TheBearded1 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Just wondering here: If we're forced into a non-signing/trade situation here, and if a team would refuse a roster player, how many/type of picks is Pety worth? He's an insane talent. Would you realistically take, lets say: 2025 1st, 2nd 2026 1st 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I would look for elite young players instead since this current Canucks team is in their window. I’d try and do something around Pettersson to Buffalo for Owen Power and Dylan Cozens. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 if he signs an offer sheet over 10.5. we get 4 first rounders from the signing team 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 If Allvin was a Moran he might think that’s fair. But fortunately Allvin isn’t a Moran. Only a Moran would let Petey go for that kind of return. Morans need to troll elsewhere. Moran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 IF we were forced to trade him I'd do Petey to Anaheim for Leo Carlsson and Drew Helleson... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBearded1 Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 if no players were involved and just picks? IF we were forced to move on from #40? would a team honestly give up four 1st's for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, TheBearded1 said: Just wondering here: If we're forced into a non-signing/trade situation here, and if a team would refuse a roster player, how many/type of picks is Pety worth? He's an insane talent. Would you realistically take, lets say: 2025 1st, 2nd 2026 1st Add three young A+ prospects, or two and a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Gotta be players given how we might be serious contenders for at least a deep run. If you are talking picks, unless you've got a very high draft pick, you're looking at a large number of picks. Two 1st and a 2nd isn't likely enough in my mind, if both 1sts are in the 20-30 range. If the picks are like #7 and #9, then maybe you're in the right ball park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopChed Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 42 minutes ago, TheBearded1 said: if no players were involved and just picks? IF we were forced to move on from #40? would a team honestly give up four 1st's for him? Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 13 minutes ago, TopChed said: Of course. 16 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Gotta be players given how we might be serious contenders for at least a deep run. If you are talking picks, unless you've got a very high draft pick, you're looking at a large number of picks. Two 1st and a 2nd isn't likely enough in my mind, if both 1sts are in the 20-30 range. If the picks are like #7 and #9, then maybe you're in the right ball park. its the rules on an RFA. If another team puts an offersheet greater value than what we offer, they get Petey, regardless of if he wants to go. the penalty to the other team is 4 first round picks. Its not a barter thing or a trade, its just the facts.... we save the cap, lose petey, but get four first round picks. Now, maybe we can turn those 4 first rounders into a Bedard/Celebrini deal, if we throw in some prospects to Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Iron Fist said: if he signs an offer sheet over 10.5. we get 4 first rounders from the signing team if he signs an offer sheet over 9 million and we dont match, we get 4 first rounders from the signing team. the amount does not matter. If we dont want to pay him over 8.8 we can let him go for 4 first rounders. and save the cap to keep everyone else, and even take someone on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 32 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Gotta be players given how we might be serious contenders for at least a deep run. If you are talking picks, unless you've got a very high draft pick, you're looking at a large number of picks. Two 1st and a 2nd isn't likely enough in my mind, if both 1sts are in the 20-30 range. If the picks are like #7 and #9, then maybe you're in the right ball park. Dont forget, we are talking about this summer after we win the cup. So Petey might have way more value to other teams than we do. We need cap for the next 4 or 5 years.... we have Miller, Hughes on long contracts, need to keep Demko, Boeser. We have youth coming up... We have Hoglander who will get to Petey level production when he has the ice time eventually. After we win the cup, how do we keep rolling? We let ep go on anyones offer sheet, flip those 4 first rounders and Garlund/Bleuger (keep Joshua) to Chicago for Bedard/Celebrini. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -AJ- Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 18 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: its the rules on an RFA. If another team puts an offersheet greater value than what we offer, they get Petey, regardless of if he wants to go. the penalty to the other team is 4 first round picks. Its not a barter thing or a trade, its just the facts.... we save the cap, lose petey, but get four first round picks. Now, maybe we can turn those 4 first rounders into a Bedard/Celebrini deal, if we throw in some prospects to Chicago? I'm quite sure Petey gets a say in the matter. He has to choose to sign the offer sheet, so he has say in the matter. The offer sheet compensation rules say that anything ~$10.7M or more gets 4 1st round picks. Anything less than that, we obviously match and it's no question. If they offer him 10.8M...match it because that's a good deal for him. Perhaps it becomes difficult if a team offers him $12.5M or $13M, but even then, if it's a good team, then we're looking at four picks 20-32, which isn't likely to be equal to Petey's value, so the question then is do you lose out on a little value to avoid what you think may be an overpayment? 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I'm quite sure Petey gets a say in the matter. He has to choose to sign the offer sheet, so he has say in the matter. The offer sheet compensation rules say that anything ~$10.7M or more gets 4 1st round picks. Anything less than that, we obviously match and it's no question. If they offer him 10.8M...match it because that's a good deal for him. Perhaps it becomes difficult if a team offers him $12.5M or $13M, but even then, if it's a good team, then we're looking at four picks 20-32, which isn't likely to be equal to Petey's value, so the question then is do you lose out on a little value to avoid what you think may be an overpayment? I mean, yes, you are right, Petey would have to want the money more than staying here..... but thats the whole point. If we sign him at 10 or more... can we afford to keep him? Is it just the start of a Toronto front loaded team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 44 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: if he signs an offer sheet over 9 million and we dont match, we get 4 first rounders from the signing team. the amount does not matter. If we dont want to pay him over 8.8 we can let him go for 4 first rounders. and save the cap to keep everyone else, and even take someone on. I think they changed it a couple years ago during the CBA negotiations when they increased all the numbers to reflect inflation. 