higgyfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: his production since 2022 has tanked, so has his defensive abilities. hes not an $8 million player I think the management waits to see how he performs in the playoffs. If he ups his game, they might sign him (but not even close to $8m). He just hasn't been the player the Canucks' were looking for (so far). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: So how do we view EL right now? 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: I have a feeling he tops out with a 2-4 year $5 ish million deal and I am wondering at that point if he is worth the term Still like him. Offense has been underwhelming but has significantly improved our faceoffs & added a reliable defensive player. In the middle of the ice he reads the play so well, I see why he was a complement to good players. Personally I'd like to see him get a run with Miller, I feel like that could be an ace matchup line & with the way Miller plays I feel like they could compliment each other offensively, which could help ignite Lindy's offense, plus they could swap C when needed. I do really wonder about his contract prospects now. If he's willing to take what you said I'd bring him back - that would fit well for us imo. But then again, good C's are so hard to come by I imagine some team would still be willing to go to 7-8M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/7/2024 at 11:53 AM, Rip The Mesh said: this is accurate of course, for how old JR is, he is always pretty on point. Lindy is a good add, defence wins championships and ducks have pretty good fire power already. Lindy needs to step it up if we wants a big pay day that's for sure, he is looking like a 5.5AAV player right now, a defensive 2C 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 12 minutes ago, canucks curse said: this is accurate of course, for how old JR is, he is always pretty on point. Lindy is a good add, defence wins championships and ducks have pretty good fire power already. Lindy needs to step it up if we wants a big pay day that's for sure, he is looking like a 5.5AAV player right now, a defensive 2C Yup; Love to see him pick it up going into the playoffs. Sometimes you can watch a game and barely hear his name. Starting a better track tomorrow, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I hope he picks it up because as it stands we lost a grade A prospect for a defensive 2c. Defensive centers are important so I understand the move but not at that price. If it truly is just adjusting and his offence comes later that's great. I'm ok with extending him as a faceoff specialist/defensive center at 6M, if he would take it. The trade is then worth it imo. Whether or not he takes that is another matter. His play this year doesn't warrant anything more imo... so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 His defense has been good, but honestly, 7 points in 18 games is not top 6 offensive output. Right now, he's playing like a solid 3C, which isn't bad in and of itself, but definitely hurts considering what we gave up to get him. At his current level, I'd say he might be worth $4-5M, but I imagine he wants a lot more than that. We'll see how he finishes the year and the playoffs, but I don't see us keeping him if he still thinks he's a top line centre. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, -AJ- said: His defense has been good, but honestly, 7 points in 18 games is not top 6 offensive output. Right now, he's playing like a solid 3C, which isn't bad in and of itself, but definitely hurts considering what we gave up to get him. At his current level, I'd say he might be worth $4-5M, but I imagine he wants a lot more than that. We'll see how he finishes the year and the playoffs, but I don't see us keeping him if he still thinks he's a top line centre. he's certainly playing like a 3C and being paid like one at the moment tho. For his salary he's doing fine and likely just going to improve heading into the playoffs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: he's certainly playing like a 3C and being paid like one at the moment tho. For his salary he's doing fine and likely just going to improve heading into the playoffs. This is true. I hate what we paid for him, but that's in the past. I just hope Allvin is willing to cut ties and not fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy if he demands too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, -AJ- said: This is true. I hate what we paid for him, but that's in the past. I just hope Allvin is willing to cut ties and not fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy if he demands too much. I think they were OK with the idea of him being just a rental. I'm fine with it, C depth is so critical to any kind of deep run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 22 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I think they were OK with the idea of him being just a rental. I'm fine with it, C depth is so critical to any kind of deep run. Agreed. It could work out well and he could stay. It could work out well and he could go. Either way, we also freed up the $5.5M of Kuzy money next year to fill the Pettersson, Hronek, and Joshua extensions at a cost of futures that will be determined over time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 20 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said: Agreed. It could work out well and he could stay. It could work out well and he could go. Either way, we also freed up the $5.5M of Kuzy money next year to fill the Pettersson, Hronek, and Joshua extensions at a cost of futures that will be determined over time. I did forget that we also have that Kuzmenko space for next year now too. A relevant piece of the picture. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, -AJ- said: I did forget that we also have that Kuzmenko space for next year now too. A relevant piece of the picture. moving 5.5 mil in cap, even just for one year, would bump up the cost from a 2nd to a late 1st in a deal like this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWestNuck Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 There was talk of him being a back up plan in case Petey didn’t sign, but that’s a moot point with Petey’s new contract so agreed, I think JR and PA are okay with walking if Lindy prices himself out of our budget. