gwarrior Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 8 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Anyone else get worried a deal was actually done because the board crashed? Now that you mention it........ I do wonder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 9 minutes ago, Chicken. said: Might as well put a final guess. 8 x $11 for $88m makes Petey well over a $100m man That's a 100 Ted Debiases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksNation Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 11.5 for 8 years. Looks like my Petey speculation and comments have worked. You’re welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 My guess is 10.82m I think he will leave about a mill per on the table for the chance to win with his friends. He knows the great bargains Miller, Huggy, Demko are on and the great opportunity they all have together. If he's too greedy none of them will get a cup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 48 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: because JT is not a 8 million dollar player? he's prolly closer to a 9 9.5mil player but his latter years the final 3-4 he's prolly going to be a sub 4-5mil player.. say if he signed for 4 years at 9.5.. there's no guarante he even get 5mil in the latter 3 if he was to re-sign.. and even if he does that's still less than 8x7.. so he took the safe path. the major difference between the EP and JT deal.. you are pretty much guaranteed EP at his prime/peak during the entire contract vs JT prime/peak during maybe 50% of his contract.. if by your standard.. then there should be no one signing a contract more than jack hughes or quinn hughes in the nhl ever until their contract expires because both took a gamble on their contract and lost? I hear you but prime/ peak is wishful, our basis and assumptions better off on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamer4GM Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 hours ago, Devron said: Like I said media is always stirring up crap then one day we see a report like this. And all the negative bickering and speculation for nothing The ongoing loop this conversation has become on 650 radio at least in the past couple weeks has been nothing short of nauseating 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, higgyfan said: Miller was signed during the cap freeze era. The recent signings are showing a substanial increase in the salary cap. If JT was signing his contract this year, he would be in for big $; due to the cap increase and his hugely improved game. Goalies (Demko) rarely get the $ that star forwards sign for. QH will undoubtably get a larger $ because he is the best player on the team and will be signing 3yrs from now, so the cap will have increased. The other players you added are not core players, so their contracts will not be in the league of Petey, Quinn and Demko (JT is core, but his contract reflects the time it was signed). The other players will get an increase in $, due to improved play AND due to the increase in salary cap. Sure but wasn't JT a 100 point player during/before/after he signed it? Is Vaselevski or Bob comparable in price to TD? QH obviously goes huge...but not for a few more years giving us a window as TD's contract has. NK EL PH and the also not mentioned TB JD offered as examples of future players due raises that we need some cap room for. Edited February 29 by Catman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 28 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said: Curious. What do you think he's worth? Fair market value? 85-90 mil total dollars 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 14 minutes ago, NucksNation said: 11.5 for 8 years. Looks like my Petey speculation and comments have worked. You’re welcome. 13 minutes ago, Hammertime said: My guess is 10.82m I think he will leave about a mill per on the table for the chance to win with his friends. He knows the great bargains Miller, Huggy, Demko are on and the great opportunity they all have together. If he's too greedy none of them will get a cup. 35 minutes ago, occ78 said: 10-10.5 hopefully or less 27 minutes ago, Chicken. said: Might as well put a final guess. 8 x $11 for $88m makes Petey well over a $100m man 26 minutes ago, Jester13 said: 8 x $11.875 for $95m We should make a poll. See whose guess is the closest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said: And now for something completely different what’s with these ads at the top of the screen… Good grief… Wooo… perfect self burn! I guess you didn’t know it is based on your own search history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) I try to put on a post so that I can refer to it and see how I felt about a move at the time. That is the fair way to judge it, no matter how it turns out. No one can tell the future. I would be fine with an $11.5 max term contract, under that I think it is a win by the team. I think it probably ends up a little more than Nylander just for optics. Like $11.8. At $12 million I feel pretty neutral about whether is is signed or traded. Above $12 and I get antsy about how it affects our salary structure for the rest of the team. Edited February 29 by Provost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, gwarrior said: Like that episode of king of the hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 44 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Do you honestly think