TUSK v2.0 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 46 minutes ago, Bob Long said: he's played 22 games this year. Don't forget, Joshua was also a major work in progress before this coaching staff got through to him. This is a huge point, MacEwan didnt have the coaching we have now. Even Woo coming up is an example of how we plan to win the playoffs. We need some size on the pressbox wait list. Zack has been on the side for Ottawa most of the year so of course his numbers suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 If he was good enough back then, he'd still be here. I like his toughness, but he's not an improvement that this team needs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 ZM is a useless player that is below replacement level. He does nothing positive on the ice at all. There is a reason that Ottawa is the 4th team in 4 years to offer him up to the league for nothing. Just because he may have had some upside when he got here at 22 does not mean that we have any use for him at 28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: This is a huge point, MacEwan didnt have the coaching we have now. Even Woo coming up is an example of how we plan to win the playoffs. We need some size on the pressbox wait list. Zack has been on the side for Ottawa most of the year so of course his numbers suck. We might need a poor man's Joshua next year. He's under great cost control too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 MacEwan would not even get in the lineup in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, The Arrogant Worms said: MacEwan would not even get in the lineup in the playoffs. He would against Boston, Philly, St. Louis, and probably even winterpeg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: He would against Boston, Philly, St. Louis, and probably even winterpeg. Not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, BCNate said: ZM is a useless player that is below replacement level. He does nothing positive on the ice at all. There is a reason that Ottawa is the 4th team in 4 years to offer him up to the league for nothing. Just because he may have had some upside when he got here at 22 does not mean that we have any use for him at 28. There was no room in the lineup in 2019-2020. here's his stats, and he was %50 on faceoffs too (on 4th line) 6 g and 1 a, for a guy playing less than 10m isnt bad. The following year he only got maybe 30 games? With our coaching staff now, some familiar faces in dressing room.... easy peasy. 2019-20 Vancouver Canucks 17 5 1 6 +6 20 0 0 0 0 9:37 0 0 17 29.4 50.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 43 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: This is a huge point, MacEwan didnt have the coaching we have now. Even Woo coming up is an example of how we plan to win the playoffs. We need some size on the pressbox wait list. Zack has been on the side for Ottawa most of the year so of course his numbers suck. Just because Joshua worked out, it doesn't mean MacEwan will work out the same way. He's hasn't been playing games because he hasn't been good enough and it's not like Ottawa should be a hard team to be able to get a job on. He's not playing and he's not on a stacked team. That should at the very least be a red flag. Meanwhile, we're in a season where we're all in. We don't have room for projects right now so long as we're all in. If this were another season where it doesn't look like we'd make the playoffs then I might be more on board with trying out MacEwen, but we're not. Finally, if this is how you feel about MacEwan, why not just wait for a better player on the 4th line be available? Why not get someone you know will improve that line rather than someone you have no idea if they will or not in MacEwan? It's not like 4th line roles are expensive to fill in the 1st place. Edited February 13 by The Lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 54 minutes ago, tas said: what does that make a guy who just got waived by the 28th place team? They are both borderline NHL’ers. So if I had to choose one to keep it would be MacEwen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: They are both borderline NHL’ers. So if I had to choose one to keep it would be MacEwen. If you want an upgrade on PDG, then go out and actually get an upgrade rather than a player who can't keep a job in the NHL. You shouldn't have just 2 players to choose from. You should be able to find better 4th liners around the league than both those players for cheap. Play it smart and don't just limit yourself to 2 choices. Edited February 13 by The Lock 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combover Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 I could see him fitting in with Tocc system hes big skates well and adds to the physicality Not sure he’d be an upgrade over anyone we have but he brings different elements. just because he hasn’t found a good fit doesn’t mean he won’t. He’d be worth a shot. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: They are both borderline NHL’ers. So if I had to choose one to keep it would be MacEwen. macewen wasn't good enough for the canucks years ago when they were terrible and he's not good enough for the sens now when they're terrible but you think that if he falls to the canucks, dead last on the waiver wire, 30 other teams saying "yuck, no thanks" -- that he'd be good enough for the canucks now, when they're the best team in the league? he's as bad at fighting as he is at hockey, too. Edited February 13 by tas 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, tas said: macewen wasn't good enough for the canucks years ago when they were terrible and he's not good enough for the sens now when they're terrible but you think that if he falls to the canucks, dead last on the waiver wire, 30 other teams saying "yuck, no thanks" -- that he'd be good enough for the canucks now, when they're the best team in the league? he's as bad at fighting as he is at hockey, too. PDG is in