Screw Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 56 minutes ago, Canuck You said: LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted February 2 Popular Post Share Posted February 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WHL rocks said: I don't think some Canucks fans not liking this trade have realized yet what Lindholm does to this team.. This team has a dominant lineup with this addition. It's absolutely amazing to have this level of player added to an already star studded team. The C depth of Miller Pettersson Lindholm is something to druel over. This player makes the PK PP 5on5 better. He provides so many options for the lineup. He's a legit top tier 2C Selke level player. Playing with a puck possession and elite guy like Pettersson, Lindholm will put up a ton of goals. He gets to the soft areas and has a great shot. I cant wait for All Star break to end and watch a few games with him added to lineup. Absolutely amazing that we got this guy.. I posted about Lindholm on CDC a couple of years ago talking about how great a two way player he is.. loved this player for a long time. Tremendous trade for the Canucks Yup. 100%. I'm pretty sure the ones that don't like this trade have never watched Lindholm play. He is an elite defensive player, even better than Petey, and can score 40 goals when playing when elite linemates. He is also one of the best faceoff guys in the entire NHL. JR said they will be playing Petey and Lindholm together to form a formidable second line, which will probably be our top line IMO. Lindholm is literally jizzing in his pants right now with the thought of playing with Petey. We are easily the cup favourites with Lindholm in the lineup. McDavid probably cried all night when he heard about the trade... Edited February 2 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: They literally have the exact amount of points, so how does Garland provide more value? Mikheyev also kills penalties and is 100% playing in the top 6. Tocchet has never played Mikheyev on the 4th line. Can you show me how many guys in the NHL are playing on the 3rd line and make $5 million a year? Mik doesn't kill penalties. He's dead last on our team in mins 4v5. Edited February 2 by Hammertime 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 36 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Im just sort of looking at the whole price for the 3 coming in at 30 mil. Maybe Lindholm is a bit less, Petey a bit higher. But compared to what other teams are paying for their C talent, its not too bad imo. Agreed on the overall prices balanced amongst them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 52 minutes ago, Strawbone said: I gotta admit, I'm going to be low-key cheering the Flames on while Kuzy is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Crossbar Posted February 2 Popular Post Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I'm pretty sure the ones that don't like this trade have never watched Lindholm play. Hronek trade 2.0 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 37 minutes ago, Guntrix said: Jesus Christ. This is way, way, way too much. Kuzmenko, a 1st, AND Brzustewicz for a potential rental? Brzustewicz hurts the most for me. The guy is putting up absolute elite numbers for a D. Still maintain he's more valuable than Willander. Brz is the hardest part for sure. Wish him success but never against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 19 minutes ago, Ribs said: damn I guess that's a thing I'll have to do Kuzy and Bruce are gone. And we aren't tanking any more. So, we should replace all 3 with something for Miller and Demko and then a Giraffe for fun... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted February 2 Popular Post Share Posted February 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Mik doesn't kill penalties. He's dead last on our team in mins 4v5. That's cause he wasn't killing penalties at all after coming back from injury. But the last month and a half he's been killing penalties pretty often. Upwards of 2 minutes of shorthanded ice time per game. Edit: looking at it, most of his recent PK time came in the last 3-4 weeks. But still, I think they're leaning on him more now, but we'll see if that trend continues after adding Lindholm. Edited February 2 by JeremyCuddles 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Kuzy and Bruce are gone. And we aren't tanking any more. So, we should replace all 3 with something for Miller and Demko and then a Giraffe for fun... There should be a bieksa Superman punch emoji. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Mik doesn't kill penalties. He's dead last on our team in mins 4v5. False. He's one of our 6 PKer's. He didn't kill penalties much at the beginning of the year as he was still recovering. But he has played almost 33 minutes in penalty killing over the last 2 months. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said: Brz is the hardest part for sure. Wish him success but never against us. No need to worry. Very doubtful Bruz is an NHLer anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 45 minutes ago, Guntrix said: Jesus Christ. This is way, way, way too much. Kuzmenko, a 1st, AND Brzustewicz for a potential rental? Brzustewicz hurts the most for me. The guy is putting up absolute elite numbers for a D. Still maintain he's more valuable than Willander. