[Speculation] Pre-TDL Thread - Petey to Re-Sign and Canucks Scouting Pittsburgh/Duhaime

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, canucks curse said:

Dakota is about to go on LTIR with broken hand 

what's this now?

[RWJC]

18 minutes ago, aGENT said:

what's this now?

 

• For their game tonight against the Detroit Red Wings, the Vancouver Canucks will be without valuable depth forward Dakota Joshua (X Link). Supplementary reporting indicates that Joshua has injured his hand by way of a fight coming on Tuesday against Mackenzie Entwistle of the Chicago Blackhawks.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com

[Honkin Hronek]

If Soucy and Joshua both go on LTIR, that means we'll have about 4.5 million in cap space on deadline day, assuming nobody else is called up.

 

Mikheyev - Petey - Lindholm

Suter - Miller - Boeser 

Hoglander - Blueger - Garland 

PDG - Aman - Lafferty 

 

Hughes - Hronek 

Zadorov - Juulsen 

Cole - Myers 

 

LTIR - Poolman, Brisebois, Soucy, Joshua

 

That left side looks incredibly weak tbh. 

 

I know Greenway ($3 Million) is on their radar, but I wonder if we make a bigger splash for a Mittelstadt ($2.5 Million). Hell, get Buffalo to retain a little over a million on Mittelstadt, who has an expiring contract, and we can fit both. Yes, I'm aware we'd have to give up some prospects (Lekk/Podz) and picks (future 1st/2nd) but I'm quite content with that if we can re-sign Mittelstadt and Petey. Assuming the cap shenanigans can be done, imagine game one of the playoffs looking like: 

 

Mittelstadt - Petey - Lindholm (3 excellent passers who can score)

Greenway/Hoglander - Miller - Boeser (Bruiser, Passer/Shooter, Shooter)

Joshua - Blueger - Garland (Duh)

Hoglander/Greenway - Suter - Mikheyev (Energy line that can generate chances)

Edited February 15 by Honkin Hronek

[canucks curse]

Jordan greenway could be had for cheap prob

think Joshua but a bit better defensively not as good offensively, younger, bigger and already signed longer term 

[bh90]

17 minutes ago, Honkin Hronek said:

If Soucy and Joshua both go on LTIR, that means we'll have about 4.5 million in cap space on deadline day, assuming nobody else is called up.

 

Mikheyev - Petey - Lindholm

Suter - Miller - Boeser 

Hoglander - Blueger - Garland 

PDG - Aman - Lafferty 

 

Hughes - Hronek 

Zadorov - Cole 

Friedman - Juulsen 

 

LTIR - Poolman, Brisebois, Soucy, Joshua

 

That left side looks incredibly weak tbh. 

 

I know Greenway ($3 Million) is on their radar, but I wonder if we make a bigger splash for a Mittelstadt ($2.5 Million). Hell, get Buffalo to retain a little over a million on Mittelstadt, who has an expiring contract, and we can fit both. Yes, I'm aware we'd have to give up some prospects (Lekk/Podz) and picks (future 1st/2nd) but I'm quite content with that if we can re-sign Mittelstadt and Petey. Assuming the cap shenanigans can be done, imagine game one of the playoffs looking like: 

 

Mittelstadt - Petey - Lindholm (3 excellent passers who can score)

Greenway/Hoglander - Miller - Boeser (Bruiser, Passer/Shooter, Shooter)

Joshua - Blueger - Garland (Duh)

Hoglander/Greenway - Suter - Mikheyev (Energy line that can generate chances)

 

by left side looks weak do you mean up front or on the back end?

 

on the back end you forgot about Myers who slots in 2RD, thus shifting Cole or Zadarov to 3LD.

[IBatch]

6 hours ago, stawns said:

 

Kessel has never been a high energy players, he's a guy who knows how to get to the right spots.  People judging him on drills is a little silly

Wouldn't say never.   Guy had some high end speed at one point.    Agree we shouldn't judge him on some beer league like drills either.  

[Honkin Hronek]

11 minutes ago, bh90 said:

 

by left side looks weak do you mean up front or on the back end?

 

on the back end you forgot about Myers who slots in 2RD, thus shifting Cole or Zadarov to 3LD.

Up front, and thank you, good catch! Not sure how I forgot about that lol

[LillStrimma]

33 minutes ago, Honkin Hronek said:

If Soucy and Joshua both go on LTIR, that means we'll have about 4.5 million in cap space on deadline day, assuming nobody else is called up.

 

Mikheyev - Petey - Lindholm

Suter - Miller - Boeser 

Hoglander - Blueger - Garland 

PDG - Aman - Lafferty 

 

Hughes - Hronek 

Zadorov - Cole 

Friedman - Juulsen 

 

LTIR - Poolman, Brisebois, Soucy, Joshua

 

That left side looks incredibly weak tbh. 