9 million and we don't match, we get 2 firsts, a second and a third. gotta be over $10,503,720.00 to qualify for 4 firsts. entry level contracts used to be worth 750km they're 885k now. Edited February 15 by Iron Fist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 23 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: I mean, yes, you are right, Petey would have to want the money more than staying here..... but thats the whole point. If we sign him at 10 or more... can we afford to keep him? Is it just the start of a Toronto front loaded team? Petey at anything less than 11 is a steal no matter the terms IMO and worth it in my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Canuck Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 As far as I understand things, the first round picks have to be a teams own picks. So a question could be, can a team that has traded one of their upcoming first round picks actually put in an offer sheet which requires the first round picks? This would potentially reduce the number of teams able to submit an offer sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 45 minutes ago, VintageActualCanuckfan said: if he signs an offer sheet over 9 million and we dont match, we get 4 first rounders from the signing team. the amount does not matter. If we dont want to pay him over 8.8 we can let him go for 4 first rounders. and save the cap to keep everyone else, and even take someone on. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-raising-salary-thresholds-for-2022-offer-sheet-compensation/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIAHN Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, Alflives said: If Allvin was a Moran he might think that’s fair. But fortunately Allvin isn’t a Moran. Only a Moran would let Petey go for that kind of return. Morans need to troll elsewhere. Moran. moron /ˈmɔːrɒn/ noun 1.a stupid person:"we can't let these morons write if they can not spell!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JIAHN Posted February 15 Popular Post Share Posted February 15 1 hour ago, -AJ- said: I'm quite sure Petey gets a say in the matter. He has to choose to sign the offer sheet, so he has say in the matter. The offer sheet compensation rules say that anything ~$10.7M or more gets 4 1st round picks. Anything less than that, we obviously match and it's no question. If they offer him 10.8M...match it because that's a good deal for him. Perhaps it becomes difficult if a team offers him $12.5M or $13M, but even then, if it's a good team, then we're looking at four picks 20-32, which isn't likely to be equal to Petey's value, so the question then is do you lose out on a little value to avoid what you think may be an overpayment? One thing I have always argued is that, when a players leaves, and you get compensation. You also get Cap flexibility to sign another player. So, "IF" Petie was to say sign with Buffalo (just saying) and Vancouver was awarded 4 - 1st's, those picks would be in the 14 to 20 area. Now that alone does not make me too excited, but "IF" we were then to sign a UFA, in the summer....say Steve Stamkos 4 years @ $8,000,000 Then your return is Stamkos, and 4-1sts for Petey, and cap relief....that is not a bad deal...........just saying 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 37 minutes ago, JIAHN said: moron /ˈmɔːrɒn/ noun 1.a stupid person:"we can't let these morons write if they can not spell!" The spelling is likely deliberately wrong - as to mimic a rather famous picture taken of some Political protestors holding a sign with that wording. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIAHN Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 15 minutes ago, Gurn said: The spelling is likely deliberately wrong - as to mimic a rather famous picture taken of some Political protestors holding a sign with that wording. LOL, yes, I considered that.......but with Alf and his drinking......you never know! LOL 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, -AJ- said: I'm quite sure Petey gets a say in the matter. He has to choose to sign the offer sheet, so he has say in the matter. The offer sheet compensation rules say that anything ~$10.7M or more gets 4 1st round picks. Anything less than that, we obviously match and it's no question. If they offer him 10.8M...match it because that's a good deal for him. Perhaps it becomes difficult if a team offers him $12.5M or $13M, but even then, if it's a good team, then we're looking at four picks 20-32, which isn't likely to be equal to Petey's value, so the question then is do you lose out on a little value to avoid what you think may be an overpayment? I think you also have to layer in what we could use that cap space for and consider that part of the deal too. We could afford Lindholm (as our new 2C), Tanev, and raises to Joshua and Blueger, if we wanted to keep them, just for the price of Petey's contract... plus we have the four 1st rounders. We also don't have to use those first rounders, they are serious currency in other trades we might want to make. It should never get to that though. If Petterson hasn't signed an extension by the draft you probably have to try to move him. Him waiting and then filing for a one year arbitration award that walks him to free agency is a non starter. Not only do you then face the prospect of having no leverage in signing him to a long term deal, but you also lose your entire summer of not being able to make other moves because you don't know what the arbitration award will be until August. By then Lindholm will be long gone, and every other useful player we might want to fill the holes that our expiring deals will create. It would completely paralyze the team's ability to fashion a winning roster for next season. A Petterson trade wouldn't be pure picks, it would have blue chip young prospects, picks, and roster players in a package. There is a number where trading him or not matching an offer sheet just makes more sense. I would say above $12 million is right in that territory that either signing or moving on from him is pretty even value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 How many centres are there in the league are under 26 and score at a 100-pt pace? A: Petey & Hughes He’s uniquely awesome. You don’t trade him for lottery tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 8 hours ago, JIAHN said: moron /ˈmɔːrɒn/ noun 1.a stupid person:"we can't let these morons write if they can not spell!" Moran is Malmacian. Ex: “the moran trimmed the fur between his toes.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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