Elias Pettersson Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, stawns said: He's not "a" great player, he "the" great player, whether you like him or that or not. He is one of the very few generational players to come along who changed how the game is played. To say differently is ridiculous People said those exact same things about gretzky How exactly did McDavid change how the game is played? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: How exactly did McDavid change how the game is played? Is that a serious question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Dominant many nights for sure. I'm struggling with the 'changed the game' part tho. McD does skilled things at high speed, but he didn't invent that. The game certainly changed to allow players to do those things. Even Sid had to battle through a lot more to do the things on the ice he did. Because of McD, it is truly a game given over to skill now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 minutes ago, stawns said: The game certainly changed to allow players to do those things. Even Sid had to battle through a lot more to do the things on the ice he did. Because of McD, it is truly a game given over to skill now McDavid didn’t have much to play with when he arrived in Edmonton. Yes, there have been other fast forwards but McD has been superior with what he can do at that high speed. None of the greats, including Gretzky, ever generated the ppg off that kind of speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: McDavid didn’t have much to play with when he arrived in Edmonton. Yes, there have been other fast forwards but McD has been superior with what he can do at that high speed. None of the greats, including Gretzky, ever generated the ppg off that kind of speed. I don't really even like McD that much, but to deny what he is and what he does is silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 16 minutes ago, stawns said: The game certainly changed to allow players to do those things. Even Sid had to battle through a lot more to do the things on the ice he did. Because of McD, it is truly a game given over to skill now That's an interesting thought, and actually kind of a good argument for why Sid is the superior player. So you really think the league adjusted it's rules specifically because of McDavid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: That's an interesting thought, and actually kind of a good argument for why Sid is the superior player. So you really think the league adjusted it's rules specifically because of McDavid? Absolutely I do and id take prime sid over prime mcd every time. That said, McD is probably the most skilled player of all time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 36 minutes ago, stawns said: Is that a serious question? Yes. Name one thing he has done to “change” the game? Scoring a bunch of points isn’t changing the game. Did any rules need to be changed like when Gretzky played? Are centres now playing differently because of McDavid? What new rules have been brought in because of McDavid? Edited March 12 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes. Name one thing he has done to “change” the game? Scoring a bunch of points isn’t changing the game. Did any rules need to be changed like when Gretzky played? Are centres now playing differently because of McDavid? What new rules have been brought in because of McDavid? Answered above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL Tyranny Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 McDavid's skill is awesome and at such a high speed that's hard to contain. I'd trade for him in a heartbeat. I will always loath Edmonton, not because of McDavid, but the egregious continuous tanking for first-overalls, to a point where it screwed all other teams because the league felt obligated to change to a lottery-based first-overall process. And despite the numerous first overall picks, Edmonton has yet to put together a true contender. I hope they have bad karma for the next 50 years. I hope McDavid leaves a big empty hole the Coilers can't fill because they never land another first-overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 What, there’s no game today? In my head there should be. Boooooooo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 (edited) 14 minutes ago, stawns said: Answered above Nathan MacKinnon also plays fast. So did Pavel Bure. I would argue Bure played just as fast as McDavid during an era of clutching and grabbing with a red line. Bure played most of his career during the dead puck era. If Bure was playing today without a red line and no clutching and grabbing he’d easily get 70-80 goals. Edited March 12 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes. Name one thing he has done to “change” the game? Scoring a bunch of points isn’t changing the game. Did any rules need to be changed like when Gretzky played? Are centres now playing differently because of McDavid? What new rules have been brought in because of McDavid? Yeah I have no idea what he's talking about. Bure did exactly what McDavid does. If anything, you can see that the rules clearly changed in 2005-06 (coincidentally the year after the lockout). In fact, when you dig into it, 2005-06 was the 1st year that the league began to crack down on clutching and grabbing. RULE CHANGE. The goals per game average spiked in 2005-06 to 3.08 GPG (was 2.57 the season prior). This current season, the GPG is 3.11, almost the same level as back in 2005-06. If ANYBODY changed the way the game was played (if the standard is rule changes), it's Sidney Crosby. Rookie year for Sidney Crosby? 2005-06. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Nathan MacKinnon also plays fast. So did Pavel Bure. I would argue Bure played just as fast as McDavid during an era of clutching and grabbing with a red line. Bure played most of his career during the dead puck era. If Bure was playing today without a red line and no clutching and grabbing he’d easily get 70-80 goals. I think you are discounting the relative speed of the game and especially the way modern defenceman can skate. ‘The dead puck era didn’t really start until they got rid of the tag up off sides rule in 96-97 and by then Bure had come off major knee surgery and head injury and while recovering he got saddled with he who shall not be named. I am not sure that his peak performances would have really been that much better today though definitely his career would have been longer and likely more productive overall given the advancements in knee surgery and less psychos playing who’s only job is to destroy the star players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I saw the skill comp this year. My jaw was on the floor as was most of the NHL players watching what McJesus can do. I still love to hate him but he is without question the best player in the game. Just probably should not have the C on his chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coryberg Posted March 12 Popular Post Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes. Name one thing he has done to “change” the game? Scoring a bunch of points isn’t changing the game. Did any rules need to be changed like when Gretzky played? Are centres now playing differently because of McDavid? What new rules have been brought in because of McDavid? The officials were given 3 new rules because of him. -if McDavid pouts... give the other team a penalty -if McDavid gets bumped....give the other team a penalty -if McDavid falls down and someone is within 6 feet...give the other team a penalty 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I just read this.... McDavid is the first player to win back-to-back NHL Fastest Skater competitions and the first to win three – and he did so consecutively. His three winning totals are the first, second and fourth times in the event all-time at 13.310, 13.378, and 13.454. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Nathan MacKinnon also plays fast. So did Pavel Bure. I would argue Bure played just as fast as McDavid during an era of clutching and grabbing with a red line. Bure played most of his career during the dead puck era. If Bure was playing today without a red line and no clutching and grabbing he’d easily get 70-80 goals. No Marchment's around either going after a players knees in a cheapshot hit either. Oh there's still cheapshot players in the league but nowhere to the same extent (imho) today. Biggest case of karma is that I *think* Marchment's career prematurely ended after throwing one of his patented 'knee on knee hits' (he ended up hurting himself in the process). Edited March 12 by NewbieCanuckFan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 On 3/9/2024 at 9:38 PM, RupertKBD said: Bbbb.....bbbb.....bbbb.....better than the Jets.... Rattlin' 'Roun' my head since I saw this. B-B-Better 'n The Jets.. Better! Better! B-B-Better 'n The Jets. Dal segno al infinitum Too good. Thanks man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rick_theRyper Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Vegas only holding onto the wildcard spot by 6 points Just imagine they drop out that would be epic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Rick_theRyper said: Vegas only holding onto the wildcard spot by 6 points Just imagine they drop out that would be epic! Theu did the same thing 2 years ago... but this year would be extra sweet! They play Seattle twice in the next 9 days and the wild twice at the end of the month. If either of those teams could sweep those games it would make things Hella interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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