UncleBen Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 18 minutes ago, Satchmo said: You are wasting your time I'm afraid. As you imply, we are all just to stupid to understand. Don't worry though we will all die off soon from the effects of the vaccine. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/ I'm sure you will say this is a rag instead of considering the information.This is a reputable news company that is trying to keep up with new data being released instead of having Stockholm syndrome like some here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 9 minutes ago, UncleBen said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/ I'm sure you will say this is a rag instead of considering the information.This is a reputable news company that is trying to keep up with new data being released instead of having Stockholm syndrome like some here. dude, has anyone thanked you for the job you're doing in here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 minutes ago, UncleBen said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/ I'm sure you will say this is a rag instead of considering the information.This is a reputable news company that is trying to keep up with new data being released instead of having Stockholm syndrome like some here. 1 hour ago, DSVII said: The study found that across Europe, the US and Australia there had been more than one million excess deaths in 2020, at the height of the pandemic, but also 1.2 million in 2021 and 800,000 and 2022 after measures were implemented. Researchers said the figure included deaths from Covid-19, but also the “indirect effects of the health strategies to address the virus spread and infection”. ‐----- Gotta strip out the covid deaths from the stat out to make your point. You're so clever! You caught me! Believe me, I am a man who considers things before making conclusions. My conclusion is that you are spouting nonsense. Stockholm syndrome, echo chambers... I'm impressed with your use of derogatory catch phrases. Have you considered sheep or sheeple? Puppets? Anyway, I am done with this silliness. Best of luck in your future endeavors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBen Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, Satchmo said: You're so clever! You caught me! Believe me, I am a man who considers things before making conclusions. My conclusion is that you are spouting nonsense. Stockholm syndrome, echo chambers... I'm impressed with your use of derogatory catch phrases. Have you considered sheep or sheeple? Puppets? Anyway, I am done with this silliness. Best of luck in your future endeavors. The inventor of MRNA ..his own words not mine.Its hard to believe that people want to double down on the propoganda they were fed instead of getting to the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, UncleBen said: The inventor of MRNA ..his own words not mine.Its hard to believe that people want to double down on the propoganda they were fed instead of getting to the truth Not all hero's wear capes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 7 minutes ago, UncleBen said: The inventor of MRNA ..his own words not mine.Its hard to believe that people want to double down on the propoganda they were fed instead of getting to the truth If you are so open minded and so fond of investigating things one of the first things you could do is investigate Malone's claim that he invented MNRA vaccines. Yes, he had some involvement at the outset of research but 'inventor' is just another falsehood. (or propaganda if you prefer that term.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBen Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 https://crimeagainsthumanityfilm.com/robert-malone/ SHARE AND DOWNLOAD TRAILER HERE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY DONATE ROBERT W. MALONE, MD, MS PHYSICIAN AND BIOCHEMIST CV SCIENCE RESEARCH Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (and DNA vaccines). He also discovered lipid mediated and naked RNA transfection technologies. This is important because it is his role in the invention of these technologies that gave him the initial credibility to speak on the subject of mRNA vaccines. When main stream media and the government decided to censor him and deny his role in these discoveries, they have a purpose. That purpose was to stop him from being a legitimate expert. Those newspaper articles are still front and center on google. Because the government can not handle the truth and must censor and delegitimize dissenting voices. It all started when he was at the Salk Institute in 1987 and 1988. There, he pioneered in-vitro RNA transfection and also in-vivo RNA transfection (in frog embryos, as well as mice). This resulted in his seminal paper: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection RW Malone, PL Felgner, IM Verma. