Don Brodka Jr Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: People are really underestimating Lindholm’s value come playoff time. I think alot of people are going to be proven wrong and have egg on their face. Wishful thinking! I'm as hopeful as the next guy here but Lindholm is a bum! Giant bustaroo of a trade.. It happens. Not the first, won't be the last. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Blueger isn’t an elite 3C. He was even scratched last playoffs with Vegas. Blueger is an elite 4C, which is where he will be for the playoffs. We also needed a right shot centre. Kesler was a right shot. So was Linden. Yes, we paid a high price for a 3C. But Lindholm is an elite 3C. The best in the NHL as he’s really a 2C on a lot of teams. Sure, we could have traded for Nic Dowd. But Dowd is a massive downgrade on Lindholm. Also, Lindholm is effective on the PP. so he will show his value there as well. And he is an elite PK’er and one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL. People are really underestimating Lindholm’s value come playoff time. I think alot of people are going to be proven wrong and have egg on their face. sure but bluegar is a capable 3c. we don't need an "elite" 3c when we are struggling elsewhere that's not a priority.. the way our offence have struggled since the all star break.. the way our offence have been going for the last 2 months now.. it's almost game over if a team scores 3 against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: sure but bluegar is a capable 3c. we don't need an "elite" 3c when we are struggling elsewhere that's not a priority.. the way our offence have struggled since the all star break.. the way our offence have been going for the last 2 months now.. it's almost game over if a team scores 3 against us. The games will be much tighter in the playoffs. Blueger has never been an elite 3C. He’s not even really an elite 4C. He was the 5C with Vegas last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The games will be much tighter in the playoffs. Blueger has never been an elite 3C. He’s not even really an elite 4C. He was the 5C with Vegas last year. sure i don't disagree. but the plan wasn't for lindholm to be a 3c.. he was brought in to play in the top 6 except he couldn't that's the only reason why he's in the 3c spot bringing in square peg for round holes again and then putting him elsewhere coz it's backfiring. he's not playing 3c coz we have other top 6 out playing him and bumping him down.. if that was the case? no issue.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 On 4/2/2024 at 7:08 PM, N4ZZY said: missed an opportunity to get some value back for Kuzmenko, probably could've gotten some youth returning. The trade is looking worse by the day. Lindholm's productivity since being acquired hasn't been good. He hasn't performed offensively, but has been good defensively when he's healthy, and that's not looking great at the moment either. He may not even dress for the Canucks in the postseason. He’s on the 3rd line with Lafferty and Mikheyev. How is he going to perform offensively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Blueger isn’t an elite 3C. He was even scratched last playoffs with Vegas. Blueger is an elite 4C, which is where he will be for the playoffs. We also needed a right shot centre. Kesler was a right shot. So was Linden. Yes, we paid a high price for a 3C. But Lindholm is an elite 3C. The best in the NHL as he’s really a 2C on a lot of teams. Sure, we could have traded for Nic Dowd. But Dowd is a massive downgrade on Lindholm. Also, Lindholm is effective on the PP. so he will show his value there as well. And he is an elite PK’er and one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL. People are really underestimating Lindholm’s value come playoff time. I think alot of people are going to be proven wrong and have egg on their face. God, so we paid a 1st rounder for this? If he's an elite 3C, he has been badly miscast then. Even on a deep roster, he is floundering. (Granted, he sounds like he had been injured for some time and he was possibly used as a bargaining chip against Pettersson) For the sake of the Canucks, I sure as hell hope Lindholm proves to be worth it. If we don't win playoff games with a HEALTHY Lindholm, this trade is terrible and I don't know what else you'd need to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted April 4 Popular Post Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, PureQuickness said: God, so we paid a 1st rounder for this? If he's an elite 3C, he has been badly miscast then. Even on a deep roster, he is floundering. (Granted, he sounds like he had been injured for some time and he was possibly used as a bargaining chip against Pettersson) For the sake of the Canucks, I sure as hell hope Lindholm proves to be worth it. If we don't win playoff games with a HEALTHY Lindholm, this trade is terrible and I don't know what else you'd need to see this. We paid a 1st rounder to get rid of Kuzmenko's $5.5 million cap hit for next season. There is precedent to trade 1st rounders to dump contracts. Lindholm is an elite 3C who can also play as a 2C. He was also insurance in case we traded Petey. So giving up the 1st round pick was the cost of doing business for those reasons. A very late 1st was worth it IMO to take the gamble. As I already mentioned, Lindholm was acquired for the playoffs not the regular season. We will see how he plays then. He was obviously injured when he arrived. It's probably nothing major but just something that needs rest. More than likely Petey is injured right now as well. Once we clinch the division, hopefully he sits out a game or two as well... 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 hours ago, PureQuickness said: God, so we paid a 1st rounder for this? If he's an elite 3C, he has been badly miscast then. Even on a deep roster, he is floundering. (Granted, he sounds like he had been injured for some time and he was possibly used as a bargaining chip against Pettersson) For the sake of the Canucks, I sure as hell hope Lindholm proves to be worth it. If we don't win playoff games with a HEALTHY Lindholm, this trade is terrible and I don't know what else you'd need to see this. We didn’t pay anything for Lindholm. The cost to dumperoo Cruise Missile (clearing his contract for this season and next) was a first and a third. The two prospects aren’t NHL level guys. They are nothing. Considering these facts, what exactly did we actually pay for Lindholm? Absolutely nothing. He came free. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Alflives said: We didn’t pay anything for Lindholm. The cost to dumperoo Cruise Missile (clearing his contract for this season and next) was a first and a third. The two prospects aren’t NHL level guys. They are nothing. Considering these facts, what exactly did we actually pay for Lindholm? Absolutely nothing. He came free. How can you say the 2 prospects aren’t NHL level guys? Do you have a magic ball? So many players make it to the NHL that weren’t even drafted. I’m sure a lot of people that get paid to make assumptions must have said “oh that guy won’t make the NHL” only to have to eat their words after. Jurmo probably won’t make it but Hunter has skill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, CanuckMan said: How can you say the 2 prospects aren’t NHL level guys? Do you have a magic ball? So many players make it to the NHL that weren’t even drafted. I’m sure a lot of people that get paid to make assumptions must have said “oh that guy won’t make the NHL” only to have to eat their words after. Jurmo probably won’t make it but Hunter has skill. As a matter of fact … 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 13 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: that's a massive price to pay for a "3C" again the bluegar joshua garland line was doing fine and bluegar was doing fine in that "3C" role... why change something that is working? the garland line was basically dominating other team.. so they decide to add something to change it up? or they want to force either EP lindholm or miller to play wing? if that's the case then again should have gotten a winger instead of forcing players to play out of their position. sure we got lindholm for the "playoff" but if he's playing 3c 4c in the playoff.. that's a massive L.. coulda found an actual 3c 4c for much cheaper.. right now almost every all the lines ain't working because of all the tinkering exactly why change when everything was working fine just add another top 6 winger like Toffoli and give up just 1st or 2nd bad management and vision Edited April 4 by occ78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, Alflives said: As a matter of fact … how old are you? Adding these dumb pictures 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, occ78 said: how old are you? Adding these dumb pictures In Malmacian or Earth years? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, occ78 said: how old are you? Adding these dumb pictures Lol... Posted a day after you were called an 8 year old. No need to throw stones from a glass house. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, occ78 said: exactly why change when everything was working fine just add another top 6 winger like Toffoli and give up just 1st or 2nd bad management and vision I love when people who know next to nothing think they know better then the professionals. Reminds me of kids who think they know better then their parents, it's endearing. Edited April 4 by MeanSeanBean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 hours ago, occ78 said: exactly why change when everything was working fine None of the moves most management groups make in major sports are done arbitrarily. There's far too much at stake to make these decisions on a whim. 3 hours ago, occ78 said: just add another top 6 winger like Toffoli and give up just 1st or 2nd Just? Have you considered variables like what Toffoli was looking for? Where he envisioned playing? Realize that Toffoli and Pearson are very close friends and that how Pearson left Vancouver was less than ideal. Might have played into Tyler's choice. 3 hours ago, occ78 said: bad management and vision While you're obviously welcome to your opinion, as is anyone, passing judgment without having a full view of what transpired behind the scenes, might come across as reactionary and uninformed. I think Canucks management has done a very good job, methodically going after specific types of players that a solid team needs to be successful. Are they perfect? No. Nothing is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conscience Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, MeanSeanBean said: I love when people who know next to nothing think they know better then the professionals. Reminds me of kids who think they know better then their parents, it's endearing. Because no gms ever make a mistake or bad call right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 hours ago, Baratheon said: Lol... Posted a day after you were called an 8 year old. No need to throw stones from a glass house. Dumbass lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 18 minutes ago, Conscience said: Because no gms ever make a mistake or bad call right Holy massive leap, Batman. Mistakes happen. But calling it bad management or vision is ridiculous. The Lindholm trade was in no world bad vision, even if it hasn't worked out yet. Something not working out doesn't equate to a bad call. They are 2 completely separate things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: None of the moves most management groups make in major sports are done arbitrarily. There's far too much at stake to make these decisions on a whim. Just? Have you considered variables like what Toffoli was looking for? Where he envisioned playing? Realize that Toffoli and Pearson are very close friends and that how Pearson left Vancouver was less than ideal. Might have played into Tyler's choice. While you're obviously welcome to your opinion, as is anyone, passing judgment without having a full view of what transpired behind the scenes, might come across as reactionary and uninformed. I think Canucks management has done a very good job, methodically going after specific types of players that a solid team needs to be successful. Are they perfect? No. Nothing is. I don’t study nhlers personal life and relationships like you do Canucks had something going before the trade it’s best to leave the group as is instead of making moves like this and break that chemistry in this case, major overpayment Edited April 4 by occ78 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 minutes ago, occ78 said: I don’t study nhlers personal life and relationships like you do I don't study NHL players personal lives. This is well known information. It's what called getting your facts straight before writing something. 5 minutes ago, occ78 said: Canucks had something going before the trade it’s best to leave the group as is instead of making moves like this and break that chemistry in this case, major overpayment Simple take on a complex issue. You have little idea as to what precipitated that trade. Zero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 hours ago, occ78 said: exactly why change when everything was working fine just add another top 6 winger like Toffoli and give up just 1st or 2nd bad management and vision Are you just here to troll? Yes bad management lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 17 minutes ago, occ78 said: I don’t study nhlers personal life and relationships like you do Canucks had something going before the trade it’s best to leave the group as is instead of making moves like this and break that chemistry in this case, major overpayment So Kuzmenko is reason we dont play now like before.Or these 2 kids who never played for team.Or first round pick played better for us then Calgary?What you going to say if we win because of him?You going to say ,oh i eat crow.No integrity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I love Lindy and hope they resign the guy. He is quality and just hasn’t shown how good he is with Vancouver yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Screw said: I love Lindy and hope they resign the guy. He is quality and just hasn’t shown how good he is with Vancouver yet. So 1 x 1 as a show me deal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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