Metal Face Doom Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 12 hours ago, 43isprime said: My "argument" is his play has been inconsistent (or sporadic, to use Tocchet's term) and that he's been not good for large chunks of the season. All the numbers I cited (including his 19pts in the first 10 games) support my argument just fine. "Large chunks' is a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Metal Face Doom said: "Large chunks' is a stretch. when I read his posts about Petey, I do think of big chunks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 25 minutes ago, The Duke said: The irony of someone named “Provost” calling an actual AGM a poor source, while propping up the unhinged Chris K, best known for challenging someone (a girl?) to a fist fight over a Twitter argument as a good one is just staggering. Absolutely staggering. Go on being salty thinking Petey would have signed for 9 mil long term. Ask yourself why no one even remotely credible is challenging Gear’s claims. Just the “Benning ruined everything” enthusiasts trying for one more day of glory. I even started this discussion saying the way it played out doesn’t absolve the bad cap management of the day. If you’re able to read the tongue in cheek tone of Gear’s posts it’s obvious he’s half joking as well. An unemployed former AGM of an era of stunning futility defending his own moves and taking credit for the new regime getting them out of the mud? Of course that is a nonsense source. Find someone credible supporting what he is saying. Why would anyone credible bother challenging Gear’s claims. He isn’t in hockey anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 So basically what Petey’s agent is saying is that if Benning was still the GM, then Petey would be asking for a trade… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So basically what Petey’s agent is saying is that if Benning was still the GM, then Petey would be asking for a trade… When everyone was pushing the high stakes season narrative before the season I guess they weren’t far off… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: So basically what Petey’s agent is saying is that if Benning was still the GM, then Petey would be asking for a trade… To be fair he said if team was going south or in the wrong direction. What if they were south but were trending north or going in the right direction? That being said, I'm so happy we are where we are right now. JR and PA are hitting home runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43isprime Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 15 hours ago, The Lock said: So to you then, being above a point per game's not good enough even though he plays a 200 foot game along with those points. You really seem to want to lean into Tocchets comments when I'm even pretty such Tocchet himself considers Pettersson to be an 11.6mil player despite being sporadic. He's sporadic based on how he's played at other times, meaning that when he's not sporadic, he's up there with the best of the best and for a bargain at that point. Also, cherry picking involves ignoring ANY part of the season, doesn't matter the percentage, nor do I think you're even correct with that percentage. He's only really been sporadic since the all-star break since an 87 point pace could hardly be called sporadic in the first place when he's playing the full 200 foot game anyway. Here, I'll debate the same way you do but the opposite. If you take out every bad game Pettersson's had, he should have been paid 13.5mil. Sounds stupid right? Yet, that's your argument but just the opposite direction. Looking at 10-game rolling averages over the entire season, Pettersson has 16 such stretches where he averages under 1 point per game. MacKinnon has 2. McDavid has 6. Nylander has 5. Matthews has 8. Pastrnak has 1. Star players can go pointless in particular games, but they don't go long stretches with subpar play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 21 hours ago, Alflives said: Benning was a Moran. Petey at 8.5 right now, and for five more years, was the best option. Benning, the Moran, signed a bunch of old guys to fat contracts so didn’t have to cap space to sign Petey long term. This Gear guy sounds like a guy who helped Benning, the Moran, do Petey’s contract. Anyway you slice it, having EP around his entire prime, verus a Tavares, or Stamkos, or Mathews like situation, where you risk losing your star player by signing deals that take them right to free agency, it's a lot more fun this way.. EP didn't want to sign long term yet either, turned it down, so JB moved on. That's how it happened. Worked out great for us and well for EP too. It's called a compromise. As for his deal, illustrated earlier, that by the time he's 29-30, his cap hit will be close, then virtually identical to what we paid D and H Sedin's, often touted as "team friendly" deals. 