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) 86 (16), 6077-6081 His filed patent and disclosures from the Salk included in-vivo RNA transfection, mRNA as a drug, mRNA production, transient gene therapy and also methods for mRNA stabilization. These are available for review and can be found in the link below this statement. When he left the Salk Institute, he moved his research over to Vical in 1988. He brought over mRNA, constructs, reagents that were developed at the Salk institute by Dr. Malone. The first in-vivo mammalian mRNA experiments were designed by Dr. Malone in January, 1989: this included dosing amounts for the in-vivo experiments. As he had brought his constructs, plasmids, reagents from the Salk Institute, he was easily able to ramp up his research program at Vical - where he was the only employee actually working on this technology at the time. The first in-vivo mouse experiments were performed in February, 1989 when mRNA and DNA was sent to Dr. Jon Wolff via Fedex. Dr.Wolff and his technicians at the University of Wisconsin injected mice and rats. The initial patent disclosures for RNA and DNA vaccination were written by Dr. Malone in 1988-1989. Dr. Malone was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989. Dr. Malone wrote the patent disclosures (documents linked below). Dr. Rhodes and Dr. Malone designed the initial mRNA vaccine experiments, which were carried out by Dr. Gary Rhodes - in consultation with Dr. Malone. THE INITIAL mRNA VACCINE EXPERIMENT EVER PERFORMED WAS FIRST CARRIED OUT IN 1989 AND IS WRITTEN UP IN THE ORIGINAL PATENTS. THERE ARE IMAGES OF THESE EXPERIMENTS FROM THE PATENTS FOUND AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE. This body of work resulted in nine patents and numerous publications, yielding about 9000 citations for this work. The paper that showed that first in-vivo RNA transfection data: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection, R W Malone, P L Felgner, and I M Verma PNAS August 1, 1989 86 (16) 6077-6081; The paper was the first showing data for DNA and RNA transfection side by side for in-vivo (the first paper for in-vivo DNA): Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles, is the result of that work. In 1989, research was performed that gave rise to the groundbreaking patents on mRNA vaccination, all with a priority date of March 21, 1989. This is the same priority date as the Salk Patent application, showing that the two institutions were working together. These patents are the first published research on mRNA vaccination. The titles and links to the patents are listed in the documents below. These patents have proof of principle experiments on mRNA vaccines - that clearly document that the invention worked and that these are the first experiments showing this. Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA (or RNA) sequence, Patent US5589466A, Priority date 3/21/1989 Vical told Robert that they would license the Salk Technology (see Vical meeting minutes in the linked document page). Instead, they hired Robert’s thesis advisor from the Salk and soon after, the Salk dropped the patent and Vical never pursued a license from the Salk. Due to an employee contract with Vical, this stopped Robert from working in the field commercially for a decade. Vical claimed all the Salk research happened at Vical and sent a cease and desist letter. Dr. Malone carried on his research into mRNA and DNA vaccination during the 1990s, culminating in a mucosal patent that was issued in 2000 and had a priority date of 1996. He also helped revolutionize the field of cationic liposomes for the use in RNA and DNA vaccinations. This work was so far ahead of its time, that only now is the world turning to mucosal mRNA vaccination as a method of immunization. Unfortunately, the toxicity issues from the nano lipid particles that Dr. Malone observed in his research during the 1990s were never resolved. Furthermore, the addition of pseudouridine to the mRNA, which creates a synthetic mRNA has added even more toxicity and adverse events. These issues were not resolved prior to to or during the clinical trials. The government regulators have made little effort to investigate these issues. For a listing of some of his work, see the publications on the links at the end of this page. Scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories, Dr. Malone received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University Medical School (Clinical Research Post Graduate) , and in Pathology at UC Davis, He has almost 100 peer-reviewed publications, and has been an invited speaker at about 50 conferences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 40 minutes ago, Bob Long said: dude, has anyone thanked you for the job you're doing in here? No kidding. I can't possibly eat enough Taco Bell to do that much research. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Your article may win for having the most sensational title but I think that's all it wins. Malone and his co-authors “sparked for the first time the hope that mRNA could have potential as a new drug class,” though “the achievement of the mRNA vaccines of today is the accomplishment of a lot of collaborative efforts.” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, UncleBen said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/04/covid-vaccines-may-have-helped-fuel-rise-in-excess-deaths/ I'm sure you will say this is a rag instead of considering the information.This is a reputable news company that is trying to keep up with new data being released instead of having Stockholm syndrome like some here. It IS a tabloid. And 'reputable' is being very generous. It's rich considering your accusation that people have Stockholm syndrome, but you're in total denial about what's in front of you. In short, it's not a good source. If you do any university papers, tabloids are not a valid source. Again, this is a tabloid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 25 minutes ago, UncleBen said: https://crimeagainsthumanityfilm.com/robert-malone/ SHARE AND DOWNLOAD TRAILER HERE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY DONATE ROBERT W. MALONE, MD, MS PHYSICIAN AND BIOCHEMIST CV SCIENCE RESEARCH Dr. Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccines (and DNA vaccines). He also discovered lipid mediated and naked RNA transfection technologies. This is important because it is his role in the invention of these technologies that gave him the initial credibility to speak on the subject of mRNA vaccines. When main stream media and the government decided to censor him and deny his role in these discoveries, they have a purpose. That purpose was to stop him from being a legitimate expert. Those newspaper articles are still front and center on google. Because the government can not handle the truth and must censor and delegitimize dissenting voices. It all started when he was at the Salk Institute in 1987 and 1988. There, he pioneered in-vitro RNA transfection and also in-vivo RNA transfection (in frog embryos, as well as mice). This resulted in his seminal paper: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection RW Malone, PL Felgner, IM Verma. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) 86 (16), 6077-6081 His filed patent and disclosures from the Salk included in-vivo RNA transfection, mRNA as a drug, mRNA production, transient gene therapy and also methods for mRNA stabilization. These are available for review and can be found in the link below this statement. When he left the Salk Institute, he moved his research over to Vical in 1988. He brought over mRNA, constructs, reagents that were developed at the Salk institute by Dr. Malone. The first in-vivo mammalian mRNA experiments were designed by Dr. Malone in January, 1989: this included dosing amounts for the in-vivo experiments. As he had brought his constructs, plasmids, reagents from the Salk Institute, he was easily able to ramp up his research program at Vical - where he was the only employee actually working on this technology at the time. The first in-vivo mouse experiments were performed in February, 1989 when mRNA and DNA was sent to Dr. Jon Wolff via Fedex. Dr.Wolff and his technicians at the University of Wisconsin injected mice and rats. The initial patent disclosures for RNA and DNA vaccination were written by Dr. Malone in 1988-1989. Dr. Malone was also an inventor of DNA vaccines in 1988 and 1989. Dr. Malone wrote the patent disclosures (documents linked below). Dr. Rhodes and Dr. Malone designed the initial mRNA vaccine experiments, which were carried out by Dr. Gary Rhodes - in consultation with Dr. Malone. THE INITIAL mRNA VACCINE EXPERIMENT EVER PERFORMED WAS FIRST CARRIED OUT IN 1989 AND IS WRITTEN UP IN THE ORIGINAL PATENTS. THERE ARE IMAGES OF THESE EXPERIMENTS FROM THE PATENTS FOUND AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE. This body of work resulted in nine patents and numerous publications, yielding about 9000 citations for this work. The paper that showed that first in-vivo RNA transfection data: Cationic liposome-mediated RNA transfection, R W Malone, P L Felgner, and I M Verma PNAS August 1, 1989 86 (16) 6077-6081; The paper was the first showing data for DNA and RNA transfection side by side for in-vivo (the first paper for in-vivo DNA): Direct gene transfer into mouse muscle in vivo. Wolff JA, Malone RW, et al. Science. 1990;247(4949 Pt 1):1465-8. Cited in 4,750 articles, is the result of that work. In 1989, research was performed that gave rise to the groundbreaking patents on mRNA vaccination, all with a priority date of March 21, 1989. This is the same priority date as the Salk Patent application, showing that the two institutions were working together. These patents are the first published research on mRNA vaccination. The titles and links to the patents are listed in the documents below. These patents have proof of principle experiments on mRNA vaccines - that clearly document that the invention worked and that these are the first experiments showing this. Induction of a protective immune response in a mammal by injecting a DNA (or RNA) sequence, Patent US5589466A, Priority date 3/21/1989 Vical told Robert that they would