tas Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, stawns said: I doubt hogz would see it that way. They'd be better off going out and getting a 4th line guy and leaving high wherd he is What kind of message does that send? Sure, work your ass off, show results but we're going to demoted you anyway because of, you know, identity the message it sends is that it's a team sport and line numbers are meaningless. how many times has tocc said he's a "puzzle guy"? tocc likes guys having defined roles, not just aimlessly promoting guys and hoping for the best. hoglander I'm sure would be more than happy to have the responsibility of carrying a line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) The reason they are trying to trade Lindholm is that they can’t re-sign him. Allvin doesn’t want to lose him for nothing. Most likely Lindholm wants $8 million+. Guentzel might be easier to re-sign. Edited March 6 by Elias Pettersson 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: The reason they are trying to trade Lindholm is that they can’t re-sign him. Allvin doesn’t want to lose him for nothing. That makes more sense then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: The reason they are trying to trade Lindholm is that they can’t re-sign him. Allvin doesn’t want to lose him for nothing. So why move him for another guy you're probably not going to extend? If they move him for a player with term, fine, but another ufa is a lateral move 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: So why move him for another guy you're probably not going to extend? If they move him for a player with term, fine, but another ufa is a lateral move PAJR can extend Guentzel though and already have significant familiarity with the player, as does RT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: So why move him for another guy you're probably not going to extend? If they move him for a player with term, fine, but another ufa is a lateral move Maybe they feel they have a better shot at extending a guy they see a good fit with and have a relationship with already. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: So why move him for another guy you're probably not going to extend? If they move him for a player with term, fine, but another ufa is a lateral move JR/PA know Guentzel and his agent very well. They probably feel they have a better shot at re-signing him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The reason they are trying to trade Lindholm is that they can’t re-sign him. Allvin doesn’t want to lose him for nothing. Most likely Lindholm wants $8 million+. Guentzel might be easier to re-sign. I heard the same thing on Kyper & Borne yesterday, as well from another source. Don't remember where though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, aGENT said: Maybe they feel they have a better shot at extending a guy they see a good fit with and have a relationship with already. Could be, but that doesn't matter if they can't afford him. I think most looked at Lindy as a rental anyway, so why not keep a good defensive C around for a playoff run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: Could be, but that doesn't matter if they can't afford him. I think most looked at Lindy as a rental anyway, so why not keep a good defensive C around for a playoff run? We could afford him, just need to make some other moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 (edited) To Boston: Elias Lindholm ($850,000 retained) To Vancouver: Jake Guentzel ($2 million retained) To Pittsburgh: Jake DeBrusk Fabian Lysell Boston 2025 1st round pick Vancouver 2025 4th round pick Linus Karlsson Salary cap works as each player would be traded at $4 million exactly. This is similar to the Lindholm trade. No way we should give up more than a B prospect and a 4th to flip Lindholm for Guentzel. Let Boston give up the bigger assets. Edited March 6 by Elias Pettersson 4 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: To Boston: Elias Lindholm ($850,000) To Vancouver: Jake Guentzel ($2 million retained) To Pittsburgh: Jake DeBrusk Fabian Lysell Boston 2025 1st round pick Vancouver 2025 4th round pick Linus Karlsson Salary cap works as each player would be traded at $4 million exactly. This is similar to the Lindholm trade. No way we should give up more than a B prospect and a 4th to flip Lindholm for Guentzel. Let Boston give up the bigger assets. I mean, yeah I'm down for that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Boston: Elias Lindholm ($850,000) To Vancouver: Jake Guentzel ($2 million retained) To Pittsburgh: Jake DeBrusk Fabian Lysell Boston 2025 1st round pick Vancouver 2025 4th round pick Linus Karlsson Salary cap works as each player would be traded at $4 million exactly. This is similar to the Lindholm trade. No way we should give up more than a B prospect and a 4th to flip Lindholm for Guentzel. Let Boston give up the bigger assets. If they're in this deal, offering a top C, why would Van need to add? It's not like JG is Crosby or Malkin. Id argued Van would be giving up the most valuable piece in this deal Edited March 6 by stawns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, stawns said: If they're in this deal, offering a top C, why would Van need to add? It's not like JG is Crosby or Malkin. Id argued Van would be giving up the most valuable piece in this deal The add is to get Guentzel. Pittsburgh want a similar return that Calgary got for Lindholm. Karlsson and a 4th is small peanuts to acquire Petey’s wing man for the playoffs. Edited March 6 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: The add is to get Guentzel. Pittsburgh want a similar return that Calgary got for Lindholm. Karlsson and a 4th is small peanuts to acquire Petey’s wing man for the playoffs. But EL is probably the best player in that deal, why would Van add to that? People here vastly overrate JG. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Everyone loves a 3 way...except the one that gets seconds, but I'd rather just trade Lindy straight up to Pitts for Guentzel. Let Dubass negotiate with Boston or any other team for a Lindholm return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integra250 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Mikheyev, Podkolzin, Conditional 1st round pick in 2025 (Becomes 2nd round pick in 2025 if Canucks do not win more than two playoff rounds) for Guentzel. Will that do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 25 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The reason they are trying to trade Lindholm is that they can’t re-sign him. Allvin doesn’t want to lose him for nothing. Most likely Lindholm wants $8 million+. Guentzel might be easier to re-sign. Well he isnt playing like a 7/8m player so trade him(does that happen after we just got him) id try him with Miller and Boeser, hope we don’t help Boston and trade Lindholm there, send him to Carolina for Morrow, 1st rd pick and something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, Viking said: Well he isnt playing like a 7/8m player so trade him(does that happen after we just got him) id try him with Miller and Boeser, hope we don’t help Boston and trade Lindholm there, send him to Carolina for Morrow, 1st rd pick and something else? They can't afford to lose a significant roster player for futures, imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Can anyone make sense of this please…. so we move a 30g 2way near selke calibre 2C for picks and whatever his name was. Flip that pick to get a dman, then need a 2C so we move a 39g scorer well after his stocks drop, pay to ship him to CGY with a mix of picks and prospects, acquire that 2C and dont even consider getting any sort of sign and trade in place prior to blowing all those picks and prospects to now ship the 2C we needed out, for a fuckin winger. WHAT?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 57 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Can anyone make sense of this please…. so we move a 30g 2way near selke calibre 2C for picks and whatever his name was. Flip that pick to get a dman, then need a 2C so we move a 39g scorer well after his stocks drop, pay to ship him to CGY with a mix of picks and prospects, acquire that 2C and dont even consider getting any sort of sign and trade in place prior to blowing all those picks and prospects to now ship the 2C we needed out, for a fuckin winger. WHAT?! Horvat was about as close to winning the Selke as Teddy Blueger. Also, Horvat was a pending UFA and wanted above market value, so we signed Miller instead and shipped him out. Kuzmenko was scoring goals last year even with Tocchet, so nobody expected him to regress like he did this year. So it made sense to flip him for a 2C/RW to play with Petey. Unfortunately, Lindholm is not at the level he used to be and is being used as a 3C. Also, from what I hear Allvin may not be able to re-sign him. A sign and trade was not possible because Lindholm most likely wants to wait until the summer. At the end of the day, we are going for the cup. There is no point in moving forward with Lindholm as a 3C. That's why we have Blueger, who has played great on our 3rd line. Petey still needs help and a pure goal scoring winger. That's why they are contemplating flipping Lindholm for Guentzel. Tocchet doesn't want to go into the playoffs with Mikheyev or Suter as one of Petey's wingers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: But EL is probably the best player in that deal, why would Van add to that? People here vastly overrate JG. The Lindholm of today is certainly not the best player in the deal. He is a 3C at this point. How exactly is Guentzel overrrated? He scored 36 goals last year and 40 the year before and was on pace for 84 points this year before his injury... Edited March 6 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Tocchet doesn't want to go into the playoffs with Mikheyev or Suter as one of Petey's wingers... To be fair, having one of Mik, Suter or Hoglander as one of the wingers on our top 2 lines isn't really the problem. They're all 3rd line/complementary top 6 guys. And most teams don't have 6 full fledged top 6 guys in their top 6. I'd expect to see all 3 rotated in those spots depending on game, opponent, health etc. But you DO need another legit top 6 guy to pair with Petterson. Miller-Boeser make a fine, legit top 6 pair. We don't have a "Boeser" for Petey right now though (Lindholm doesn't appear to be that guy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Blitz-Pix said: Everyone loves a 3 way...except the one that gets seconds, but I'd rather just trade Lindy straight up to Pitts for Guentzel. Let Dubass negotiate with Boston or any other team for a Lindholm return. There are no firsts in a three way though if the most valuable asset is protected, and everyone leaves semi-satisfied. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenMaverick Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: To Boston: Elias Lindholm ($850,000 retained) To Vancouver: Jake Guentzel ($2 million retained) To Pittsburgh: Jake DeBrusk Fabian Lysell Boston 2025 1st round pick Vancouver 2025 4th round pick Linus Karlsson Salary cap works as each player would be traded at $4 million exactly. This is similar to the Lindholm trade. No way we should give up more than a B prospect and a 4th to flip Lindholm for Guentzel. Let Boston give up the bigger assets. I mean... Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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