 

I know Greenway ($3 Million) is on their radar, but I wonder if we make a bigger splash for a Mittelstadt ($2.5 Million). Hell, get Buffalo to retain a little over a million on Mittelstadt, who has an expiring contract, and we can fit both. Yes, I'm aware we'd have to give up some prospects (Lekk/Podz) and picks (future 1st/2nd) but I'm quite content with that if we can re-sign Mittelstadt and Petey. Assuming the cap shenanigans can be done, imagine game one of the playoffs looking like: 

 

Mittelstadt - Petey - Lindholm (3 excellent passers who can score)

Greenway/Hoglander - Miller - Boeser (Bruiser, Passer/Shooter, Shooter)

Joshua - Blueger - Garland (Duh)

Hoglander/Greenway - Suter - Mikheyev (Energy line that can generate chances)

To even consider Lekkerimäki is quite foolish.

Lekk is on ELC and can maybe start next season.

He singlehandely takes away OEL penalty compared with Mittelstadt while producing more points.

 

[Captain Hughes]

56 minutes ago, RWJC said:

 

• For their game tonight against the Detroit Red Wings, the Vancouver Canucks will be without valuable depth forward Dakota Joshua (X Link). Supplementary reporting indicates that Joshua has injured his hand by way of a fight coming on Tuesday against Mackenzie Entwistle of the Chicago Blackhawks.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com

Well suck me sideways. 

[Mike Vanderhoek]

I foresee Kessel signing in Vancouver, real shocker I know lol. I think there is something else tabled elsewhere that the Canucks will proceed with should Kessel be a go.

 

Maybe not big but a depth forward packaged is the sense I am getting to likely bring in a more legit NHL dman with experience.

 

 

[VegasCanuck]

2 hours ago, Bobby Lou said:

I agree completely with the Kessel and Tanev take. 

 

IMHAO I'd wait off on Tanev save the assets for next yr as I feel our D core with Soucy back and Juulsen as a #7 is solid as is.

 

I could see other teams hesitant to pay a 1st for an expiring UFA especially since (once again just my opinion) Tanev may very well come home to play with Hughes and a reasonable term and cap hit.

 

Sure be sweet if he came back next season and helped us win a championship whether we succeed this yr or not. Kinda be full circle for him and given his relationships with current players you never know...

I can't see any team trading for Tanev unless the feel they have a chance to win the cup this year. He's not going to re-sign with Calgary which means, at the end of the day, they will take whatever they can for the asset. I think as we get to the deadline, Tanev actually goes for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

We need Calgary to retain at half to have any chance of this working. If Canucks are successful in acquiring him, I think it's something like:

 

Woo back to AHL, frees up 775k off the books

 

To Vancouver:

Tanev, 50% retained 2.25 million net cap hit

 

To Calgary

Friedman (cap dump 775k)

2024 6th round pick

2025 4th round pick

 

Those numbers should be close to cap compliant, but if necessary, waive PDG and send him to Abbotsford. If we lose him on waivers, I think we have other guys in Abbotsford who are capable of stepping up. I think Podkolzin or Bains are close enough that they could assume depth roles in the playoffs. 

 

[Coconuts]

10 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

I can't see any team trading for Tanev unless the feel they have a chance to win the cup this year. He's not going to re-sign with Calgary which means, at the end of the day, they will take whatever they can for the asset. I think as we get to the deadline, Tanev actually goes for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

We need Calgary to retain at half to have any chance of this working. If Canucks are successful in acquiring him, I think it's something like:

 

Woo back to AHL, frees up 775k off the books

 

To Vancouver:

Tanev, 50% retained 2.25 million net cap hit

 

To Calgary

Friedman (cap dump 775k)

2024 6th round pick

2025 4th round pick

 

Those numbers should be close to cap compliant, but if necessary, waive PDG and send him to Abbotsford. If we lose him on waivers, I think we have other guys in Abbotsford who are capable of stepping up. I think Podkolzin or Bains are close enough that they could assume depth roles in the playoffs. 

 

 

Lolno

 

There are 10+ teams who have inquired about Tanev, he could very well fetch Calgary a 1st 

[VegasCanuck]

11 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Lolno

 

There are 10+ teams who have inquired about Tanev, he could very well fetch Calgary a 1st 

I think if anyone hadn't balked at the idea of giving up a 1st, he would have already been traded. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I think the only reason a team would give up a 1st right now would be to overpay to get it done. I don't think Calgary gets that high of a return.

 

Rental players, for the last few years, for the most part, are not getting the return they used to.

 

Time will tell, but I point back to Zadorov and media was spouting off that it was going to take a 1st round pick to get him...it didn't...

