Bob Long Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, stawns said: A deal involving a distressed asset, a prospect and a pick would work for me! Which asset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I put up the Hanifin contract and say this is as far as we go. Hanifin is probably the better player but the cap has gone up a smidge. We are still paying for a year of RFA as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 19 minutes ago, stawns said: My top end would be $6.5m if he wants a long deal, $7m if he signs a three year one RHD elevates his value a little. IMO Edited June 15 by VegasCanuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 What it might take is go to arbitration. Find a steady dman to play alongside Hughes. Let Hronek anchor his own pairing (no inflated stats) and when he puts up 35 points next season let’s see who wants to offer him 8 mill a season in free agency. Tell his agent we’re interested in matching the highest bid and also adding in an 8th year on the contract. He’ll be signed for 7ish million for 8 years when they see nobody wants to spend that much on him. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I feel like Hronek playing along side Huggy is a miss allocation of funds. If he can carry his own pair then he may be worth 8m but we didn't see him do that. There isn't a 6-7m disparity between Schenn and Hronek as a partner for Hugs. Hughes would thrive with a 4-5m D partner that can log significant minutes, hold the fort and feather a pass along the blueline. There is only one puck. Hronek needs the play to run through him to realize 8m being a +value as long as he plays with Hugs the play will run through Hughes and Hronek will pick up byproduct points for performing a duty that could be done by a more cost efficient player suited to that skill set. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Which asset? I mentioned a couple, but there's definitely more options out there Laine, boqvist, 3rd pick Hronek and mikahev Or drop the pick and ask for retention on laine instead. Or ask for sillinger instead of boqvist. Kotkaniemi, morrow, 1st rounder For Hronek and Mikhaev Kakko, trouba, othman/sykora (or maybe both of you're taking trouba and kakko), 1st pick For Hronek, Mikhaev Those kinds of deal bring in assets as well as roster flexibility Edited June 15 by stawns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said: What it might take is go to arbitration. Find a steady dman to play alongside Hughes. Let Hronek anchor his own pairing (no inflated stats) and when he puts up 35 points next season let’s see who wants to offer him 8 mill a season in free agency. Tell his agent we’re interested in matching the highest bid and also adding in an 8th year on the contract. He’ll be signed for 7ish million for 8 years when they see nobody wants to spend that much on him. Very good strategy. Have a prove it season. He certainly isn’t putting up the same number of points or more without QH. The majority of his assists were secondary. He gives the puck to Quinn and gets points because of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 18 minutes ago, ArmchairGM22 said: Very good strategy. Have a prove it season. He certainly isn’t putting up the same number of points or more without QH. The majority of his assists were secondary. He gives the puck to Quinn and gets points because of it Would be a good strategy. But also risk losing him for nothing if he signs a one year deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 49 minutes ago, stawns said: I mentioned a couple, but there's definitely more options out there Laine, boqvist, 3rd pick Hronek and mikahev Or drop the pick and ask for retention on laine instead. Or ask for sillinger instead of boqvist. Kotkaniemi, morrow, 1st rounder For Hronek and Mikhaev Kakko, trouba, othman/sykora (or maybe both of you're taking trouba and kakko), 1st pick For Hronek, Mikhaev Those kinds of deal bring in assets as well as roster flexibility Yep I can see a path to any of those working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Yep I can see a path to any of those working It's risky and a big swing, but I think they need to do something risky and out of the box to get to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, stawns said: It's risky and a big swing, but I think they need to do something risky and out of the box to get to the next level. I don’t like Laine, but I’d do the second deal. Edited June 15 by Snoop Hogg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 6 minutes ago, stawns said: It's risky and a big swing, but I think they need to do something risky and out of the box to get to the next level. 