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 The man is playing on a top-5 team, getting solid minutes, and has a -5 and is scoring at a 30 point pace. That is rediculous. Blueger and Suter are better than him and they cost 1-2M. These claims that Lindholm is an 8M player are outrageous, he had one good season then dipped. Solid scouting of the Flames would have told us that he was a product of other player's success and that he doesn't drive the offensive play. Sure he's great defensively but that doesn't get you 7-8M when you're scoring 30 points in a season. A one-year cheap "show-me" deal is what he should be after wherever he plays next. I was saying 6M but at this rate he deserves 4-5M. The stats don't lie. There's far better 3Cs out there even in free agency who bring more to the table than Lindholm does right now. We're not talking about what he did 1-3 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexM94 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 58 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: The man is playing on a top-5 team, getting solid minutes, and has a -5 and is scoring at a 30 point pace. That is rediculous. Blueger and Suter are better than him and they cost 1-2M. These claims that Lindholm is an 8M player are outrageous, he had one good season then dipped. Solid scouting of the Flames would have told us that he was a product of other player's success and that he doesn't drive the offensive play. Sure he's great defensively but that doesn't get you 7-8M when you're scoring 30 points in a season. A one-year cheap "show-me" deal is what he should be after wherever he plays next. I was saying 6M but at this rate he deserves 4-5M. The stats don't lie. There's far better 3Cs out there even in free agency who bring more to the table than Lindholm does right now. We're not talking about what he did 1-3 years ago. I was and i'm still so upset that we chose Lindholm (who i didn't want) over Monohan (the player i wanted). since having joined their new teams : Lindholm : 19 GP 4g 3a 7Pts -5+/- Monahan : 18 GP 8g 3a 11Pts 0+/- No Monahan, no Tanev, no Toffoli... for Lindholm and still Suter in the top 6... what a mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farinush Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 assist in his last 11 games is atrocious no matter how you slice it. In the O-zone, I really can’t name one thing he does better than Blueger. He needs to ramp up his offense significantly because his output over this last stretch would be disappointing even for a 4C making league minimum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, farinush said: 1 assist in his last 11 games is atrocious no matter how you slice it. In the O-zone, I really can’t name one thing he does better than Blueger. He needs to ramp up his offense significantly because his output over this last stretch would be disappointing even for a 4C making league minimum. The only thing he really shines in is being a faceoff specialist and maybe a penalty killer. That's not an 8M player regardless of how you spin it. It's ridiculous because Eriksson for 6M played a "two way" game and it didn't make much of a dent on the team (yes, Eriksson wasn't a centre). I see the impact as the same with Lindholm. To be clear, Eriksson was a horrible signing after the fact, and I don't see how Lindholm is a 'better' comparison to him. Very invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 13 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: The only thing he really shines in is being a faceoff specialist and maybe a penalty killer. That's not an 8M player regardless of how you spin it. It's ridiculous because Eriksson for 6M played a "two way" game and it didn't make much of a dent on the team (yes, Eriksson wasn't a centre). I see the impact as the same with Lindholm. To be clear, Eriksson was a horrible signing after the fact, and I don't see how Lindholm is a 'better' comparison to him. Very invisible. His face-offs are a significant add over Eriksson, but so far, their offensive production is pretty similar. TBH, given the trend, I'd be wary of signing Lindholm to anything more than a two-year deal unless he's willing to sign for very cheap. His pace in Vancouver is 30 points in 82 games. That paired with strong defense and face-off ability is probably worth...maybe $3M? $3.5M? Sounds crazy for Lindholm, but take the name out of the equation and that seems reasonable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/15/2024 at 4:37 PM, NorthWestNuck said: There was talk of him being a back up plan in case Petey didn’t sign, but that’s a moot point with Petey’s new contract so agreed, I think JR and PA are okay with walking if Lindy prices himself out of our budget. That was a media invention. What the Lindholm deal was about was to show the team (reward them was Allvin's word) that management and ownership were serious about taking a run at the cup. I could put it this way: to prove to Petey that they want to build a winning team and induce him to sign in Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 PA got schooled this TDL, should have scouted better and waited for the rush and not overpay for the worst rental out there. We could have just about had Toffoli and Tanev for what we paid for Lindholm which is obsurd. My bigger concern is why we, a team full of stars, targetted another star? Top teams built well just need depth pieces. We just needed a depth scorer, not a 1C. Personally I wanted Monahan too, he's not flashy, gets his job done and very cheap. Instead we went all-out for the most overated player in the last few years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: PA got schooled this TDL, should have scouted better and waited for the rush and not overpay for the worst rental out there. We could have just about had Toffoli and Tanev for what we paid for Lindholm which is obsurd. My bigger concern is why we, a team full of stars, targetted another star? Top teams built well just need depth pieces. We just needed a depth scorer, not a 1C. Personally I wanted Monahan too, he's not flashy, gets his job done and very cheap. Instead we went all-out for the most overated player in the last few years. I've criticized PA in the past before praising him, but yes, I agree that he deserves SOME criticism for this trade. That being said, to be fair to PA, there was NO dispute at the time about Lindholm being a good player. There was also no way of knowing that he'd be this terrible offensively in our system. For that matter, maybe Monahan would've been a bust in our system too. There's no way of knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 whats going on in this thread? Loui PTSD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: I've criticized PA in the past before praising him, but yes, I agree that he deserves SOME criticism for this trade. That being said, to be fair to PA, there was NO dispute at the time about Lindholm being a good player. There was also no way of knowing that he'd be this terrible offensively in our system. For that matter, maybe Monahan would've been a bust in our system too. There's no way of knowing. Lindholm was trending down offensively this year in Calgary, so there were signs, but his past has shown that he tends to thrive with good players and he was excellent in both of Calgary's great seasons with good linemates, so there was reason to believe he would excel with the talent on our team. Hasn't worked out so far for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c00kies Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Lindholm needs to create more chances out there, but I feel he might have been pigeon-holed as a defensive centre, so he cheats defensively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Hope Lindholm finds chemistry with someone and has a good playoff performance. But I'm thinking he walks in UFA. I like his steady D-zone play and his skill on faceoffs, but he is for sure looking for $5 million minimum (likely way more) and term (it'll be his last big deal). I think the money and term just don't work for Van. Petey and Hughes are the main guys and Miller is our main experienced vet with lots of years left. I don't think we need another 30 year old signed for 5-7 years. Either we find another mid 20s top 6 forward in free agency to add to the group or some of our prospects start making a push to make the big club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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