license the Salk Technology (see Vical meeting minutes in the linked document page). Instead, they hired Robert’s thesis advisor from the Salk and soon after, the Salk dropped the patent and Vical never pursued a license from the Salk. Due to an employee contract with Vical, this stopped Robert from working in the field commercially for a decade. Vical claimed all the Salk research happened at Vical and sent a cease and desist letter. Dr. Malone carried on his research into mRNA and DNA vaccination during the 1990s, culminating in a mucosal patent that was issued in 2000 and had a priority date of 1996. He also helped revolutionize the field of cationic liposomes for the use in RNA and DNA vaccinations. This work was so far ahead of its time, that only now is the world turning to mucosal mRNA vaccination as a method of immunization. Unfortunately, the toxicity issues from the nano lipid particles that Dr. Malone observed in his research during the 1990s were never resolved. Furthermore, the addition of pseudouridine to the mRNA, which creates a synthetic mRNA has added even more toxicity and adverse events. These issues were not resolved prior to to or during the clinical trials. The government regulators have made little effort to investigate these issues. For a listing of some of his work, see the publications on the links at the end of this page. Scientifically trained at UC Davis, UC San Diego, and at the Salk Institute Molecular Biology and Virology laboratories, Dr. Malone received his medical training at Northwestern University (MD) and Harvard University Medical School (Clinical Research Post Graduate) , and in Pathology at UC Davis, He has almost 100 peer-reviewed publications, and has been an invited speaker at about 50 conferences. The first problematic sentence from right at the beginning is that he's an 'inventor' of MRNA vaccines. Oh really? https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ Much better source that critiques his claims. Edited June 4 by PureQuickness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 10 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Your article may win for having the most sensational title but I think that's all it wins. Malone and his co-authors “sparked for the first time the hope that mRNA could have potential as a new drug class,” though “the achievement of the mRNA vaccines of today is the accomplishment of a lot of collaborative efforts.” https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/24/robert-malone-vaccine-misinformation-rogan-mandates/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone I accidentally found one of the same sources by chance as you. The first one is a really good article. It tries to analyze what his claims are, debunks them, while including the claims of others. THIS is how you do a deepdive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 7 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: It IS a tabloid. And 'reputable' is being very generous. It's rich considering your accusation that people have Stockholm syndrome, but you're in total denial about what's in front of you. In short, it's not a good source. If you do any university papers, tabloids are not a valid source. Again, this is a tabloid. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-telegraph/ Source might be useful for after doing "research" if I ran out of toilet paper. No other legitimate use for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 https://torontosun.com/news/world/dr-anthony-fauci-admits-he-made-up-covids-social-distancing-measures-masking-rules 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, bolt said: https://torontosun.com/news/world/dr-anthony-fauci-admits-he-made-up-covids-social-distancing-measures-masking-rules There are no smoking guns in that article. But it sure is written in a way to make him look bad. Personally, I commend his honesty under pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bolt said: https://torontosun.com/news/world/dr-anthony-fauci-admits-he-made-up-covids-social-distancing-measures-masking-rules Yes, he made up the rules, which is what he thought was the best way of preventing COVID. Maybe it worked. Maybe it didn't. He didn't have any other pandemic to refer to it. Edited June 4 by PureQuickness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: Yes, he made up the rules, which is what he thought was the best way of preventing COVID. Maybe it worked. Maybe it didn't. But the politics of masking was hilariously obtuse. Most of it didn't work but we are in the age of virtue signalling. The direction arrows in grocery store aisles was definelty the difference maker. Edited June 4 by bolt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, bolt said: Most of it didn't work but we are in the age of virtue signalling. That's a piss poor description of what we are doing here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, bolt said: Most of it didn't work but we are in the age of virtue signalling. I get that you're a resident