the press box. That’s where he will remain unless there is an injury. So I’d rather have MacEwen in the press box in case we need to activate him against some bigger teams. If it doesn’t work out he will be a nice addition to Abbotsford, as we lack toughness down there as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: PDG is in the press box. That’s where he will remain unless there is an injury. So I’d rather have MacEwen in the press box in case we need to activate him against some bigger teams. If it doesn’t work out he will be a nice addition to Abbotsford, as we lack toughness down there as well. to each their own I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 51 minutes ago, The Lock said: If you want an upgrade on PDG, then go out and actually get an upgrade rather than a player who can't keep a job in the NHL. You shouldn't have just 2 players to choose from. You should be able to find better 4th liners around the league than both those players for cheap. Play it smart and don't just limit yourself to 2 choices. We could certainly do that. However, that would cost us an asset. Not sure Allvin wants to do that. He blew most of his load on Lindholm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: We could certainly do that. However, that would cost us an asset. Not sure Allvin wants to do that. He blew most of his load on Lindholm. If we're not that desperate to the point where we don't want to spend an asset then it probably wasn't really an issue to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coryberg Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Those PDG stats are misleading. He started the year on the Miller line which inflated his stats. Since he’s been pushed back to the 4th line he’s only playing 7-8 minutes a night. A total of all his games would be the opposite of misleading. Misleading would be to discount his entire body of work and only focus on his last handful of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, Coryberg said: A total of all his games would be the opposite of misleading. Misleading would be to discount his entire body of work and only focus on his last handful of games. Remember where you are posting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, Coryberg said: A total of all his games would be the opposite of misleading. Misleading would be to discount his entire body of work and only focus on his last handful of games. PDG isn’t a top 6 forward any longer. He’s a 4th liner who is getting scratched. Which is how he should be looked at. Using his inflated stats because Tocchet used to have a thing for him is disingenuous. If PDG were put on waivers he would easily clear. Just like MacEwen. They are one and the same. I prefer MacEwen because he can actually play a physical game. I’m sure he’d do much better under Tocchet’s tutelage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 4 hours ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: I am ok with someone "snapping Aman up" because I dont think any other team would actually value Aman. He will safely land back with Baby Canucks. https://www.google.com/amp/s/canucksarmy.com/news/amp/talking-nils-aman-canucks-fourth-line-centre-nowhere His Corsi of 47.29% doesn’t stand out, and is pretty much at the Canucks’ team average. But the rest of the fancy stats suggest that Åman and his fourth line are doing an exceptional job of controlling the play when they’re out there. Åman is holding down a 54.92% expected goal rate while on the ice, fourth-best on the team behind the trio of Blueger, Conor Garland, and Dakota Joshua. He’s got a 56.82% control of higher-danger chances, again fourth on the team behind the whole third line. What more could one ask for from the fifth-or-sixth-best centre on the roster than doing a little better than breaking even? Don’t go thinking that this is all down to sheltered deployment, either. Åman faces slightly less-than-average competition, which is actually better than average for a 4C. And while Åman does start the majority of his shifts in the offensive zone, that’s as much due to his offensively-gifted linemates and the one notable flaw in his game: faceoffs. (Though on that front, Åman has seen major improvement, moving to a 47.6% win-rate in 2023/24 after going 38.2% as a rookie.) Speaking of those linemates, Åman has been having a demonstrably positive effect on Lafferty and Nils Höglander ever since coming together as a somewhat-consistent fourth line. Both Höglander and Lafferty see 6-12% jumps in their possession and control stats while out there with Åman, as compared to when they’ve been without him. Heck, we almost got this far without mentioning the shorthanded contributions! Åman is third amongst Canucks forwards in average PK time, behind just Blueger and Joshua. Any PK time out of a 4C is a win, and having that 4C be a genuine leader on the penalty kill is simply spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: PDG isn’t a top 6 forward any longer. He’s a 4th liner who is getting scratched. Which is how he should be looked at. MacEwan isn't an NHL player any longer. He is an AHL goon who is repeatedly waived. Which is how he should be looked at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 6 hours ago, Rekker said: I like Aman, but did you see him get pushed around by Boston? That's playoff like hockey and being pushed around for a seven game series is tough. Still don't think we are tough enough. I feel like I can agree with this, and yet still confidently state that MacEwen is not the answer. ESPECIALLY in the playoffs, where fighting is quite rare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, Coryberg said: MacEwan isn't an NHL player any longer. He is an AHL goon who is repeatedly waived. Which is how he should be looked at. Exactly. You just made my whole point. Both players are the same. I’d rather have the plug MacEwen than the plug PDG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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