 

[Provost]

25 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Lolno

 

There are 10+ teams who have inquired about Tanev, he could very well fetch Calgary a 1st 

It isn’t impossible but isn’t how it is trending.  If they could get a 1st for him today he would have been traded.

 

They are gambling a team gets more desperate or gets a key injury and ups their price.  A dangerous game as Tanev could also get hurt and that return goes to zero.

 

Tanev also has some control over this.  He has a 10 team no trade clause.  I understand some teams ask each player for their list on July 1st each year as just a matter of administration, but some don’t.  If he is being asked for his list now he could force a move to where he wants by putting other playoff suitors on his list.

[Coconuts]

1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said:

I think if anyone hadn't balked at the idea of giving up a 1st, he would have already been traded. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I think the only reason a team would give up a 1st right now would be to overpay to get it done. I don't think Calgary gets that high of a return.

 

Rental players, for the last few years, for the most part, are not getting the return they used to.

 

Time will tell, but I point back to Zadorov and media was spouting off that it was going to take a 1st round pick to get him...it didn't...

 

 

Zadorov was a 5D on a Calgary team that arguably had a more well rounded defense than we do. Their top four as a whole doesn't have the high end talent we have in Hughes, but I like their second pairing better than ours. 

 

Zadorov has been a 5D in Vancouver as well imo. 

 

Tanev is a legit top 4D who is known to be elite defensively, that's why he's highly sought after. He can solidify a defense corp or improve upon it. He's also an RD.  

 

Calgary's ask is supposedly at 2nd+, Toronto doesn't have a 2nd available though so it'd cost them a 1st. 

 

I don't believe it's that Calgary can't get their ask, given how much interest there in in Tanev, more than likely they're simply not in a rush to trade him. There's a better chance they get a higher return closer to the deadline, why settle for a 2nd+ if you could potentially get a 1st?

 

The idea of Calgary retaining 50% and only getting a 4th and 6th back is laughable. If Calgary retains 50% they could very well get a 1st from a team who fancies themselves a contender. For reference, last deadline the Kings gave up a conditional 1st and a 3rd for a defensive D in Gavrikov and Korpisalo. Chychrun got a conditional 1st and two 2nd's. Ekholm got a 1st and 4th. Orlov and Hathaway garnered a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Craig Smith. 

 

Go back to the season prior and Giordano and Blackwell got the Kraken two 2nd's and a 3rd. We got Dermott for a 3rd. We got a 2nd for Hamonic. Lindholm got the Ducks a 1st, two 2nds, and more. Ben Chiarot of all players got Montreal a 1st, a prospect, and a 4th. Avs paid up a 2nd and Drew Helleson for Manson. Leafs gave up a conditional 2nd and Nick Ritchie for Dzingel and Lyubushkin. 

 

There's no way Tanev returns less than what we paid for Dermott. Some of the players I mentioned are younger, more well rounded players than Tanev, but this season the D trade market is pretty thin. Few top four D to be had, let alone defensive specialists who are also RD. 

 

The ask is supposedly a 2nd+, they'll likely be able to get that if not more from a more desperate team. 

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-leafs-aware-flames-price-tanev

 

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames-tanev-trade-interest-teams

[Coconuts]

9 minutes ago, Provost said:

It isn’t impossible but isn’t how it is trending.  If they could get a 1st for him today he would have been traded.

 

They are gambling a team gets more desperate or gets a key injury and ups their price.  A dangerous game as Tanev could also get hurt and that return goes to zero.

 

Tanev also has some control over this.  He has a 10 team no trade clause.  I understand some teams ask each player for their list on July 1st each year as just a matter of administration, but some don’t.  If he is being asked for his list now he could force a move to where he wants by putting other playoff suitors on his list.

 

Probably, but that isn't to say they won't get it. The Leafs don't have a 2nd that isn't far off that they can trade, it's likely a 1st for them. 

 

I reckon the Flames should at least get their ask of a 2nd+, if not more. There is the chance Tanev could get hurt, certainly, but I don't believe the Flames are in a rush to move him. There's a good chance a team will ante up as time goes on. 

 

He does, but I also don't really see Tanev putting the screws to Calgary. He doesn't strike me as that kind of person. 

[VegasCanuck]

57 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Zadorov was a 5D on a Calgary team that arguably had a more well rounded defense than we do. Their top four as a whole doesn't have the high end talent we have in Hughes, but I like their second pairing better than ours. 

 

Zadorov has been a 5D in Vancouver as well imo. 

 

Tanev is a legit top 4D who is known to be elite defensively, that's why he's highly sought after. He can solidify a defense corp or improve upon it. He's also an RD.  

