spook007 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: I'm still pissed. I've never seen officials turn so hard against 1 team after they went up 5-2. After that they called EVERYTHING. The Lindholm penalty was proof of that, you don't call that unless you're desperate. The Lindholm pen was long before 5-2 wasn't it? (It was never a penalty).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL Tyranny Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 hours ago, Curmudgeon said: Do you honestly believe that NHL games are fixed, and that referees deliberately determine the outcome of games? If so, I gots questions for you: 1. Which of the 32 owners would accept "the league" arranging for some teams to win and some to lose? 2. Since every action requires a purpose, what purpose would be served by fixing games? 3. Do you think Gary Bettman gives a fat rat's ass who wins, as long as it sells out? 4. Do you think the NHL is working with betting sites to fix games? 5. Why do you think Vancouver is on the league's "Let's screw these guys over" list? 6. Can you provide a list of specific calls that prove your point that the NHL is worse than the NFL and NBA for corrupt referees? Here's the deal. Referees do their best to interpret the action on the ice within the framework of the rule book. They get most calls right, they miss some that they did not see and they make horrifically bad calls from time to time. They are subject to the same human frailties as anybody else and to expect them to never make a mistake isn't fair or reasonable. On balance, each team gets bad calls that mostly even out over the course of a season. There is no conspiracy to put obstacles in Vancouver's way. None. No, yet I wouldn't be surprised to learn the NHL wants to know runaway teams down a bit to add more excitement/pleasure for other markets. It would make business sense to avoid runaway teams/series. Also Canadian team domination in the league is not helpful for growing the game in the south. But that's merely my speculation...Yes the series against the sharks was a pathetic display. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, spook007 said: The Lindholm pen was long before 5-2 wasn't it? (It was never a penalty).... It was. But it set the tone. Stupid ass call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, spook007 said: The Lindholm pen was long before 5-2 wasn't it? (It was never a penalty).... Not 5-2 but 4-1. It started as soon as the Canucks pulled away from the game. When it started getting out of the refs control they used brut force to get back their control on a cartoonish WWE believability level. Edited February 20 by Pure961089 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 17 minutes ago, NHL Tyranny said: No, yet I wouldn't be surprised to learn the NHL wants to know runaway teams down a bit to add more excitement/pleasure for other markets. It would make business sense to avoid runaway teams/series. Also Canadian team domination in the league is not helpful for growing the game in the south. But that's merely my speculation...Yes the series against the sharks was a pathetic display. I just find it shady that the NHL has its own YouTube betting show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Don't get me wrong I'm a big Canucks fan but right now i think the NHL's officiating has about as much integrity as a Casino run by the Mob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 51 minutes ago, Barn Burner said: It was. But it set the tone. Stupid ass call. That is true... and a poor call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 49 minutes ago, Pure961089 said: Not 5-2 but 4-1. It started as soon as the Canucks pulled away from the game. When it started getting out of the refs control they used brut force to get back their control on a cartoonish WWE believability level. It was a poor call, and I'm not sure, but think they may have been slightly influenced by the Myers non call... who knows.... its history... we need to get better... it won't be the only time, we feel hard done to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-dlc- Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 8 hours ago, Breadnbutta said: It's a bad look when a franchise and its fans complain about the refs constantly. And it's been this way for decades. Canucks Twitter is toxic, radio text lines are crazy, .. we have a statue of Roger waiving the white towel... at the refs. It's not a good look. Refs have a tough job and hockey is a fast game. Shit happens, move on. Watch other games, officiating is rarely consistent. It's not just against the Canucks. I hate the cry baby stereotype Canucks fans have around the league, cause I'm not one. End the stereo type. It's one thing to be ticked off about a call and chant ref you suck in the crowd. But to constantly complain about conspiracies against the Canucks and flood these opinions on social media and the radio talk shows is .. such.. a .. bad.. look. Here's the thing though... For some people, image is everything. But I'm not one of those people. I don't give a rat's ass what people in Toronto or Boston or Edmonton think of me. I probably think the same of them, so we're even. A bad look? The refs are giving the league a bad look so that's where it starts. Once they get their act together, we'll have no need to mention them. Appearances aren't everything. Integrity, transparency, accountability, fairness. Those things are much more important to me. Until then, I like doing it my way. I don't keep quiet or worry about what people think. I'm secure in the fact that the people I care about and the one in the mirror think I'm doing ok. Those are the ones who count to me. I don't go out of my way to worry about stereotypes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: Don't get me wrong I'm a big Canucks fan but right now i think the NHL's officiating has about as much integrity as a Casino run by the Mob. There is no integrity, but there's nothing the team can do about it but suck it up and not poke the bear. Sucks but it is what it is. The last time our GM called out the referees, we got the longest suspension in NHL history in the Stanley Cup Final, nothing for Mason Raymond's back breaker and bad calls for the Sedins till their retirement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Kelly Sutherland being employed after years of disgracing the sport with open match fixing makes it pretty clear that the NHL does not consider integrity and honesty to be a requirement for a ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, DSVII said: There is no integrity, but there's nothing the team can do about it but suck it up and not poke the bear. Sucks but it is what it is. The last time our GM called out the referees, we got the longest suspension