[Rumour] - Phil the thrill linked to Canucks

[88Canuck]

12 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Friedman

Indeed! There are adjustments that can be made that are not devastating to this roster. Weirdly, people want to improve / upgrade the roster for the playoffs & hopefully a cup run, but don’t want to lose anything in the process. That’s not how it works. There’s a reason it’s called an upgrade…so subtracting a player shouldn’t be a loss, it should be a win.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, 88Canuck said:

Indeed! There are adjustments that can be made that are not devastating to this roster. Weirdly, people want to improve / upgrade the roster for the playoffs & hopefully a cup run, but don’t want to lose anything in the process. That’s not how it works. There’s a reason it’s called an upgrade…so subtracting a player shouldn’t be a loss, it should be a win.

 

Woo will go down now that zad is back and Friedman will have to go through waivers to go down when soucy is back.........I highly doubt he gets claimed, but if he does, it's not going affect the org much

[BC_Hawk]

7 hours ago, AnotherCanucksFan said:

That is the concern I have. People who say it won't cost us anything might be missing on the roster issue. Additionally if the Canucks do consider another player at trade deadline then they likely can't keep Kessel anyway.

IF Kessel signs with the Canucks, another team will not claim him if/when he gets sent down to open a space for Soucy or another acquisition. He is a 36 year old vet that has decided to sign with Van for the POs. We have seen numerous times over the years where this happens, and teams honor the vets desire. He probably just wouldn't report to whomever claimed him to be honest.

[BC_Hawk]

12 hours ago, tas said:

i truly don't think tocc will make exceptions when it comes to the staples of the team either. if phil can keep up with this extremely high energy system, no shortcuts, I'd be very surprised and very impressed. 

And I think he is truly just a depth piece in case of a significant injury in Top 6. The guy can score, and systems/schemes can be modified slightly to accommodate him for the duration of the injury. He is a plug and paly guy on PP1, and would not miss a beat playing 3rd line minutes.

[BC_Hawk]

10 hours ago, Strawbone said:

 

Making assumptions for sure, but the fact that he looks gassed when the drills are short and not at full pace doesn't seem like a good sign. Maybe he can get in to full game shape within a week or two, apparently he's a bit of a genetic freak in terms of fitness.

Guys been skating with the team for a day! He has almost a month to show what he has before TDL and 2 months before the POs. He played 82 games last year in a 3rd line role. I'm not concerned with his ability to get into shape only 1 year older.

[BC_Hawk]

7 hours ago, AnotherCanucksFan said:

That is the concern I have. People who say it won't cost us anything might be missing on the roster issue. Additionally if the Canucks do consider another player at trade deadline then they likely can't keep Kessel anyway.

I don't understand this thought process. As long as his cap hit is <1.25m, it can be buried in the minors until the POs. This is not a guy that needs to show that he can play at an NHL level (shot, stick handling, technical skating), just needs to get into game shape.

 

Its pretty simple; sign him when he is in shape before Soucy is back; move Mik down for a few games as he is unlikely to get claimed at his cap hit. After a few games, do the old flippero.

[Wiggums]

Would love to see him get 1000 here.  

[DeNiro]

I find it funny how people expected him to be flying around the ice after 10 months off.

 

First of all the coaches and trainers probably wouldn’t even allow that. That’s asking for a groin injury.

 

Think of that as his first informal skate in the summer. He’s probably at least a month away from participating in full NHL practice.

[Gawdzukes]

10 hours ago, Strawbone said:

 

Making assumptions for sure, but the fact that he looks gassed when the drills are short and not at full pace doesn't seem like a good sign. Maybe he can get in to full game shape within a week or two, apparently he's a bit of a genetic freak in terms of fitness.

 

He didn't look gassed to me at all. Maybe I've got the wrong video. I saw the one where he did a skate down the wing twice and peeled off while passing (wearing a grey jersey). If you can direct to me to the one you saw. 

