bolt Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Im not the one chasing conspiracy theories. Fbi chasing conspiracies? Still waiting for your source that it didn't come from a lab. So the Lab leak is a conspiracy but the Wuhan seafood market isn't. Everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy? Edited June 9 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, bolt said: Fbi chasing conspiracies Still waiting for your source that it didn't come from a lab. Google not working where you are? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) Just now, Satchmo said: Google not working where you are? Google not working for you that it originated from a lab? You always believe the first thing you hear? Edited June 9 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Just now, bolt said: Google not working for you that it originated from a lab? You always believe the first thing you hear? I have looked at both sides of the argument Bolt. That's what I do. How about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, bolt said: Fbi chasing conspiracies? Still waiting for your source that it didn't come from a lab. So the Lab leak is a conspiracy but the Wuhan seafood market isn't. Everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy? Conversely, did you look for something, anything at all, that would make your "ideas" seem correct rather than trying to look at the overall picture? Your way of presenting evidence here is not unlike what you would see a flat-earther do, or someone who would think the moon landing was fake. There's "evidence" out there for that stuff too. It's why it's important to look at where sources come from. Just because it's a "source" does not make it a fact. Your source for example did NOT come from the FBI. Your source is an OPINION piece in the NY Times (behind a paywall I might add), meaning it's someone's opinion. An opinion is not fact. The fact that you're making it out to be from the FBI only really shows you to be a rather... dishonest individual. Why should I trust your opinion when you make false claims with where your sources are? Edited June 9 by The Lock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 56 minutes ago, bolt said: Fbi chasing conspiracies? Still waiting for your source that it didn't come from a lab. So the Lab leak is a conspiracy but the Wuhan seafood market isn't. Everything you don't agree with is a conspiracy? I don't need to show you a "source", you're the one desperate for it to be from a lab for some reason. What difference would it make either way to our response to it? I'm also not paranoid about "big pharma" I'm very happy we have the capacity to save lives those companies bring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, bolt said: Fauci is a manipulator and a fraud. Also responsible for funding the Lab that leaked Covid. He is not a hero but just a profiteer for big pharma. His entire career is a record of that.. pushing expensive ineffective drugs Your anti-big pharma stance would be a little more credible and consistent if you weren't also pushing right wing populist parties and subreddits whose entire agenda is to defund and starve public health and privatize it to their big med/pharma friends. As it stands. Your spread of misinformation on public Healthcare policy plays right into their hands. Youre the best investment they've made with what they're feeding into your algorithm. Edited June 9 by DSVII 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, DSVII said: Your anti-big pharma stance would be a little more credible and consistent if you weren't also pushing right wing populist parties and subreddits whose entire agenda is to defend public health and privatize it to their big med/pharma friends. I want to see the site where they teach you how to make home aspirin. Or cancer meds. Or heck, how about just a clean band-aid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 6 minutes ago, DSVII said: Your anti-big pharma stance would be a little more credible and consistent if you weren't also pushing right wing populist parties and subreddits whose entire agenda is to defund and starve public health and privatize it to their big med/pharma friends. As it stands. Your spread of misinformation on public Healthcare policy plays right into their hands. Youre the best investment they've made with what they're feeding into your algorithm. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/science/putin-russia-disinformation-health-coronavirus.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I want to see the site where they teach you how to make home aspirin. Or cancer meds. Or heck, how about just a clean band-aid. Well... technically there is Youtube and technically there are videos on 2 out of 3 of your requests. lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 4 minutes ago, The Lock said: Well... technically there is Youtube and technically there are videos on 2 out of 3 of your requests. lol I'm just going to leave it to my imagination as to which 2. I just find it so odd when people rail against pharma this hard. You know why pharma companies are big? because a lot of people get sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: I'm just going to leave it to my imagination as to which 2. I just find it so odd when people rail against pharma this hard. You know why pharma companies are big? because a lot of people get sick. It's weird in a way I think because you have the right wing who on the surface make these claims against large corporations, going against pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, etc, and yet, the people they listen to are bribed by the same large companies. I don't think it's bad to rail against these large companies, but it should be for the right reasons, such as when these companies barely have to pay taxes, etc. Going after what their actual products are when there's clearly a demand for them is just plain silly. Like, perhaps we should use the same mentality and go after gun manufacturers. Surely, that's a completely different thing than going after pharma! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Numerous agencies in the US label the lab leak as LOW CONFIDENCE. That is a step above unlikely. One reason why the lab gets brought up time and time again is because it studied coronaviruses and in some of those studies they manipulated those viruses. We have yet to see any evidence that they were studying coronaviruses that are genetically related to the virus that started this pandemic. The viruses that were used in their published reports are not genetically related. Another reason is because Fauci is the whipping boy and agreed upon scapegoat of US Covidiots. Similar to the ones who blame Dr. Henry, Dr. Tam, and Trudope. If they can't have the lab leak, then they would have to admit that most of their ire is misplaced and a lie. We know that they would just spin it and find some other way to hate on the senior health officials who were handed a global pandemic with a bunch of contrarian tinfoil hat MORONS who had social media to organize and grow their flock of sheep. They accuse everyone else as being sheep/NPC's but they themselves just parrot the same tired talking points they got from some poorly edited YouTube/Facebook video. