Kevlar Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I'm with coconuts with this. Why would you use assets to get a defenseman at a certain price and term when you can get another defenseman just by signing him (to probably the same (or a little higher) cap hit and term? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Anyone confused by this? Teams that are in the playoff hunt usually aren't sellers. Flyers have been sliding, they're also down Hart and rank towards the bottom of the league in terms of goals scored, shooting percentage, and powerplay They're a good defensive team but their firepower has been failing them With Hart they were maybe a dark horse out East, without him they'll probably continue to slide They beat the Panthers last game but they'd lost five in a row leading up to it Edited February 8 by Coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Kind of like Myers but worse. Some eye popping skills and size but just isn’t great at processing the game at the pace needs to. He has been on losing team after losing team, gotta wear on a guy. On our D I see him as a 7. Though with Tocchet’s preference for righties, maybe a 6. Not sure any D can handle Risto and Myers on the same D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 26 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Juulsen is 100% an NHL player. At minimum he is our #7 guy next season at a cap hit of only 775,000... Isn't he a UFA? His play this year will get him offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Just now, Boudrias said: Isn't he a UFA? His play this year will get him offers. Nope he is signed with us for next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 32 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: You must have picked the rose coloured lens jfresh card. Either way 5.1 million is insane for a 3rd pairing D. Seen a bunch of Philly fans saying they want two 1sts if they retain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Just now, Coryberg said: You must have picked the rose coloured lens jfresh card. Either way 5.1 million is insane for a 3rd pairing D. Seen a bunch of Philly fans saying they want two 1sts if they retain Sorry, I picked an outdated card. Here's the one from this year: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 59 minutes ago, DeNiro said: So we’re gonna rebuild the 2014-15 Sabres D that had them finish worst in the league?? (Ristolainen, Zadorov, Myers) to be fair. sabres main core pieces (Eichel(Vegas), Reinhart (Florida)) did face-off in the stanley cup final last year. Eichel(vegas), Reinhart (florida) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Miss Korea said: Sorry, I picked an outdated card. Here's the one from this year: Both of the ones you found are weighted amongst forwards, mine is defenceman... unless you are looking at him for the 4th line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 56 minutes ago, DeltaSwede said: I'd let the Leafs win this one.. Exactly. Give them this mulligan. He's the grit they need.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The WAR chart guy fumbled the charts twice. I don't know what to believe anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Brodka Jr Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 They had no business trading for him in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 29 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Flyers have been sliding, they're also down Hart and rank towards the bottom of the league in terms of goals scored, shooting percentage, and powerplay They're a good defensive team but their firepower has been failing them With Hart they were maybe a dark horse out East, without him they'll probably continue to slide They beat the Panthers last game but they'd lost five in a row leading up to it Thanks Coconuts. I didn't see the big picture, and forgot about Hart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Glad for him he steadied out as a solid 3rd pair guy. But if we take all this as true then no shot do I wanna pay a 1st or a even a 2nd for him at 25% retained. Maybe a 2nd a B- prospect for him at 40%-50% retained. Even then it could go sideways and we end up with dead weight. Torts is a hardass and is likely getting the best team defensive effort out of that group that a person can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 19 minutes ago, Coryberg said: Both of the ones you found are weighted amongst forwards, mine is defenceman... unless you are looking at him for the 4th line Its a typo on the Jfresh sheet for this year. you can see at the bottom its for defence. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 18 minutes ago, Coryberg said: Both of the ones you found are weighted amongst forwards, mine is defenceman... unless you are looking at him for the 4th line You do realize even in your graph his EV defence is around the 90th percentile? The numbers on the left are weighted over his past three years. The last two years he's completely bought into Tortorella's system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On the subject, big name and a great example of reinventing your game. I think this guy would be a tremendous asset to any team that acquires him. Huge upgrade for the Canucks on the right side. If they could swing some retention I could see this being a very productive move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 does he block shots with his face and bleed canucks colours? no? next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 22 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: You do realize even in your graph his EV defence is around the 90th percentile? The numbers on the left are weighted over his past three years. The last two years he's completely bought into Tortorella's system. Oh so he's only actually good in Tortorella's system. Not like we needed a reason to pass on a multi year 5.1 million dollar 3rd pairing D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 49 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: Sorry, I picked an outdated card. Here's the one from this year: Ok at say a retained cap hit of $3.5M for this kinda performance, and more coaching from Foote and Gonchar, we could find some solid value here. I can't see a trade happening at this TDL though. Would have to be an offseason move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 10 minutes ago, HKSR said: Ok at say a retained cap hit of $3.5M for this kinda performance, and more coaching from Foote and Gonchar, we could find some solid value here. I can't see a trade happening at this TDL though. Would have to be an offseason move. Almost certainly, it doesn't make any sense for the Canucks in-season With Myers, Cole, and Zadorov being pending UFA's there could be room I'm not advocating for it, but I don't necessarily see any of the aforementioned being sure bets to be Canucks next season I think Myers would be the most likely to give the Canucks a discount of sorts I could see Cole coming back for similar money, not sure he's in the longer term plans I could see Zadorov wanting more than the Canucks wanting to pay regarding cap hit, term, or both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Coryberg said: Oh so he's only actually good in Tortorella's system. Not like we needed a reason to pass on a multi year 5.1 million dollar 3rd pairing D. What??? Dude - he hit rock bottom because he was so weak defensively, until Torts whipped him into shape and he started to become a legitimate shutdown defenceman. Why are you dismissing what he's accomplished in Philly so far? The guy has worked his ass off to get back to where he is now. After being such a brutal defensive liability in Buffalo, he's carved out a nice little role as a solid 4/5th defensive D-man. Give the player some damn credit. I'm not saying whether he's a good fit here or not. He does earn a lot of money for what he brings to the table. But I'll say this - if you had to replace Myers with Risto, things would probably be just fine. Edited February 8 by Miss Korea 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I watched this guy for quite a while as a Buffalo fan. I like him more than most but he's just not a fit for us imo. Unless you move out Myers I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Are they willing to retain 1/2? Not even sure we'd want him at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Miss Korea said: Rasmus Ristolainen is a guy who was buyout material only a couple years ago. Since then he's worked his fucking socks off and he's now a pretty reliable defenceman. Full credit to him for not mailing it in after getting the bag. For sure. We've figured Myers out too but I just don't see the fit with Ristolainen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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