tas Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, stawns said: Or everyone needs to be cap compliant by game 1 of the playoffs game 2 onwards is fair game still in this scenario? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, Moeknows said: A really strong defensive team WANT to play against us? Or would have the best chance against us? Not the same thing. I doubt any team WANTS to play against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, tas said: game 2 onwards is fair game still in this scenario? No, of course not. Everyone should be cap Compliant for the entire playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I hope Vegas is paying an arm and a leg for this trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, stawns said: No, of course not. Everyone should be cap Compliant for the entire playoffs. but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, tas said: but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months? Same as you would for the reg season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeknows Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: WANT to play against us? Or would have the best chance against us? Not the same thing. I doubt any team WANTS to play against us. You say tomato... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just now, stawns said: Same as you would for the reg season I don't see any way of doing it without paying players for the playoffs at the same rate as their regular season salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, tas said: but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months? Easy, there are daily caps calculated based on the days in the season. They could simply say that in any given game you can’t ice a roster that exceeds the daily cap. There would still be a benefit to have guys in the press box who can swap in and out…. But you can’t ice a $100 million roster in any given game so it is way less helpful. It doesn’t matter at all that they have been paid, their AAV is how you calculate it. It doesn’t even make sense to argue that, it is simply a cap calculation and not what they get on their paycheques for a particular week…. same as during the season it is a calculation that includes things like signing bonuses they got paid before the season even starts. The in season cheques and AAV are not related. Edited March 7 by Provost 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, tas said: I don't see any way of doing it without paying players for the playoffs at the same rate as their regular season salary. Why? Tell teams their payroll has to meet the salary cap, based on their regular season payroll. They can have a list of call ups that can be used in case of injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 40 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: Man. Vegas with the additions of Mantha and now Hanifin, are going to be a really tough out in the playoffs. I don't think we can compete with them in a 7 game series. They were already big to begin with, with a ton of firepower, and now they just got even bigger and added more offense to their team. It feels like we're not keeping pace with every team around us making deals and strengthening themselves. Two more players at Friday and we are ok.J.R wont seat back just like that.Question is who and how much?Maybe 2 B rated players can feet much better.Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Calgary loading up on Russians after we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, Provost said: Easy, there are daily caps calculated based on the days in the season. They could simply say that in any given game you can’t ice a roster that exceeds the daily cap. There would still be a benefit to have guys in the press box who can swap in and out…. But you can’t ice a $100 million roster in any given game so it is way less helpful. It doesn’t matter at all that they have been paid, their AAV is how you calculate it. It doesn’t even make sense to argue that, it is simply a cap calculation and not what they get on their paycheques for a particular week…. same as during the season it is a calculation that includes things like signing bonuses they got paid before the season even starts. The in season cheques and AAV are not related. the pa would never sign off on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUSK v2.0 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Why? Tell teams their payroll has to meet the salary cap, based on their regular season payroll. They can have a list of call ups that can be used in case of injury it could be like those buy one get one free of equal or lesser AVV... meaning you cant swap an ELC injured with a 5mil AVV guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Why? Tell teams their payroll has to meet the salary cap, based on their regular season payroll. They can have a list of call ups that can be used in case of injury because you'd have to convince the owners to fork over the players' half of revenue for the playoffs if they're ever going to agree to that rule. playoff revenue doesn't get split with players. they would never, ever agree to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, The Duke said: Every deadline and every offseason other teams make moves and we act like it’s the end of the world. I expect Allvin to make one more move at least but even if we stand pat, we have Hughes/Hronek plus a huge physical 2nd and 3rd pairings. Rock solid Juulsen as our #7. An elite goaltender. Two 100 point two-way C’s. An elite 3rd line. Big, fast 4th line. Then Boeser. Hoglander. Lindholm fits in somewhere. Maybe we call up Podkolzin or Bains for some jump. We’re good. Very good. This. The other teams are catching up to our moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) 13 minutes ago, tas said: the pa would never sign off on it. Why not? It doesn’t change the amount players get paid either individually or as a whole. It may not even need their sign off. The players do get paid for the playoffs in effect. Playoff gate revenue is part of HRR, so I am not sure what you are saying a couple posts above about owners not wanting to hand over player’s share… they already do. Edited March 7 by Provost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 So eer while everyone is busy bitching about Vegas ltir stone will be back game 1 etc etc what the heck did Vegas trade to Calgary? It’s been like 2-3 hrs now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 minutes ago, Provost said: Why not? It doesn’t change the amount players get paid either individually or as a whole. It may not even need their sign off. The players do get paid for the playoffs in effect. Playoff gate revenue is part of HRR. when did that start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: So eer while everyone is busy bitching about Vegas ltir stone will be back game 1 etc etc what the heck did Vegas trade to Calgary? It’s been like 2-3 hrs now? Miromanov was one of the rumoured pieces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 minutes ago, tas said: when did that start? Since the salary cap was introduced… It is different than players getting extra paycheques during playoffs. It is that playoff revenue is part of HRR, so escrow or amounts paid to the players are affected by the playoff revenue. https://www.davemanuel.com/investor-dictionary/hockey-related-revenues/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Miromanov was one of the rumoured pieces Ya but what’s with the delay or the trade didn’t actually happen yet? Like Vegas have no prospect and I know nothing of this miromanov.. I expect like multiple 1st rounder since they have nothing to trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourTimeisNow Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, Grandmaster said: Of course. Watch Stone come back game 1 of the playoffs. What a joke To be fair, we did that in 2011… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 37 minutes ago, tas said: but how? the salary cap isn't that simple, the way we process it as fans. it's real math based on actual salaries, not hypotheticals. and the real catch: how do you cap salaries when there are none? the players have already collected their last paycheque of the year by then. if you say, ok, the cap compliant snapshot of the roster we take on game 82 has to be your roster all playoffs long, how do you deal with replacing injured players for those 2 months? The salary numbers are in place. The fact the players aren't getting paid should have no bearing on the matter. Someone gets injured, someone else can take his spot, just like any other time. If LTIR is needed, so be it. This is not complicated to implement. Getting it passed whatever idiot GMs/owners like it this way could be another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Just take a snap shot of every teams salary cap on the last day of the season and then have an artificial salary cap in the playoff based on the players salary on the last day of the season.. you can have all the players with infinite salary on your team but you can only ice a team base on their salary on the last day of the season up to the max of the artificial salary cap problem solved, it won’t happen but it would solve the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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