Miller is an $8M player? In my mind, he's playing like a $12M player, so to consider Petey being paid $12M is saying he's better than Miller is just ridiculous. What it would imply is that Miller is underpaid, not that Petey is overpaid. Miller is an 8 million dollar player this is fact. Petey is a 7.5 milloin dollar player this is fact. How does EP grab 4 million more than JT? Oh and by the way honesty has nothing to do with our interactions here cause we are all liars shouting in an empty room. Edited February 29 by Catman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, Jaimito said: We should make a poll. See whose guess is the closest. Prices right rules 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Prices right rules Bob Barker is rolling over in his grave over this 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 5 minutes ago, Catman said: Miller is an 8 million dollar player this is fact. Petey is a 7.5 milloin dollar player this is fact. How does EP grab 4 million more than JT? Oh and by the way honesty has nothing to do with our interactions here cause we are all liars shouting in an empty room. agreed...JT provides so much more than petey that is why I was fine with trading him at 12m per that is too much but oh well...we have some great talent if that actually happens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, Hammertime said: Prices right rules 1 minute ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Bob Barker is rolling over in his grave over this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Are you a cat? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said: My math says $11.5 7.35 + 4.15 = 11.5 8 x 11.5 - I can live with that contract Must be a keying error on my part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 10 minutes ago, Catman said: Miller is an 8 million dollar player this is fact. Petey is a 7.5 milloin dollar player this is fact. How does EP grab 4 million more than JT? Oh and by the way honesty has nothing to do with our interactions here cause we are all liars shouting in an empty room. I mean in terms of effective value on the ice, not how much they're actually paid. If Miller was paid $1M would you make the argument that Petey shouldn't get more than $1M or would you consider maybe that Miller is on a steal of a deal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakystink Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 4 minutes ago, Mac said: agreed...JT provides so much more than petey that is why I was fine with trading him at 12m per that is too much but oh well...we have some great talent if that actually happens But signing him to an 8 year deal, you are banking on his potential . He claims he wants to win and him signing a contract to 8 yrs over 11m is handicapping us with re-signing and signing other players in the future. Think he gets more than Miller but hoping it's not a whole lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43isprime Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 (edited) 8 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I mean in terms of effective value on the ice, not how much they're actually paid. If Miller was paid $1M would you make the argument that Petey shouldn't get more than $1M or would you consider maybe that Miller is on a steal of a deal? I suppose it goes the other way too - if Nylander was getting paid $11.5m, does Pettersson necessarily have to get more, or would you consider that Nylander might be overpaid? Edited February 29 by 43isprime 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: because JT is not a 8 million dollar player? he's prolly closer to a 9 9.5mil player but his latter years the final 3-4 he's prolly going to be a sub 4-5mil player.. say if he signed for 4 years at 9.5.. there's no guarante he even get 5mil in the latter 3 if he was to re-sign.. and even if he does that's still less than 8x7.. so he took the safe path. the major difference between the EP and JT deal.. you are pretty much guaranteed EP at his prime/peak during the entire contract vs JT prime/peak during maybe 50% of his contract.. if by your standard.. then there should be no one signing a contract more than jack hughes or quinn hughes in the nhl ever until their contract expires because both took a gamble on their contract and lost? I get you but how to compare or to gamble on prime/recent production or expectations? Been a huge EP fan up until lately. But it's been a tough stretch cause he's so streaky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 3 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I mean in terms of effective value on the ice, not how much they're actually paid. If Miller was paid $1M would you make the argument that Petey shouldn't get more than $1M or would you consider maybe that Miller is on a steal of a deal? And by this logic, all real estate in BC is far overpriced for what it's worth, and what the average person can earn. Sadly the free market, is all about greed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 9 minutes ago, 43isprime said: I suppose it goes the other way too - if Nylander was getting paid $11.5m, does Pettersson necessarily have to get more, or would you consider that Nylander might be overpaid? Indeed, this is a good point to consider too. It all sort of becomes relative, which does somewhat muddy the waters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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