 

10 hours ago, Strawbone said:

 

Putting Kessel in the top 6 at this stage feels kinda crazy... but that's where he belongs if he can still play. He's an offensive player and I don't see 4th line being a fit, and the 3rd line ain't changing. He just might find instant chemistry with Miller. Here's hoping! And I love the all-Sweden line, I hope that sticks.

 

It's not really crazy considering we are playing guys like Mik, PDG, and Hogs looking for fits already. Miller or whoever sure could use a player with equivalent skill to work with, I believe would be a considerable factor. He just needs to be able to keep up is the challenge.

[Bob Long]

19 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

He didn't look gassed to me at all. Maybe I've got the wrong video. I saw the one where he did a skate down the wing twice and peeled off while passing (wearing a grey jersey). If you can direct to me to the one you saw. 

 

 

It's not really crazy considering we are playing guys like Mik, PDG, and Hogs looking for fits already. Miller or whoever sure could use a player with equivalent skill to work with, I believe would be a considerable factor. He just needs to be able to keep up is the challenge.

 

Can we get a laser bp and heart rate to confirm?

[Gawdzukes]

24 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

He didn't look gassed to me at all. Maybe I've got the wrong video. I saw the one where he did a skate down the wing twice and peeled off while passing (wearing a grey jersey). If you can direct to me to the one you saw. 

 

 

It's not really crazy considering we are playing guys like Mik, PDG, and Hogs looking for fits already. Miller or whoever sure could use a player with equivalent skill to work with, I believe would be a considerable factor. He just needs to be able to keep up is the challenge.

 

@Strawbone I did see this one now

 

 

He is bending over and catching his breath a couple times but yeah I guess what does one expect when you're doing NHL type training for the first time in 10 months? We'll see in a couple days if he is still sucking wind or handling it. He seemed to be enjoying it though.

 

3 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Can we get a laser bp and heart rate to confirm?

 

Yes please, and a  ALT and AST, FBC, ECR, CRP, HBA1c, HDL/LDL, INR, PSA, and a TSH ... and yeah what the heck, also a phycological profile, a scale, and 24 hotdogs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

STAT !!!

[Bob Long]

Petey must be thrilled, now there's someone else's weight the media can focus on. 

[JayDangles]

On 2/13/2024 at 1:54 PM, canuck73_3 said:

https://www.markerzone.com/news/index.php?no=159404

 

Literally last season with Vegas, as I said fitness has never been an issue, he was top 3 in Fitness testing with the Leafs as well. 

Ill just leave this here

Phil Kessel Has Shaky First Skate With Abbotsford (msn.com)

 

[PhillipBlunt]

2 minutes ago, JayDangles said:

Ill just leave this here

Phil Kessel Has Shaky First Skate With Abbotsford (msn.com)

 

Must be another slow day at the Hockey News when they need to micro-analyze a player's skating at a practice. A player who is informally attending the practice, no less. 

Edited February 15 by PhillipBlunt

[Captain insano]

16 hours ago, Rekker said:

Parise as well?

I’m unaware of parises situation leading up to his contract.. all I know is your cardiovascular is the quickest thing to lose and the quickest thing to gain back, clearly sucking wind out there, once he gets that back his legs will get pushed harder and he will find his game shape quicker than people are staying on here (4-6 weeks) 

[ronning4center]

3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Must be another slow day at the Hockey News when they need to micro-analyze a player's skating at a practice. 

I think what your seeing is his deceptive stride.  The guy can wheel without seeming to.  8 seconds cherry picked video from a 1 hour practice.  Let's give the poor guy a week or two before we start heating up the pitch and naphtha.

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Must be another slow day at the Hockey News when they need to micro-analyze a player's skating at a practice. A player who is informally attending the practice, no less. 

 

Not to mention he'd obviously just finished a hard skating drill.  Clickbait, imo

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, ronning4center said:

I think what your seeing is his deceptive stride.  The guy can wheel without seeming to.  8 seconds cherry picked video from a 1 hour practice.  Let's give the poor guy a week or two before we start heating up the pitch and naphtha.

Exactly. I especially agree with the 8 seconds from a 1 hour practice. 

