[Report] Canucks re-sign Pettersson to 8 year contract @ $11.6M

[Alflives]

21 minutes ago, 43isprime said:

 

But no way he's worth within 1m of what Mackinnon is worth. From that perspective, it's a loss.

[spook007]

5 minutes ago, IBatch said:

If this is about JB..staggering these two, worked out great.   Look at how great.    Remember how much trouble NSH had with Suter and Weber.   MIN with Parise and Suter after ...  Dallas with Benn and Seguin (took half a decade for that to pay big dividends)....Toews and Kane.   As soon as the ink dried, they were toast.    Markstrom verus Demko.    Not every deal and decision JB was bad.   Like MG, the team was already made.   Allvin has done a remarkable job of bringing in the right head coach (and Tochett his staff), and being a finisher.   Faster than MG really.  So far anyways. 

Nailed it to a tee...

[IBatch]

7 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

 

By this logic if you compare every defenceman to our likely Norris trophy winner Hughes on 7M, every other defenceman is trash. Thing is these deals all get made at different points in the player's careers and at different ages, and different moments in cap and team history so it's quite hard to compare.

Yep.  And it has to be done based on starting cap percentage.  For NM, that's 15.27%.   For EP around 13.89 (only because he signed it before cap is going up, otherwise around 13.1% if he instead, signed this summer).   Even at 13.89%, it's a significant difference, around 10%.   At 13.1, it jumps to around 15%.     Doubt COL fans are worried about NM, we shouldn't be worried about EP either.    No thanks to CAR offer if true.   Much rather have EP, then the a-hole that accidentally on purpose injured him (was at the game) and a journeyman we can get for free every off-season, plus a late first rounder.    

[iinatcc]

IMO as of now MacKinnon > Pettersson but while MacKinnon has likely to have peaked there's still room for Pettersson to get better. 

 

Plus Pettersson is getting this extension at a younger age. 

 

Of course the hope is that Pettersson improves at a level where this deal will be seen as a huge bargain in the next one to two years. Time will tell.

 

But the deal is very good, baring anything freaky happening 

 

 

[iinatcc]

15 minutes ago, IBatch said:

If this is about JB..staggering these two, worked out great.   Look at how great.    Remember how much trouble NSH had with Suter and Weber.   MIN with Parise and Suter after ...  Dallas with Benn and Seguin (took half a decade for that to pay big dividends)....Toews and Kane.   As soon as the ink dried, they were toast.    Markstrom verus Demko.    Not every deal and decision JB was bad.   Like MG, the team was already made.   Allvin has done a remarkable job of bringing in the right head coach (and Tochett his staff), and being a finisher.   Faster than MG really.  So far anyways. 

 

Hindsight it worked out for the Petey extension but if Benning is still GM no way Pettersson takes this deal either because he doesn't want to be with the Canucks or Benning's poor negotiation skills. 

[TUSK v2.0]

49 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Yep.  And it has to be done based on starting cap percentage.  For NM, that's 15.27%.   For EP around 13.89 (only because he signed it before cap is going up, otherwise around 13.1% if he instead, signed this summer).   Even at 13.89%, it's a significant difference, around 10%.   At 13.1, it jumps to around 15%.     Doubt COL fans are worried about NM, we shouldn't be worried about EP either.    No thanks to CAR offer if true.   Much rather have EP, then the a-hole that accidentally on purpose injured him (was at the game) and a journeyman we can get for free every off-season, plus a late first rounder.    

So what do you speculate Boeser's cap percent would be next year to resign him? %10? If he keeps pace with what he is doing this year, next year?

[43isprime]

2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

 

By this logic if you compare every defenceman to our likely Norris trophy winner Hughes on 7M, every other defenceman is trash. Thing is these deals all get made at different points in the player's careers and at different ages, and different moments in cap and team history so it's quite hard to compare.

 

Hughes was not a likely Norris trophy winner in the year he signed the deal.

 

What had MacKinnon accomplished by the time he signed his 12.6m deal?

 

Edited March 3 by 43isprime

[wai_lai416]

Just now, 43isprime said:

 

Hughes was not a likely Norris trophy winner when he signed the deal.

 

What had MacKinnon accomplished by the time he signed his 12.6m deal?

 

what have jack hughes accomplished when he signed his 8mil deal? he was looking nothing like a 8mil guy.. what have dahlin accomplished when he signed his deal? was stuzle and sanderson both 8mil+ player prior to signing?

