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4 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Or everyone needs to be cap compliant by game 1 of the playoffs

game 2 onwards is fair game still in this scenario?

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5 minutes ago, Moeknows said:

A really strong defensive team

WANT to play against us? Or would have the best chance against us?  Not the same thing.  I doubt any team WANTS to play against us.

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Just now, stawns said:

 

No, of course not.  Everyone should be cap Compliant for the entire playoffs.  

but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. 

 

and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. 

 

if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months?

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Just now, tas said:

but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. 

 

and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. 

 

if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months?

 

Same as you would for the reg season

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Just now, stawns said:

 

Same as you would for the reg season

I don't see any way of doing it without paying players for the playoffs at the same rate as their regular season salary. 

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7 minutes ago, tas said:

but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. 

 

and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. 

 

if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months?


Easy, there are daily caps calculated based on the days in the season.

 

They could simply say that in any given game you can’t ice a roster that exceeds the daily cap.

 

There would still be a benefit to have guys in the press box who can swap in and out…. But you can’t ice a $100 million roster in any given game so it is way less helpful.

 

It doesn’t matter at all that they have been paid, their AAV is how you calculate it.  It doesn’t even make sense to argue that, it is simply a cap calculation and not what they get on their paycheques for a particular week…. same as during the season it is a calculation that includes things like signing bonuses they got paid before the season even starts.  The in season cheques and AAV are not related.

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1 minute ago, tas said:

I don't see any way of doing it without paying players for the playoffs at the same rate as their regular season salary. 

 

Why?  Tell teams their payroll has to meet the salary cap, based on their regular season payroll.  They can have a list of call ups that can be used in case of injury

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40 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

Man. Vegas with the additions of Mantha and now Hanifin, are going to be a really tough out in the playoffs. I don't think we can compete with them in a 7 game series. They were already big to begin with, with a ton of firepower, and now they just got even bigger and added more offense to their team. 

 

It feels like we're not keeping pace with every team around us making deals and strengthening themselves. 

 

Two more players at Friday and we are ok.J.R wont seat back just like that.Question is who and how much?Maybe 2 B rated players can feet much better.Who knows

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6 minutes ago, Provost said:


Easy, there are daily caps calculated based on the days in the season.

 

They could simply say that in any given game you can’t ice a roster that exceeds the daily cap.

 

There would still be a benefit to have guys in the press box who can swap in and out…. But you can’t ice a $100 million roster in any given game so it is way less helpful.

 

It doesn’t matter at all that they have been paid, their AAV is how you calculate it.  It doesn’t even make sense to argue that, it is simply a cap calculation and not what they get on their paycheques for a particular week…. same as during the season it is a calculation that includes things like signing bonuses they got paid before the season even starts.  The in season cheques and AAV are not related.

the pa would never sign off on it. 

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6 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Why?  Tell teams their payroll has to meet the salary cap, based on their regular season payroll.  They can have a list of call ups that can be used in case of injury

it could be like those buy one get one free of equal or lesser AVV... meaning you cant swap an ELC injured with a 5mil AVV guy.

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6 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Why?  Tell teams their payroll has to meet the salary cap, based on their regular season payroll.  They can have a list of call ups that can be used in case of injury

because you'd have to convince the owners to fork over the players' half of revenue for the playoffs if they're ever going to agree to that rule. 

 

playoff revenue doesn't get split with players. they would never, ever agree to that. 

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1 hour ago, The Duke said:

Every deadline and every offseason other teams make moves and we act like it’s the end of the world.
 

I expect Allvin to make one more move at least but even if we stand pat, we have Hughes/Hronek plus a huge physical 2nd and 3rd pairings.  Rock solid Juulsen as our #7. An elite goaltender.

 

Two 100 point two-way C’s.  An elite 3rd line. Big, fast 4th line. Then Boeser. Hoglander. Lindholm fits in somewhere. Maybe we call up Podkolzin or Bains for some jump. We’re good.  Very good. 

 

 

This.

The other teams are catching up to our moves.

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13 minutes ago, tas said:

the pa would never sign off on it. 


Why not?  It doesn’t change the amount players get paid either individually or as a whole.

 

It may not even need their sign off.

 

The players do get paid for the playoffs in effect.  Playoff gate revenue is part of HRR, so I am not sure what you are saying a couple posts above about owners not wanting to hand over player’s share… they already do.

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4 minutes ago, Provost said:


Why not?  It doesn’t change the amount players get paid either individually or as a whole.

 

It may not even need their sign off.

 

The players do get paid for the playoffs in effect.  Playoff gate revenue is part of HRR.

when did that start?

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5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

So eer while everyone is busy bitching about Vegas ltir stone will be back game 1 etc etc what the heck did Vegas trade to Calgary? It’s been like 2-3 hrs now?


Miromanov was one of the rumoured pieces 

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2 minutes ago, tas said:

when did that start?


Since the salary cap was introduced…

 

It is different than players getting extra paycheques during playoffs.  It is that playoff revenue is part of HRR, so escrow or amounts paid to the players are affected by the playoff revenue.

 

https://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/hockey-related-revenues/

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5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:


Miromanov was one of the rumoured pieces 

Ya but what’s with the delay or the trade didn’t actually happen yet? Like Vegas have no prospect and I know nothing of this miromanov.. I expect like multiple 1st rounder since they have nothing to trade?

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37 minutes ago, tas said:

but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. 

 

and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. 

 

if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months?

The salary numbers are in place. The fact the players aren't getting paid should have no bearing on the matter.

 

Someone gets injured, someone else can take his spot, just like any other time. If LTIR is needed, so be it.

 

This is not complicated to implement. Getting it passed whatever idiot GMs/owners like it this way could be another story.

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Just take a snap shot of every teams salary cap on the last day of the season and then have an artificial salary cap in the playoff based on the players salary on the last day of the season.. you can have all the players with infinite salary on your team but you can only ice a team base on their salary on the last day of the season up to the max of the artificial salary cap problem solved, it won’t happen but it would solve the problem 

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