[Strawbone]

1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

@Strawbone I did see this one now

 

 

He is bending over and catching his breath a couple times but yeah I guess what does one expect when you're doing NHL type training for the first time in 10 months? We'll see in a couple days if he is still sucking wind or handling it. He seemed to be enjoying it though.

 

 

Yes please, and a  ALT and AST, FBC, ECR, CRP, HBA1c, HDL/LDL, INR, PSA, and a TSH ... and yeah what the heck, also a phycological profile, a scale, and 24 hotdogs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

STAT !!!

 

Yeah, I saw some smiles. I just thought if he was really serious, he could have replicated NHL-training-camp levels of skating practice at home for a few weeks before coming to Vancouver. It's not rocket science, it's just pushing yourself without having a coach directing you, and he surely has the resources to secure his own ice time and the experience of many training camps before this. Very early days though, I'm hopeful.

 

Also, the gear he's wearing doesn't help, and he's also beside the Sedins without gear who have always been really slim, so in comparison he looks rather portly!

 

Edited February 15 by Strawbone

[88Canuck]

Dhali with some facts, common sense & logic! Unlike Patterson with his short video and negativity / drama. 
 

 

[JeremyCuddles]

The guy looked so gassed. Even if we signed him. By the time he is game speed we'll be pushing playoffs. And if Vegas is anything to go by, we probably won't be using him the playoffs anyway. Outside of injuries. I am not against Kessel. It's just a weird situation where the upside isn't very high. Even if the downside isn't very low either. It just feels like a whatever move.

[GrammaInTheTub]

If Kessel wasn’t gassed after his first skate people would be complaining that his drive isn’t there anymore and he’s a floater hoping to be gifted a spot. 
 

Just can’t win. 
 

I would hope he’s out of breath after showing what he’s got and giving it his all to show he deserves a spot. 

[Bobby Lou]

Guy hasn't skated in a yr and obvs isn't here for a payday. I'll gladly take a vet who sees us and thinks of us as a top team to join late for a Cup run.

 

P.A and J.R said they wanted to change the culture and boy have they!!... We should count our lucky stars vets like Kessel see us and want to sign on the cheap. Certainly wouldn't have in the last decade that's cursed us with mortgaging our futures for nothing but mediocre squads that didn't even make the show.

 

I'm not saying this experiment will work but can we give the guy a few weeks to see if he's still able to get his body upto the challenge?  If anything he's gonna be great to have around our younger players given he can get upto game pace.

 

Obvs he looks gassed... he's 36 and hasn't played in a yr... Fuckin VanCity.. this is why we have a bad reputation league wide.

 

Thank God we have competent ppl running the organization now who block out outside noise like our horrible media and are proven to be capable of assessing talent and building solid teams...

[arsenalian]

19 hours ago, stawns said:

I do like DK on the pp, just not sure who he takes out there.  I guess Petey could take off Myers

 

Kessel or not, I think they need to balance the two pp's

Who is DK? Drawing a blank

[Gawdzukes]

3 hours ago, Strawbone said:

 

Yeah, I saw some smiles. I just thought if he was really serious, he could have replicated NHL-training-camp levels of skating practice at home for a few weeks before coming to Vancouver. It's not rocket science, it's just pushing yourself without having a coach directing you, and he surely has the resources to secure his own ice time and the experience of many training camps before this. Very early days though, I'm hopeful.

 

Also, the gear he's wearing doesn't help, and he's also beside the Sedins without gear who have always been really slim, so in comparison he looks rather portly!

 

 

Yeah he's actually always pulling up his pants, which is good, means he's too skinny.   I've played sports with lots of different people, some incredible athlete's just present as big bodied. I've never read much into the pictures like Kessel sitting in the dressing room. Doesn't really say much imo.

 

There is a big difference in getting into what you feel is good shape vs being directed by others to perform in practice. I get what you're saying but I expect he's going to be struggling a bit as he starts out no matter how good of shape he's in. Anyways, I'm hoping for the best. Sure would be great as I think the one thing we're short on is pure skill and upper end ability which Phil has in spades.