 

if ep signed in the summer instead of now then we can say EP is a back to back 100+ point player same as mackinnon. 

 

if mackinnon contract expires this year instead of last year mackinnon would be signing for 13.5mil base on the cap going up. 12.6mil at 83.5 is not the same as 12.6mil at 87mil just like 11.6 at 87mil would have been like 10.6mil if he had to sign when the cap was still at 83.5..

 

why don't you argue why mackinnon is getting 12.6mil when kucherov is only getting 9.5mil? there's no way mackinnon is worth 3million more than kucherov!? they signed in different years but the cap was relatively similar!? 

[nzan]

2 hours ago, IBatch said:

If this is about JB..staggering these two, worked out great.   Look at how great.    

Im not even a Benning detractor, but this is a perfect description of how he seemed to manage - staggering about and making some good moves

[MeanSeanBean]

2 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

But no way he's worth within 1m of what Mackinnon is worth. From that perspective, it's a loss.

That's certainly an opinion 

[Provost]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

If this is about JB..staggering these two, worked out great.   Look at how great.    Remember how much trouble NSH had with Suter and Weber.   MIN with Parise and Suter after ...  Dallas with Benn and Seguin (took half a decade for that to pay big dividends)....Toews and Kane.   As soon as the ink dried, they were toast.    Markstrom verus Demko.    Not every deal and decision JB was bad.   Like MG, the team was already made.   Allvin has done a remarkable job of bringing in the right head coach (and Tochett his staff), and being a finisher.   Faster than MG really.  So far anyways. 

How exactly did staggering the deals work out?  If Benning hadn’t  mismanaged the cap so badly we would have had the space to sign both Petterson and Hughes to mad term deals which would have been in the $8-9 million range back then.

 

Cap inflation would have already given us a few years to make those deals relatively cheap, and we wouldn’t be facing how much we will be paying the two of them combined when Hughes gets extended

 

 

[Bob Long]

10 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

If you are claiming this report is false then you're query should be forwarded to Friedman...

 

SAccording to multiple sources, the Vancouver Canucks and Carolina Hurricanes had discussions about Elias Pettersson that advanced to a stage where both the Canucks and the player needed to make serious decisions about where their relationship was headed.

The Canucks ultimately decided in favour of another attempt at extending Pettersson, and he, facing the possibility Vancouver could move him, allowed agents Pat Brisson and JP Barry to resume negotiations. Previously, the talented forward indicated he preferred to wait until after the season.

 

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver-canucks/latest-news/vancouver-canucks-elias-pettersson-carolina-hurricanes-trade

 

 

I don't think it had to be discussed as a threat, just telling him the reality they had to consider. According to Drance they also discussed their worry about this becoming a Tkachuk like situation .

 

I have no doubt it was a frank, but very respectful conversation.

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, 43isprime said:

 

Hughes was not a likely Norris trophy winner in the year he signed the deal.

 

What had MacKinnon accomplished by the time he signed his 12.6m deal?

 

 

The comp isn't mac, it's Willy.

[The Lock]

5 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

But no way he's worth within 1m of what Mackinnon is worth. From that perspective, it's a loss.

 

If that's how you want to argue, then MacKinnon's the one who should be paid more. MacKinnon's considered a similar tier to Matthews afterall.

 

Not that I even remotely agree with your assessment to begin with. lol

Edited March 3 by The Lock

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

If that's how you want to argue, then MacKinnon's the one who should be paid more. MacKinnon's considered a similar tier to Matthews afterall.

 

Not that I even remotely agree with your assessment to begin with. lol

 

bingo, Mac took a discount compared to Captain Underpants / douche stache. 

 

[The Lock]

2 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

Hughes was not a likely Norris trophy winner in the year he signed the deal.

 

What had MacKinnon accomplished by the time he signed his 12.6m deal?

 

 

MacKinnon might have had... I don't know... maybe 7 all-star games (okay 6 when he signed), a lady byng trophy, the calder trophy...

 

...oh and a stanley cup...

 

But... you know... what had MacKinnon accomplished by the time he signed that contract? Remember, this is the 1st year of that contract. lol

 

Anyway, clearly you didn't know MacKinnon's accomplishments so now you know!

Edited March 3 by The Lock

[erkayloomeh]

21 hours ago, Bardown said:

A lot of that was driven by the media.