 

Calgary's ask is supposedly at 2nd+, Toronto doesn't have a 2nd available though so it'd cost them a 1st. 

 

I don't believe it's that Calgary can't get their ask, given how much interest there in in Tanev, more than likely they're simply not in a rush to trade him. There's a better chance they get a higher return closer to the deadline, why settle for a 2nd+ if you could potentially get a 1st?

 

The idea of Calgary retaining 50% and only getting a 4th and 6th back is laughable. If Calgary retains 50% they could very well get a 1st from a team who fancies themselves a contender. For reference, last deadline the Kings gave up a conditional 1st and a 3rd for a defensive D in Gavrikov and Korpisalo. Chychrun got a conditional 1st and two 2nd's. Ekholm got a 1st and 4th. Orlov and Hathaway garnered a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Craig Smith. 

 

Go back to the season prior and Giordano and Blackwell got the Kraken two 2nd's and a 3rd. We got Dermott for a 3rd. We got a 2nd for Hamonic. Lindholm got the Ducks a 1st, two 2nds, and more. Ben Chiarot of all players got Montreal a 1st, a prospect, and a 4th. Avs paid up a 2nd and Drew Helleson for Manson. Leafs gave up a conditional 2nd and Nick Ritchie for Dzingel and Lyubushkin. 

 

There's no way Tanev returns less than what we paid for Dermott. Some of the players I mentioned are younger, more well rounded players than Tanev, but this season the D trade market is pretty thin. Few top four D to be had, let alone defensive specialists who are also RD. 

 

The ask is supposedly a 2nd+, they'll likely be able to get that if not more from a more desperate team. 

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-leafs-aware-flames-price-tanev

 

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames-tanev-trade-interest-teams

We will see what happens, @Coconuts, I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that I don't think they will get there, but who the hell knows in this league, weird shit happens!

[Coconuts]

3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

We will see what happens, @Coconuts, I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that I don't think they will get there, but who the hell knows in this league, weird shit happens!

 

In any case, it'll be fascinating to see how things play out 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said:

I think if anyone hadn't balked at the idea of giving up a 1st, he would have already been traded. I'm not saying it's not possible, but I think the only reason a team would give up a 1st right now would be to overpay to get it done. I don't think Calgary gets that high of a return.

 

Rental players, for the last few years, for the most part, are not getting the return they used to.

 

Time will tell, but I point back to Zadorov and media was spouting off that it was going to take a 1st round pick to get him...it didn't...

 

Boston traded a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a 5th for Dmitry Orlov and Garnet Hathaway last year. 
 

So I don’t think it’s unreasonable that a team trades a 1st for Tanev. 

[Honkin Hronek]

Guentzel has likely played his last game as a Penguin. I'd be shocked if they don't go on a losing skid now with their depleted depth. Hell, they even had to claim Matthew Phillips today

[Mac]

20 hours ago, canucks curse said:

Jordan greenway could be had for cheap prob

think Joshua but a bit better defensively not as good offensively, younger, bigger and already signed longer term 

greenway and joshua are the same age

[Mac]

If the canucks do go after Tanev, the main reason will be to keep him away from the coilers imo.

[Honkin Hronek]

Here's a write-up on the two main depth options I like: 

 

Brandon Duhaime - 

His statline won't wow you (just 6 points in 53 games with Minnesota) but he's at 57 PIMs this year at 6'2, 201lbs. He's 26 years old and in a contract year, so extra incentive to find his place in a lineup. He's about an average skater but if he has the time and space he isn't afraid to drive. According to NHL edge he's in the 87th percentile for 22+ MPH bursts, but his top speed is just above average. He won't score much but I really like him as a tough SOB to fill in for a few games if there are injuries, and he kills penalties too. If we can get him for a mid-late round pick, I am all for him, especially if he'd re-sign for 2-3 years at his current cap hit of 1.1.

 

Alexey Toropchenko - 

This is a bit more expensive, but I really like this players game. He's 24 years old, 6'6 and 230lbs, and he plays FAST. In the 96th percentile of speedbursts over 20mph, even if his top speed is only (comparatively) in the 84th percentile. He has 13 points in 53 games with 26 PIMs, but he's not unwilling to drop the gloves. He has another year at 1.25 million after this one, and could see him as a potential Dakota Joshua replacement if he walks. Contract year next year before being an RFA, so he's under team control. I'd value him at roughly a third and a fifth, but we could use his speed and size. Would be cheaper to acquire and on the cap than Greenway. 

[Coconuts]

46 minutes ago, Mac said:

If the canucks do go after Tanev, the main reason will be to keep him away from the coilers imo.

 

I think the Flames would be even less likely to help the Oil than they are the Leafs, short of Edmonton maybe offering up their 1st 

[Honkin Hronek]