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 10 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I'm just going to leave it to my imagination as to which 2. I just find it so odd when people rail against pharma this hard. You know why pharma companies are big? because a lot of people get sick. I find it hilarious because the alternative is either: Big government with even more restrictive regulations or Nationalization of the industry. AKA SOCIALISM. We know that a good portion of the covidiot, FREEDUMB Convoy crowd are NOT for any of that. Capitalism is king in their world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Numerous agencies in the US label the lab leak as LOW CONFIDENCE. That is a step above unlikely. One reason why the lab gets brought up time and time again is because it studied coronaviruses and in some of those studies they manipulated those viruses. We have yet to see any evidence that they were studying coronaviruses that are genetically related to the virus that started this pandemic. The viruses that were used in their published reports are not genetically related. Another reason is because Fauci is the whipping boy and agreed upon scapegoat of US Covidiots. Similar to the ones who blame Dr. Henry, Dr. Tam, and Trudope. If they can't have the lab leak, then they would have to admit that most of their ire is misplaced and a lie. We know that they would just spin it and find some other way to hate on the senior health officials who were handed a global pandemic with a bunch of contrarian tinfoil hat MORONS who had social media to organize and grow their flock of sheep. They accuse everyone else as being sheep/NPC's but they themselves just parrot the same tired talking points they got from some poorly edited YouTube/Facebook video. Sad. I also doubt the people spreading this "information" even know what they want in terms of an outcome. For example, let's say for a moment it turns out true (which is most likely won't). What then? Does it really change anything other than having someone else to blame? Like what's supposed to be the outcome to "being right"? "Winning" on a forum debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, The Lock said: I also doubt the people spreading this "information" even know what they want in terms of an outcome. For example, let's say for a moment it turns out true (which is most likely won't). What then? Does it really change anything other than having someone else to blame? Like what's supposed to be the outcome to "being right"? "Winning" on a forum debate? They'll just use it to say: If "THEY" were wrong here, they "THEY" must be wrong here. And here. And so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 17 minutes ago, The Lock said: It's weird in a way I think because you have the right wing who on the surface make these claims against large corporations, going against pharmaceutical companies, tech companies, etc, and yet, the people they listen to are bribed by the same large companies. I don't think it's bad to rail against these large companies, but it should be for the right reasons, such as when these companies barely have to pay taxes, etc. Going after what their actual products are when there's clearly a demand for them is just plain silly. Like, perhaps we should use the same mentality and go after gun manufacturers. Surely, that's a completely different thing than going after pharma! For sure all companies should be held to account. I wonder how many conspiracy big pharma folks take Lipitor? Or Viagra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 16 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: I find it hilarious because the alternative is either: Big government with even more restrictive regulations or Nationalization of the industry. AKA SOCIALISM. We know that a good portion of the covidiot, FREEDUMB Convoy crowd are NOT for any of that. Capitalism is king in their world. You forgot thoughts and prayers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, Satchmo said: I have looked at both sides of the argument Bolt. That's what I do. How about you? So you did your own research...doesn't that make you a conspiracy theorist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, bolt said: So you did your own research...doesn't that make you a conspiracy theorist? Naw. Only if "do your own research" is the retort for someone asking for sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 22 minutes ago, bolt said: So you did your own research...doesn't that make you a conspiracy theorist? It helps. So you avoided the question, what difference would covids origin make to how we had to respond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Just now, bolt said: So you did your own research...doesn't that make you a conspiracy theorist? I have read that sentence twice now and still have no clue what you are trying to say. Look, I am not saying the lab theory is false. (I will say that it is NOT the consensus you describe it to be as most scientists still disagree with it and believe in a natural origin.) I will also say that I am not ready to believe it based on anything I have seen so far. There is just not enough proof it is true, and plenty of proof that it is not. So, I'm saying I/you/we don't know for sure and we should not pretend otherwise. Lot's of things in this universe we don't know. No reason to just pick your favorite answer for these unknowns. To repeat what I've said a number of times in this thread - nature is perfectly capable of creating a deadly virus and needs no help to do so. It's done it before and will no doubt do it again. Here's some of my conspiratorial research if you're interested: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7982270/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/ "Mounting evidence continues to show that COVID-19 may have originated from a lab in Wuhan, China." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, bolt said: https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak/ "Mounting evidence continues to show that COVID-19 may have originated from a lab in Wuhan, China." And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: And? Well duh, smoking gun, because it "may" have come from a lab. Get with the program man! edit, sorry - forgot the [/sarcasm] tag. Edited June 9 by 6of1_halfdozenofother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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