in NHL history in the Stanley Cup Final, nothing for Mason Raymond's back breaker and bad calls for the Sedins till their retirement. We can send someone out to drop the mitts. These refs should be scared to pull the garbage they seem to think is acceptable. Intimidation is a part of the game and it worked in 72 with Parise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 16 minutes ago, -dlc- said: Here's the thing though... For some people, image is everything. But I'm not one of those people. I don't give a rat's ass what people in Toronto or Boston or Edmonton think of me. I probably think the same of them, so we're even. A bad look? The refs are giving the league a bad look so that's where it starts. Once they get their act together, we'll have no need to mention them. Appearances aren't everything. Integrity, transparency, accountability, fairness. Those things are much more important to me. Until then, I like doing it my way. I don't keep quiet or worry about what people think. I'm secure in the fact that the people I care about and the one in the mirror think I'm doing ok. Those are the ones who count to me. I don't go out of my way to worry about stereotypes. Neilson was right. So was Gillis. So was Myers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Man Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 8 hours ago, Breadnbutta said: It's a bad look when a franchise and its fans complain about the refs constantly. And it's been this way for decades. Canucks Twitter is toxic, radio text lines are crazy, .. we have a statue of Roger waiving the white towel... at the refs. It's not a good look. Refs have a tough job and hockey is a fast game. Shit happens, move on. Watch other games, officiating is rarely consistent. It's not just against the Canucks. I hate the cry baby stereotype Canucks fans have around the league, cause I'm not one. End the stereo type. It's one thing to be ticked off about a call and chant ref you suck in the crowd. But to constantly complain about conspiracies against the Canucks and flood these opinions on social media and the radio talk shows is .. such.. a .. bad.. look. I’ll tell you what…. Let’s put aside the argument that there is a conspiracy in place against our Canucks That still leaves us with the officiating issue which is sucks for the most part regardless of a team one is cheering for. I am not buying the argument that “this is a fast paced game”, “refs got a tough job”,etc. You know who’s got a tough job in a fast paced environment? Commercial pilots. But they are getting the job done right 99.9999% of the time? You know why? Because they trained their asses off to be able to make right calls all the time. Why refs can’t dedicate all their time to get better at their craft? Their job does not required some set of unique skills, all can and should be developed by constant training . Should be a system in place ( like every airline has) that allowed only qualified people , people who pass tough tests to be refs, like in any professional fields. Just my 5 c. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Neilson was right. So was Gillis. So was Myers. None of them went far enough. The NHL won't won't clean up their act voluntarily until forced to by either a judge or public humiliation. Bettman should be getting forced to answer questions about the corruption in the officiating ranks every single day until the problem is solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Man Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 18 minutes ago, King Heffy said: We can send someone out to drop the mitts. These refs should be scared to pull the garbage they seem to think is acceptable. Intimidation is a part of the game and it worked in 72 with Parise. Yes, thank you, it was Parise, I thought it was Makita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 15 hours ago, DSVII said: There is no integrity, but there's nothing the team can do about it but suck it up and not poke the bear. Sucks but it is what it is. The last time our GM called out the referees, we got the longest suspension in NHL history in the Stanley Cup Final, nothing for Mason Raymond's back breaker and bad calls for the Sedins till their retirement. Bang on... We can cry, moan and scream, but there is f all we can do... On these pages we can say, what we think, and how we see the games, but players, coaches and management have to keep their trap closed, as it never ends well for us despite us being right or wrong... We've seen this movie before, so let it slide.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Can I just add, that when looking at games without Canucks, I see the same refereeing mistakes and odd takes... Don't think, its just us... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/20/2024 at 5:12 PM, Silent Man said: I’ll tell you what…. Let’s put aside the argument that there is a conspiracy in place against our Canucks That still leaves us with the officiating issue which is sucks for the most part regardless of a team one is cheering for. I am not buying the argument that “this is a fast paced game”, “refs got a tough job”,etc. You know who’s got a tough job in a fast paced environment? Commercial pilots. But they are getting the job done right 99.9999% of the time? You know why? Because they trained their asses off to be able to make right calls all the time. Why refs can’t dedicate all their time to get better at their craft? Their job does not required some set of unique skills, all can and should be developed by constant training . Should be a system in place ( like every airline has) that allowed only qualified people , people who pass tough tests to be refs, like in any professional fields. Just my 5 c. Human error will always exist and the refs have to be looking at the exact right spot all the time to be perfect.......cameras on the other hand do catch most things. Coaching challenges should be expanded and the reviews should be quicker. Give the refs the tools they need and take the nonesense out like they've done with tennis. It's a lot easier to complain about refs and game fixing when they can't explain what the rest of the world is seeing after a chance to review video. The big downside.....what do they do about non-calls. Non-calls have to be consistent too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/20/2024 at 4:55 PM, King Heffy said: We can send someone out to drop the mitts. These refs should be scared to pull the garbage they seem to think is acceptable. Intimidation is a part of the game and it worked in 72 with Parise. I don't disagree with you but it's hard to take you seriously when you have "Fire Rutherford" locked in with each post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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