13.89% now stings but he's not getting, he's getting 8.8% this year and the first year it drops to around 13.1%. Think that puts him with Luongo and Naslund, highest cap percentage. Each year it starts to get more palatable. And it's pretty good as is. A little more than Panarin (100k?) and a little bit more then Nylander. Those taxes don't help, also why it's a little bit more than Barkov once the 5% raise or 550k is added to it. That's part of doing business in Vancouver, TO and MTL. EPs contract came in right where it was supposed to. Is it too much? Well im not excepting him to score 40 goals and 100 points every season, but the reality is we need him too at that price, the first 2-3 seasons. I'd value EP right around where they did in Vancouver, know in a different market, they would have being able to shave 500k off pretty easily. It's still a good deal. He's 25! Likely going to own the record books by the time his deals done, and gets to be part of two different cores. This this could end up going through another decade of prosperity and good hockey...2002-2012 sort of thing. Edited March 5 by IBatch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 hours ago, DeNiro said: When everyone was pushing the high stakes season narrative before the season I guess they weren’t far off… Spot on... This season was not just about trying to reach the play offs... Its was just as much a show of strength and what the future might hold for this team. Petey and others needed to know, that we would be starting to compete, and not just hang around the garbage end throughout his career...much Bo did... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Anyway you slice it, having EP around his entire prime, verus a Tavares, or Stamkos, or Mathews like situation, where you risk losing your star player by signing deals that take them right to free agency, it's a lot more fun this way.. EP didn't want to sign long term yet either, turned it down, so JB moved on. That's how it happened. Worked out great for us and well for EP too. It's called a compromise. As for his deal, illustrated earlier, that by the time he's 29-30, his cap hit will be close, then virtually identical to what we paid D and H Sedin's, often touted as "team friendly" deals. 13.89% now stings but he's not getting, he's getting 8.8% this year and the first year it drops to around 13.1%. Think that puts him with Luongo and Naslund, highest cap percentage. Each year it starts to get more palatable. And it's pretty good as is. A little more than Panarin (100k?) and a little bit more then Nylander. Those taxes don't help, also why it's a little bit more than Barkov once the 5% raise or 550k is added to it. That's part of doing business in Vancouver, TO and MTL. EPs contract came in right where it was supposed to. Is it too much? Well im not excepting him to score 40 goals and 100 points every season, but the reality is we need him too at that price, the first 2-3 seasons. I'd value EP right around where they did in Vancouver, know in a different market, they would have being able to shave 500k off pretty easily. It's still a good deal. He's 25! Likely going to own the record books by the time his deals done, and gets to be part of two different cores. This this could end up going through another decade of prosperity and good hockey...2002-2012 sort of thing. Petey would have signed long term but Benning (the Moran) didn’t have enough cap room, because of signing old guys to bloated contracts, to get both Petey and Hughes done. Benning’s “day to day” no plan was why Petey is going g to be at 12.6 instead of 8.6. IMHAO Benning, the Moran, never wanted Petey. He wanted Glass and was forced (by Linden) into Petey and held a moran’s grudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 15 hours ago, Provost said: An unemployed former AGM of an era of stunning futility defending his own moves and taking credit for the new regime getting them out of the mud? Of course that is a nonsense source. Find someone credible supporting what he is saying. Why would anyone credible bother challenging Gear’s claims. He isn’t in hockey anymore. Exactly! If Benning, the Moran, wasn’t such a fool Petey would have signed 8 x 8.6. And Hughes would have been and 8 year deal too. For this Gear guy to try and cover for his own ineptitude (and the Moran) is childish. Benning, the Moran, didn’t want Petey. Gear was a nose in bum employee. And he still is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Alflives said: Petey would have signed long term but Benning (the Moran) didn’t have enough cap room, because of signing old guys to bloated contracts, to get both Petey and Hughes done. Benning’s “day to day” no plan was why Petey is going g to be at 12.6 instead of 8.6. IMHAO Benning, the Moran, never wanted Petey. He wanted Glass and was forced (by Linden) into Petey and held a moran’s grudge. That's a funny dialogue. He was a Moran, no doubt there. That said, the money was there, and offered. Personally was happy he staggered QHs and EP, whether by fluke, ineptitude or, well tactics. EPs the big winner here. Let's hope he doesn't pull a PK Subban once the Brinks trucks arrive at Roger's. The one factor that you have to add, or metric, what do you think would happen, if both EP and QHs signed for 7 years? They were both offered 8. Didn't take it. And as much as you'd like to bash the former regime, the money was there. For 8 years. Neither had done enough yet, to get 9. 