldn't even be a discussion. In terms of Lindholm's cost, as I mentioned earlier, when Horvat signed his extension, he was on pace for 50+ goals and 90+ points. Lindholm will be lucky to hit 25 goals and 65 points this year. That's a huge discrepancy between the 2. Lindholm will also be nearly 2 years older when he signs his extension. Similar age to Miller when he signed his, but Miller was coming off a 99 point season and got $8M. So Lindholm need to get 2 ppg to reach that number. If so Petey or Miller might get the Art Ross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Rekker said: Really? He was always going to garner a first to start conversation. Minimum. Love Kuz, but with another year at 5.5, he has par value. Not a cap dump, but worth barely anything. Two long shot prospects and a very late first. For a legit defensive, righty, faceoff winner filling a position of need. Not sure what's not to like about it. The fact that he likely walks in half a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Coconuts said: I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being an Oiler, if the Flames will trade with the Canucks they'll trade with the Oil Sure hope not. The Oilers would actually have a legitimate defender then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, HKSR said: Sure hope not. The Oilers would actually have a legitimate defender then.... Ekholm is pretty good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: The fact that he likely walks in half a year? We dropped Kuzy’s cap this and next year and got a player that levels us up for a Cup run. So yeah, if he does walk, so be it How we did this with a 32OA pick and a 3/4 prospect is beyond me. Kuzy was either benched or scratched a lot of the games and the whole NHL knew it. Edited February 1 by Grandmaster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, LillStrimma said: So Lindholm need to get 2 ppg to reach that number. If so Petey or Miller might get the Art Ross. That's what I feel anyways. Could some nut job GM give Lindholm an offer in the $8M to $9M range? Sure... weirder things have happened. Would Lindholm ever live up to that contract? No chance. Don't forget, it's unlikely Lindholm wants to go to a bottom feeder (which are the teams with cap space)... so that means a contender will likely need to move money out to fit him in. THEN they gotta overpay for his contract demands on top of that. Huge price to pay IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Grandmaster said: We dropped Kuzy’s cap this and next year and got a player that levels up for a Cup run. So yeah, if he does walk, so be it So, if we fail to win a Cup, do you think that will have been a good deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 12 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I think there's a good chance only one member of that third line is a Canuck next season. The cost of success is players getting paid, Joshua and Blueger will get some pretty sizeable raises imo. Joshua makes less than 1M, he could probably get 3 if he keeps it up. Blueger should get close to that too (about a 1M raise), both could potentially get more if teams want to pony up. Ya, and an extended playoff run with some performance by them there likely inflates their value even further. I doubt they are back. The good thing is, there are always players available for the bottom end of your lineup on efficient short term deals. With centre depth and Suter being able to anchor a 3rd line, you should be able to build around that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: The fact that he likely walks in half a year? I think it's more likely we re-sign him. We have so many options for letting guys walk and upping our big guns in Petey, Hronek, and Lindholm. We can fill role players with Podz, Bains, Raty, etc. and have the luxury of insulating them to start, since our core depth is so insane now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, RupertKBD said: The fact that he likely walks in half a year? Yip, that's a rental for you. The Canucks are now a way more complete team going into playoffs. That's the cost. If you don't believe in giving up assets for a quality upgrade to make the team stronger, probably shouldn't be impressed with keeping our pending free agents either because that is one of the same. Loosing assets for half a seasons play is like paying assets for half a seasons played. Both a loss of assets for betterment of a possible playoff run. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, HKSR said: That's what I feel anyways. Could some nut job GM give Lindholm an offer in the $8M to $9M range? Sure... weirder things have happened. Would Lindholm ever live up to that contract? No chance. Don't forget, it's unlikely Lindholm wants to go to a bottom feeder (which are the teams with cap space)... so that means a contender will likely need to move money out to fit him in. THEN they gotta overpay for his contract demands on top of that. Huge price to pay IMO. If there was a move that might get Petey and Lindy to make a more team friendly deal it was this. So I hope they do just that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: According to CAP Friendly, his Cap hit is 4,850,000 Right yes. Not sure how I made that mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rekker Posted February 1 Popular Post Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: So, if we fail to win a Cup, do you think that will have been a good deal? It's for a better chance to win a cup, not sure why that's difficult for some to see. Only one team wins but when your this good going in, you go for it. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, RupertKBD said: So, if we fail to win a Cup, do you think that will have been a good deal? Yes because it gave this team the best chance possible to win a Cup. The Cup is never guaranteed. A lot of things need to go right even when on paper, the team looks unbeatable. Ask the Bruins about that. The loss of assets: Kuzmenko - CLEARLY in the doghouse with the coach, and seemingly couldn't break out of it. At 27 years old, unlikely that would change. Hunter B - as I mentioned in another post, he's likely closer to a late 1st rounder or maybe even 2nd rounder in terms of value (I can explain more if you need me to). 1st - a late 1st. Jurmo and a 4th are throw ins. They don't move the needle at all. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) Steep price. Too bad they couldn't have got a package deal that included Tanev. Now THAT would have been a blockbuster. But I love that JR and Allvin struck early. Got er done. Edited February 1 by kilgore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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