100%. Of course there will be an error or two in the mix but I like this management group and the scouting group is more than a drunk weekend for Benning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Snoop Hogg said: I don’t like Laine, but I’d do the second deal. I like the Laine deal, as that one has the most upside and probably the least downside. He's a pretty prolific scorer, even when he's down in the dumps.......if they get him on track, he could be a 50 goal, 90 point guy........and he's only got two years left . I'm on the fence if I'd want boqvist or sillinger as both fill a need The Kotkaniemi one I like too because I think there's so much potential there for JK to grow and I like morrow as well. The Trouba/Kakko one is the riskiest and most out of the box, but I think it could be a big win, especially if they could get sykora and othmann Edited June 15 by stawns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 3 minutes ago, stawns said: I like the Laine deal, as that one has the most upside and probably the least downside. He's a pretty prolific scorer, even when he's down in the dumps.......if they get him on track, he could be a 50 goal, 90 point guy........and he's only got two years left . I'm on the fence if I'd want boqvist or sillinger as both fill a need The Kotkaniemi one I like too because I think there's so much potential there for JK to grow and I like morrow as well. The Trouba/Kakko one is the riskiest and most out of the box, but I think it could be a big win, especially if they could get sykora and othmann I have my doubts about Laine fitting into Tocchet’s system, being a one-dimensional sniper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, Bob Long said: 100%. Of course there will be an error or two in the mix but I like this management group and the scouting group is more than a drunk weekend for Benning. I honestly think that kind of deal is their best path forward with the cap space they have. We hear people here, all the time, talking about weaponizing cap space..... well, that's how you do it. And, if they do it right, they can solve some issues in the now and also plan for the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: 100%. Of course there will be an error or two in the mix but I like this management group and the scouting group is more than a drunk weekend for Benning. Oh man, Weekend At Benning’s would be a hilarious spoof of a movie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, Snoop Hogg said: I have my doubts about Laine fitting into Tocchet’s system, being a one-dimensional sniper. Maybe he's ready now? I didn't realize how much he was going through personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, Snoop Hogg said: I have my doubts about Laine fitting into Tocchet’s system, being a one-dimensional sniper. Sure, there's risk no doubt. That said, one thing I don't worry about with Finns is not having that base of knowledge, at least. He might be one dimensional, but he would have been taught a two way game from a young age.......all theyd need from him is buy in. On the flip side, despite the rhetoric, they desperately need some pure offense in their lineup and RT needs to be more flexible on that, imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, Bob Long said: Maybe he's ready now? I didn't realize how much he was going through personally. This is also last chance gas for Laine. If he shits the bed for the next two years, hrs probably back in Europe and missing out on tens of millions of dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 minute ago, stawns said: Sure, there's risk no doubt. That said, one thing I don't worry about with Finns is not having that base of knowledge, at least. He might be one dimensional, but he would have been taught a two way game from a young age.......all theyd need from him is buy in. On the flip side, despite the rhetoric, they desperately need some pure offense in their lineup and RT needs to be more flexible on that, imo 100% team buy-in to the defense-first mindset is what has led to the panthers' success - sam bennett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, stawns said: This is also last chance gas for Laine. If he shits the bed for the next two years, hrs probably back in Europe and missing out on tens of millions of dollars. Yep. Although he strikes me as the type that could be happy living a simple life. It's a heck of an interesting project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 minute ago, stawns said: Sure, there's risk no doubt. That said, one thing I don't worry about with Finns is not having that base of knowledge, at least. He might be one dimensional, but he would have been taught a two way game from a young age.......all theyd need from him is buy in. On the flip side, despite the rhetoric, they desperately need some pure offense in their lineup and RT needs to be more flexible on that, imo It depends on the player. Sometimes it works, like Boeser and sometimes, like Kuzmenko, it does not. I have a feeling Laine is more like Kuz, unfortunately, based on what we’ve seen from him in his career so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, tas said: 100% team buy-in to the defense-first mindset is what has led to the panthers' success - sam bennett. And Laine, being a finn, has that training, it's a matter of activating that training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Just now, stawns said: And Laine, being a finn, has that training, it's a matter of activating that training that's a pretty huge leap of faith after the first 8 years of his career in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: Yep. Although he strikes me as the type that could be happy living a simple life. It's a heck of an interesting project. Then you move Miller into the bumper dpog and have Petey and Laine blasting from either side Boeser Laine Petey Miller Hughes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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