8.5 x 8 was there even with the "bloated deals". Edited March 5 by IBatch 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, IBatch said: That's a funny dialogue. He was a Moran, no doubt there. That said, the money was there, and offered. Personally was happy he staggered QHs and EP, whether by fluke, ineptitude or, well tactics. EPs the big winner here. Let's hope he doesn't pull a PK Subban once the Brinks trucks arrive at Roger's. A likeable Moran though. Gillis was a prickly pear. JR is a prickly pear. Benning was a likeable Moran. Rather we are winning and have prickly pears than likeable morans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Alflives said: A likeable Moran though. Gillis was a prickly pear. JR is a prickly pear. Benning was a likeable Moran. Rather we are winning and have prickly pears than likeable morans. You can be both. Quin was. RIP. Well likeable, certainly not a Moran. Edited March 5 by IBatch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 50 minutes ago, Alflives said: A likeable Moran though. Gillis was a prickly pear. JR is a prickly pear. Benning was a likeable Moran. Rather we are winning and have prickly pears than likeable morans. If you have to choose... yes 100%... we don't have to live with them, so who cares if they are prickly... Winning is the name of the game... now if we are lucky, they are both, and then its so much better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/2/2024 at 9:16 AM, Coconuts said: If Pettersson took a discount it's likely by a few hundred thousand, which amounts to nothing really Maybe that extra 400k makes the difference for a bottom six guy, but he simply got close to market value imo Most stars don't take significant discounts, or discounts at all Or you can look at how his value was arguably 12 million and rumours were he wanted a shorter deal to go for one more big contract in his late 20s and he took 400k x 8 years instead that’s 3.2 million over his contract and maybe more cuz he signed the 8 years, this contract starts getting mad value roughly same time millers contract starts to lose value ….tidy work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sativika Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Let's go Petey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisgruntledNucksFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I’m still mad they are paying him more than Miller … he’s been our best player since we’ve acquired him . Now Brock’s agent will be sharpening his pencil . I’ll be pulling out one of my favourite burkie quotes for that one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 We should also give some credit to Assistant GM Émilie Castonguay here for handling the tough negotiations and getting Petey for 8 years under 12 million. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43isprime Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 10:11 PM, 43isprime said: Looking at 10-game rolling averages over the entire season, Pettersson has 16 such stretches where he averages under 1 point per game. MacKinnon has 2. McDavid has 6. Nylander has 5. Matthews has 8. Pastrnak has 1. Star players can go pointless in particular games, but they don't go long stretches with subpar play. Mcdavid, Matthews, Mackinnon, Pastrnak, and Nylander have combined for 2 games in which they were held shotless. Pettersson has 6. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/3/2024 at 10:37 PM, MeanSeanBean said: That's certainly an opinion A logical opinion based on very good reasoning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 @43isprime has pretty much said everything that I’ve wanted to say in this thread. My work in this thread is pretty much done, nothing to see here folks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 6:05 AM, Metal Face Doom said: "Large chunks' is a stretch. No…..it really isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 On 3/5/2024 at 7:11 PM, 43isprime said: Looking at 10-game rolling averages over the entire season, Pettersson has 16 such stretches where he averages under 1 point per game. MacKinnon has 2. McDavid has 6. Nylander has 5. Matthews has 8. Pastrnak has 1. Star players can go pointless in particular games, but they don't go long stretches with subpar play. I hate to admit it but everyone in this thread should be paying attention to this post right here. This is absolutely one reason why I’m a bit nervous about this contract to Petey. I like the player and I like the term, but he’s not a franchise player as of this writing and the statistics above is living proof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 13 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said: No…..it really isn’t. Yes it is. When you're on pace for 90-100 points, large chunks is a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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