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 18 minutes ago, Hammertime said: I'm sorry but no. MGMT has really done well in many regards. It's been a pleasure to see them completely drown out the noise of this city and execute their gameplan. At times ruthlessly. No GM is going to batt 100%. At the time of the signing he ticked all the boxes size speed used on the PK. The toronto media koolaid was strong. When we signed Mik he was the guy who helped us land Kuzz and in the end could have been the Mikael Samuelsson of that line and made it dangerous. He hasn't been. He has been sort of a winger version of Brandon Sutter good enough to not stand out but not displaying any competitive edge. Just kinda there. You do realize he blew out his knee last year right? He played on one leg last year. This year he was still recovering up until Christmas. It takes over one year to recover from a torn ACL. Even Pavel Bure was not the same for over a year after he tore his ACL. I don't think Bure fully recovered until after 2 years actually... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WHL rocks Posted February 2 Popular Post Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yup. 100%. I'm pretty sure the ones that don't like this trade have never watched Lindholm play. He is an elite defensive player, even better than Petey, and can score 40 goals when playing when elite linemates. He is also one of the best faceoff guys in the entire NHL. JR said they will be playing Petey and Lindholm together to form a formidable second line, which will probably be our top line IMO. Lindholm is literally jizzing in his pants right now with the thought of playing with Petey. We are easily the cup favourites with Lindholm in the lineup. McDavid probably cried all night when he heard about the trade... This is what Darryl Sutter said about him “He’s one of the best all-around centremen in the NHL,” Sutter said to The Athletic. “I’ve coached some good ones but he’s as close to a (Anze) Kopitar-type player as there is. A top two-way game. He plays a great possession game — he’s like a quarterback.” 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, Bobby Lou said: I guess I should have kept it even lower-key and not posted anything lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HKSR Posted February 2 Popular Post Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yeah, I'm not sure why you guys keep going back and forth. Mikheyev plays in the top 6, Garland does not. Tocchet tried to play Garland in the top 6 but it doesn't work because he hogs the puck which doesn't work if you are playing with Miller or Petey. He is very good on the 3rd line, I have no problem with him on there. But he is not cost efficient at $5 million. If Garland was getting paid $3 million he would be fine as a long term fit on the 3rd line. Blueger has also been playing great, but Suter was our 3rd line centre before he got injured and I think Suter can easily replace Blueger on that line as well, which is why I don't think we are going to re-sign Blueger who is having a career year and probably wants $3 million. FYI, Blueger was not even a roster player for Vegas last season, he was an extra in the playoffs. As for Mikheyev, he is more valuable than Garland because he can do much more at a cheaper price. Tocchet is playing him in the top 6, however he can also play on the 3rd or even 4th line. He plays the 2nd unit PP and he is also one of our 6 PK'ers. So he does alot more and is over $1 million cheaper. Eventually, we will phase Mikheyev out as guys like Podkolzin and Lekkerimaki come on the team, but he is fine for the next 2 years. Bottom line, is that we will not be able to afford all of our UFA's this summer, so JR/PA will be prioritizing. I think the first priority will be Lindholm, especially considering the price we paid for him, then Joshua, then Zadorov, then DeSmith. I think those are the 4 key guys we want back to make another run. Blueger, Lafferty, Cole and Myers are luxury items that we may not be able to afford and may have to replace with other UFA's. 100% Podkolzin will be on the team, so he will take up a roster spot. Also, if Allvin wants to re-sign those 4 guys, then he 100% needs to make a trade. I think Garland would be at the top of the list. One year ago we were trying to trade him with a sweetener attached. This summer we can probably get an asset back. Best to trade high on Garland. I think either Hoglander or Podkolzin will be the ones replacing him at a fraction of the cost... 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: Exactly this: Lines are labelled, but in reality, I look at production. If the Garland line is legit, then we are looking at 3 guys putting up 40 to 50 points a piece. That's 120 to 150 points. I put that in the $12M to $15M range in terms of cost (based on the going rate of a forward that puts up those kinda numbers). Garland at $5M Blueger at $3M Joshua at $3M Total is $11M, but we are getting 120 to 150 points out of them. THAT is value in a lineup. You'll find it all over the media outlets that this line is greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, VALUE. That's how you win Cups. As you can see above from Money Puck, take Garland out and this line immediately drops in puck possession and xGF%. That tells me a lot about how valuable Garland is. Not to mention how he's 1st in nearly every single advanced metric for this Canucks team. We just need to get away from calling this a 3rd line and maybe then people will give them the respect they deserve. It's a 2B Line, and in fact probably the 2A Line as of late. Anyways, I can guarantee you that Garland won't be traded. If there is any analytics person in management, there's no way that Garland will be moved ahead of Mikheyev. Mikheyev SHOULD be in the bottom 6 based on what he does and how he produces. Thing is, the only spot for him is on the 4th line since our so-called 3rd line has immense chemistry. People are so quick to forget how terrible our bottom 6 was before this Garland line found chemistry. Let's go there again and trade away the engine that drives it all. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Mik, Petey, Lind will be our 2nd line. Garland is on our 3rd line. It's even the main reason we were given for being unable to trade him last summer. A lot of teams view him as a 3rd liner on a contender (though IMO he can play a complementary role to a bigger, 2 way 2C and/or on a lesser team). Your small sample size doesn't change that. Coming off knee surgery, dragging dead weight, in a small sample size.....sure. We're talking next year's roster, with a recovered Mikheyev. Again, complementary, both special teams, affordable top 6 player vs expensive, play driving 5v5 3rd line player. When did we pickup Kole Lind? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: You do realize he blew out his knee last year right? He played on one leg last year. This year he was still recovering up until Christmas. It takes over one year to recover from a torn ACL. Even Pavel Bure was not the same for over a year after he tore his ACL. I don't think Bure fully recovered until after 2 years actually... When has Mikheyev not been recovering from an injury his entire career? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: 8 mil - Miller 9 mil - Lindholm 11 mil - Petey I mean thats not bad for that level of C talent. Anyone know why we felt the need to acquire another Top 6 Centermen? I mean, we just got rid of a top 6 winger, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Strawbone said: I gotta admit, I'm going to be low-key cheering the Flames on while Kuzy is there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: They literally have the exact amount of points, so how does Garland provide more value? Mikheyev also kills penalties and is 100% playing in the top 6. Tocchet has never played Mikheyev on the 4th line. Can you show me how many guys in the NHL are playing on the 3rd line and make $5 million a year? Because he actually makes the players around him better. Joshua and Bluegers possession and xGF% numbers drop dramatically once Garland is off their line. Likely the difference between 40 point players and 25 point players for both of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Since PA seems to pull off miracles on a frequent basis. I would like to see one more top 6 PF one more RHD, he doesn’t even have to be second pairing, more cap space would be great too EP on a long reasonable contract and same with Hronek. While your at it can you recoup a higher first without subtracting anything from the roster. I am off next week, would be great if you could get it done before I go back to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Lines are labelled, but in reality, I look at production. If the Garland line is legit, then we are looking at 3 guys putting up 40 to 50 points a piece. That's 120 to 150 points. I put that in the $12M to $15M range in terms of cost (based on the going rate of a forward that puts up those kinda numbers). Garland at $5M Blueger at $3M Joshua at $3M Total is $11M, but we are getting 120 to 150 points out of them. THAT is value in a lineup. You'll find it all over the media outlets that this line is greater than the sum of its parts. In other words, VALUE. That's how you win Cups. As you can see above from Money Puck, take Garland out and this line immediately drops in puck possession and xGF%. That tells me a lot about how valuable Garland is. Not to mention how he's 1st in nearly every single advanced metric for this Canucks team. We just need to get away from calling this a 3rd line and maybe then people will give them the respect they deserve. It's a 2B Line, and in fact probably the 2A Line as of late. Anyways, I can guarantee you that Garland won't be traded. If there is any analytics person in management, there's no way that Garland will be moved ahead of Mikheyev. Mikheyev SHOULD be in the bottom 6 based on what he does and how he produces. Thing is, the only spot for him is on the 4th line since our so-called 3rd line has immense chemistry. People are so quick to forget how terrible our bottom 6 was before this Garland line found chemistry. Let's go there again and trade away the engine that drives it all. You'd have to be totally drunk as a GM and probably locked up if you are paying your 3rd line $11 million combined. Petey and Lindholm need around $19 million combined. You have Miller and Boeser at around $16 million after Boeser gets paid. So, I don't care how "productive" our 3rd line is, you simply cannot afford to pay them $11 million combined. Period. We have a cap. Top 6 guys get paid a certain amount, then the bottom 6. Show me one team in the NHL that is a contender that is paying their 3rd line $11 million combined. Just one team... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I just listened to a Sportsnet clip interviewing Tocchet on Lindholm, and Tocchet said he texted Matthew Tkachuk, asking what he thought of him. Does anyone else find it weird that our coach texts Matthew Tkachuk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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