 

Dhall was saying Peterson wasn’t coming to the table and the Canucks were “very frustrated”

 

today they said they’ve been talking regularly 

 

the AaV being a slight discount, and Petey’s rational that he wanted to see the direction of the team, would back up their point they’ve been talking all along

 

Dhali is a drama queen and not a fan of that 

We the fans get the least amount of accurate information. What's going on between Miller and horvat/Pete, contract negotiations, trade rumors,aquaman and so on. We get our crumbs from the media, the second least informed group. So we take there speculation and run with it. 

We need to be careful what we believe.

[-dlc-]

9 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said:

We the fans get the least amount of accurate information. What's going on between Miller and horvat/Pete, contract negotiations, trade rumors,aquaman and so on. We get our crumbs from the media, the second least informed group. So we take there speculation and run with it. 

We need to be careful what we believe.

Exactly. 

Which is why we need to pace ourselves with a "wait and see" approach.

 

The Miller (was surely going to be gone) stuff should've taught us that. 

 

Vancouver's becoming more and more desirable and players not only want to come here again, they want to stay here. That's becoming evident.

 

This team is close to something very special and they're finding a way to really come together as a group. Chemistry and familiarity between some of the core players is dynamite when it clicks. All teams go through peaks and valleys but this one's learning to weather storms and be resilient. Not to buckle.

 

Petey's "home" where he belongs.

[Guntrix]

Not worth that much.

 

Regardless, last thing I wanna see on here is people saying Pettersson shouldn’t be criticized. With that contract, he should absolutely be held to the highest standards. No more disappearing acts. 

Edited March 3 by Guntrix

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Guntrix said:

Not worth that match.

 

Regardless, last thing I wanna see on here is people saying Pettersson shouldn’t be criticized. With that contract, he should absolutely be held to the highest standards. No more disappearing acts. 

 

He's the 4th highest scoring C in the league at 25. That's disappearing to you?

[-dlc-]

53 minutes ago, Guntrix said:

Not worth that much.

 

Regardless, last thing I wanna see on here is people saying Pettersson shouldn’t be criticized. With that contract, he should absolutely be held to the highest standards. No more disappearing acts. 

It's a bit ridiculous though.

 

You don't do that if you're realistic. Players will have hot and cold runs...it's just part of being human. The what have you done for me lately that goes back a couple of games is overkill.

 

He's over a ppg player, has NINE gwg's (more than Mc or Matthews) and even when he's off he finds ways to contribute. He's up there in the standings but some maybe don't look at the big picture. Like they did with Miller...zero in on what he isn't doing and ignore what he is.

 

People expect dangles and dazzle but sometimes "finding a way" is part of winning. 

 

He hasn't disappeared...he's struggling a bit. And that's ok because his entire body of work tells the story. Not just the rough patches, which is what some hone in on.

[Canuck You]

7 minutes ago, -dlc- said:

Exactly. 

Which is why we need to pace ourselves with a "wait and see" approach.

 

The Miller (was surely going to be gone) stuff should've taught us that. 

 

Vancouver's becoming more and more desirable and players not only want to come here again, they want to stay here. That's becoming evident.

 

This team is close to something very special and they're finding a way to really come together as a group. Chemistry and familiarity between some of the core players is dynamite when it clicks. All teams go through peaks and valleys but this one's learning to weather storms and be resilient. Not to buckle.

 

Petey's "home" where he belongs.

This is key! Majority of the 2011 cup run team played together for most of their career until it all came together....just 1 game short.

[Guntrix]

7 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

He's the 4th highest scoring C in the league at 25. That's disappearing to you?

Yes if he disappears in games that matter.

 

We laugh at Nylander for doing the very same thing. Let’s be consistent in our rationale at least.

[-dlc-]

46 minutes ago, Guntrix said:

Yes if he disappears in games that matter.

 

We laugh at Nylander for doing the very same thing. Let’s be consistent in our rationale at least.

Petey's ours though.

 

If you don't see why we're a bit easier/more loyal to him, maybe you're doing it wrong and we're not. Just a thought. F Nylander and the Leafs.

 

Besides, I laugh at Nylander because his helmet is ridiculous. What's he got stuffed up under there....money? A giant manbun? 

[NoCupSyndrome]

2 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

I don't think it had to be discussed as a threat, just telling him the reality they had to consider. According to Drance they also discussed their worry about this becoming a Tkachuk like situation .

 

I have no doubt it was a frank, but very respectful conversation.

 

PA and his team have definitely shown a strong ability to communicate in a way that prevents negative outcomes/feelings (e.g. Kuz situation, etc.). Underrated skill set.