spook007 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, gwarrior said: Guy is gonna get a decent raise on his next deal. yeah, we are lucky its not for another year.... The coaches have done wonders with a lot of the players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, Bobby James said: I wonder if we could do Hronek for $6.75 - $7 million per for 8 years (give him full term to help keep the cap hit reasonable). Then Zad for 4-5 years at maybe $3.75 - $4.25. I also believe he is more like a number 4/5 guy typically and he definitely has some fumbles in his own end, but brings lots of other good qualities. I love the physicality and if that means we over pay by a quarter or half a million then so be it. If he wants 5 million or something like that then I think you gotta let him walk. The team needs to be built smartly to best support our core and overpaying a bottom 3 Dman unfortunately isn't a priority. $ 55 million over 8 years, structure it front loaded and signing bonus laden for keeping the cap number under 7m. $ 6.875m per, going to require trade protection I am sure as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: $ 55 million over 8 years, structure it front loaded and signing bonus laden for keeping the cap number under 7m. $ 6.875m per, going to require trade protection I am sure as well. Can't be a complete no trade. Hronek's not worth that. Modified No Trade Clause probably. He can submit a list of teams that he can be traded to. If Allvin can get his cap hit under 7M, that would be a massive win for this club, especially with the OEL cap hit counting against the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregon.duck Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I'm hoping for $6.25x8 Forsling got $5.75M and he's putting up extremely respectable numbers not playing with a Quinn Hughes. I'm hoping Allvin can convince Hronek that his value is tied to Quinn and I hope he doesn't pull an Anton Carter. Pay Hronek more for RD, but not much more than the Forsling contract, imho. I wouldn't overpay Hronek because of the bump he's gotten from Hughes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I think Hronek will end up signing around $6.75M a year. The other priority signings from what I understand are Zadorov, Joshua, and Blueger. Lindholm if he’s reasonable. Re-signing Myers is decent but nothing higher than $2.5M per season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: I think Hronek will end up signing around $6.75M a year. The other priority signings from what I understand are Zadorov, Joshua, and Blueger. Lindholm if he’s reasonable. Re-signing Myers is decent but nothing higher than $2.5M per season. This blueline hasn't looked this good since 2011. Coincidentally during a time where Myers is injured. I wouldn't bring Myers back at league min. 2 1 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, JeremyCuddles said: This blueline hasn't looked this good since 2011. Coincidentally during a time where Myers is injured. I wouldn't bring Myers back at league min. True. Very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, JeremyCuddles said: This blueline hasn't looked this good since 2011. Coincidentally during a time where Myers is injured. I wouldn't bring Myers back at league min. What we need is a replacement/upgrade on Cole. Other than that, I think we're good for next year assuming Hronek and Zadorov re-sign. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-??? Zadorov-Juulsen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, HKSR said: What we need is a replacement/upgrade on Cole. Other than that, I think we're good for next year assuming Hronek and Zadorov re-sign. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-??? Zadorov-Juulsen Cole has been great, just have to understand you can’t drive him like a rented mule at this stage of his career. He was playing a lot of hard minutes and you can see he has fallen off since being one of our best D men early in the season. Take away Myers and add Tanev in the offseason and that is a decent D core. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Tanev Cole-Zadorov Juulsen Cole and Tanev are placeholders until Willander and maybe D Petey can make the jump in 2-3 years 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Provost said: Cole has been great, just have to understand you can’t drive him like a rented mule at this stage of his career. He was playing a lot of hard minutes and you can see he has fallen off since being one of our best D men early in the season. Take away Myers and add Tanev in the offseason and that is a decent D core. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Tanev Cole-Zadorov Juulsen Cole and Tanev are placeholders until Willander and maybe D Petey can make the jump in 2-3 years Those are my thoughts as well. Depends on how much Cole wants, but I assume with his play and minutes trailing off, he'll be happy with a deal in the $2M range. I'm still hoping Tanev gives us a solid discount to come home. Imagine getting Cole and Tanev combined for less than $5M AAV... that would help tremendously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 42 minutes ago, HKSR said: Those are my thoughts as well. Depends on how much Cole wants, but I assume with his play and minutes trailing off, he'll be happy with a deal in the $2M range. I'm still hoping Tanev gives us a solid discount to come home. Imagine getting Cole and Tanev combined for less than $5M AAV... that would help tremendously. I doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I doubt it. Will be tough, apparently there are teams waiting with 5 million dollar contracts. We already know Tanev doesn't like haircuts, not sure he would take one that big to come home. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 53 minutes ago, Provost said: Cole has been great, just have to understand you can’t drive him like a rented mule at this stage of his career. He was playing a lot of hard minutes and you can see he has fallen off since being one of our best D men early in the season. Take away Myers and add Tanev in the offseason and that is a decent D core. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Tanev Cole-Zadorov Juulsen Cole and Tanev are placeholders until Willander and maybe D Petey can make the jump in 2-3 years Love the idea of signing Tanev in offseason but do believe we should also bring another depth Dman as a replacement for either him or Soucy in the event of injury. Juulsen has become a great option but think we might need one more 2way Dman in that lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 50 minutes ago, HKSR said: Those are my thoughts as well. Depends on how much Cole wants, but I assume with his play and minutes trailing off, he'll be happy with a deal in the $2M range. I'm still hoping Tanev gives us a solid discount to come home. Imagine getting Cole and Tanev combined for less than $5M AAV... that would help tremendously. I don't think Tanev is going to do us any favors. In fact he's probably a perfect match for dallas I would imagine he stays. I would much rather keep Myers over Cole especially if the money is similar. If we can sign Zad 4.5x5 I'll be thrilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surtur Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 the guy can make a choice be a legend in Van playing with QH or just be a "good" player somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Provost said: Cole has been great, just have to understand you can’t drive him like a rented mule at this stage of his career. He was playing a lot of hard minutes and you can see he has fallen off since being one of our best D men early in the season. Take away Myers and add Tanev in the offseason and that is a decent D core. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Tanev Cole-Zadorov Juulsen Cole and Tanev are placeholders until Willander and maybe D Petey can make the jump in 2-3 years It is a good looking D core... BUT Cole is 35 right now...I just don't think you get 2-3 years outta him...maybe 1 more year. If the price was right I could see us exploring a Brendan Dhillon signing (2 year contract) this summer. He's a UFA, big (6'4 225lbs), local guy (Surrey) and stated (2 weeks ago) that he'd love the opportunity to play for his hometown team. Both Cole and Dhillon bring a lot of the same elements, However Dhillon is 2 years younger, a little bigger and happy to drop the gloves if push comes to shove. Edited March 12 by Blitz-Pix 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Blitz-Pix said: It is a good looking D core... BUT Cole is 35 right now...I just don't think you get 2-3 years outta him...maybe 1 more year. If the price was right I could see us exploring a Brendan Dhillon signing (2 year contract) this summer. He's a UFA, big (6'4 225lbs), local guy (Surrey) and stated (2 weeks ago) that he'd love the opportunity to play for his hometown team. Both Cole and Dhillon bring a lot of the same elements, However Dhillon is 2 years younger, a little bigger and happy to drop the gloves if push comes to shove. Brenden Dillon would be a solid vet, but he's another LHD and unlike Cole doesn't play the right side. While theoretically we could move Zadorov or Soucy over instead, Tocchet seems to prefer playing both of those guys on the left side. If we're talking about grabbing a guy from Winnipeg's defense corps then I'm hoping DeMelo makes it to free agency. He would be a fantastic 2nd pairing RD behind Hronek. I'm sure he'll be looking for a raise this summer and at 31 isn't super young either, but personally I'd rather go after DeMelo than Tanev this summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I think it'll be 7.5 aav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 33 minutes ago, Diamonds said: Brenden Dillon would be a solid vet, but he's another LHD and unlike Cole doesn't play the right side. While theoretically we could move Zadorov or Soucy over instead, Tocchet seems to prefer playing both of those guys on the left side. If we're talking about grabbing a guy from Winnipeg's defense corps then I'm hoping DeMelo makes it to free agency. He would be a fantastic 2nd pairing RD behind Hronek. I'm sure he'll be looking for a raise this summer and at 31 isn't super young either, but personally I'd rather go after DeMelo than Tanev this summer. Yeah, the righty / lefty issue isn't solved with a Dhillon signing... I was thinking more as replacement for Cole...who I think has done everything (and more) than has been asked as him this year. Was just thinking Dhillon (who wants to be here) might come a little cheaper and offer a bit of a hometown discount. You're correct though, the right side is what should be addressed this off season....RHD don't come cheap. We all know Tanev is a warrior, It'll be interesting to see how he preforms this postseason, especially if they go deep. We all know the injury history and he's turning 35 next year, I just wonder how much gas he's gonna have left in the tank on 2 or 3 year term (It'll take him to 37ish) The guy steps in front of slapshots without fear and sells out on most shifts, which you have to love and respect but... It's a grind on the body at any age...but mid to late 30's might be to much to ask. Watching to see how he holds up this post season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 hours ago, HKSR said: What we need is a replacement/upgrade on Cole. Other than that, I think we're good for next year assuming Hronek and Zadorov re-sign. Hughes-Hronek Soucy-??? Zadorov-Juulsen Lyubushkin might be a cheap replacement option for Cole. Not as good but right handed at the very least. I don't think we would run a true 2nd pair. The 2nd and 3rd pair would likely average 16-18 minutes a pop. Which is around Lyubushkin's average the last few years being 16-17 minutes. Pesce's name is out there, I think he might re-sign, but if he doesn't I'd put cap aside for him. Moving Mik would give us a lot more flexibility. We have pieces we can replace him with within the team. Raty and Podz should be sniffing the NHL next year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elias Pettersson Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Pretty sure Hronek wants $8 million. I’d go hard after Matt Roy in free agency. Give him a 5x6 contract. Then I’d trade Hronek for Mason Marchment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To me a strategy management should use is asking the players as a group before contract time if they are happy and want to stay together and win.If so you only have so much money. You want to be on a winning team take fair value and nit a penny more. To me 7.25 to 7.5 is a decent amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So it's agree'd then. He should get less than Sergachev. 7.8 seems like the right number. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Hammertime said: So it's agree'd then. He should get less than Sergachev. 7.8 seems like the right number. It doesn’t say anything about Hronek getting less. He wants $8 million+. We were already told this. Maybe Allvin can change his mind. If not, he will be traded in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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