anti-vaxxer, but for someone who questions the science, you certainly don't question the 'other side'? What do you say about this? https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Fuck me running. Every time I think to myself "Well, self. People sure are fucking stupid. I don't think I can be surprised anymore" Life comes up and is like "Just gimme a quick sec I'll see what I can do" And sure enough, I'm surprised again 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 19 minutes ago, bolt said: Most of it didn't work but we are in the age of virtue signalling. The direction arrows in grocery store aisles was definelty the difference maker. Based on what? is the source thetruthisreal.biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 22 minutes ago, bolt said: Most of it didn't work but we are in the age of virtue signalling. I keep seeing this come up and I chuckle because y'all think it's a slight but more often than not it's people on your side of the fence guilty of it What is an example of virtue Signalling? And, when we want others to notice our virtues, we signal them. You might do this by displaying your muscles at the gym or by making a show of your large truck. So, when people virtue signal, they are telling you something about themselves that they believe is important - giving you a window into their self-image. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: dude, has anyone thanked you for the job you're doing in here? I just wanna thank him for Boil in a Bag Rice.... ....absolute genius.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, UncleBen said: The inventor of MRNA ..his own words not mine.Its hard to believe that people want to double down on the propoganda they were fed instead of getting to the truth While Malone promotes himself as an inventor of mRNA vaccines,[1][7] credit for the distinction is more often given to the lead authors on the major papers he contributed to (such as Felgner and Wolff), later advances by Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman,[3][19] or Moderna co-founder Derrick Rossi.[13] Ultimately, mRNA vaccines were the decades-long result of the contributions of hundreds of researchers, including Malone.[3][20][21] In April 2022, Davey Alba, writing for The New York Times, said that "[w]hile he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best", citing "half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone."[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Also: Starting in mid-2021, Malone received criticism for propagating COVID-19 misinformation and conspiracy theories, including making "dangerous" and misleading claims about the toxicity of spike proteins generated by some COVID-19 vaccines;[4][32][6][33] using interviews on mass media to popularize medication with ivermectin;[34] and tweeting a study by others questioning vaccine safety that was later retracted.[4] He said that LinkedIn temporarily suspended his account over a post stating that the Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation was also a board member at Pfizer, and other posts questioning the efficacy of some COVID-19 vaccines.[35][36] Malone has also falsely claimed that the Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could worsen COVID-19 infections,[1] and that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had not granted full approval to the Pfizer vaccine in August 2021.[37] Malone has promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as COVID-19 treatments.[7] In a July 2021 interview, Malone admitted to taking the Moderna vaccine, claiming that he did so due to suffering from long COVID, and because he and his wife needed to travel.[20] In November 2021, Malone shared a deceptive video on Twitter that falsely linked athlete deaths to COVID-19 vaccines. In particular, the video suggested that Jake West, a 17-year-old Indiana high school football player who succumbed to sudden cardiac arrest, had actually died from COVID-19 vaccination. However, West had died years earlier, in 2013, due to an undiagnosed heart condition. Malone deleted the video from his Twitter account after receiving a cease-and-desist letter from West's family. Malone later said on Twitter that he did not know the video was doctored.[38] On December 29, 2021, Twitter permanently suspended Malone from its platform, citing "repeated violations of our COVID-19 misinformation policy",[39][40] after he shared on that platform a video about supposed harmful effects of the Pfizer vaccine.[41][42] In an April 1, 2022 interview, Malone made the unfounded claim that COVID-19 vaccines are "damaging T cell responses" and "causing a form of AIDS". Malone claimed that he had "lots of scientific data" to back up his claim, but did not cite evidence.[43] In July 2022, Malone, along with two other doctors, filed a lawsuit against Twitter for suspending their accounts, alleging a "breach of contract."[44] 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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