TopChed Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 15 minutes ago, stawns said: Lindholm won some big faceoffs las night, especially against Nate the Great. That's incredibly important come playoff time. Didn't he also make that brutal pass at our blueline that ended up in the back of our net shortly after. I think he was out there for all 3 regulation goals against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, TopChed said: Didn't he also make that brutal pass at our blueline that ended up in the back of our net shortly after. I think he was out there for all 3 regulation goals against. Didn't say he's flawless, just that he does a lot of things that go unnoticed that are going to be critical in the playoffs Feels like because Myers is out, a certain portion of this fan base can't have that vacuum and EL is next up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 47 minutes ago, Jaimito said: The Warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 38 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Fact is, he will be a year older in his development and likely have better linemate(s), so yeah, he will get better and continue each season for a few years after that. Mackinnon passed the +100pt mark when he was 27yrs old and again at 28yrs. Pettersson passed the +100pt mark when he was 24yrs and likely again this season. During this time, Mack has had superior linemates. How would he do with: Hogs/Mack/Suter? Mack always has Makar/Towes as his defensive pair; while Petey rarely has Hughes/Hronek when playing 5 on 5. I doubt that EP will ever be the player that Mack (who was a 1oa pick, after all) has become, but he will certainly continue to develop his game and become an elite C. I agree with this part, but I'd argue the context of MacKinnon. MacKinnon took a while to get going, but he also stepped into the league at 18. It's true that MacKinnon didn't break 100 til 2022-23, but he's been on pace for 100+ since 17-18. 17-18 saw him put up 97 in 74, 18-19 was 99 in 82, 19-20 was 93 in 69, 20-21 was 65 in 48, 21-22 was 88 in 65, and last season was finally 111 in 71. Makar wasn't really a factor til 19-20, Nate had put up almost back to back 100 point seasons prior to him being a factor. Toews wasn't an Av at all til 20-21. Nate's most consistent top tier running mates have been Rantanen and Landeskog, but he also blew tf up in his own right. MacKinnon and Rantanen elevate each other, they both make players around them better. If anything it's disappointing that the closest thing Pettersson's had to that thus far is his playing with Miller, which isn't to disparage Miller, it just speaks more to the talent levels of the Canucks teams he came up on. A frequent gripe when it comes to Pettersson is that we've never been able to find him his staple running mate, management probably thought they might when Kuzmenko blew up but it didn't pan out beyond the one season. Maybe Lekkerimaki will step in, blow us all away, and be that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 33 minutes ago, Kanagan said: Cross our fingers. No need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua.Guy Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 12 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said: What the fuck does Pettersson have to do to get away from Suter. Holy hell. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 9 hours ago, IBatch said: Personally would much rather the league goes back to one ref. And give the lineman powers to blow down any missed majors, have the ref then review the play, and make the call official. We'd have half the refs we do now. It's awfully hard to build relationships with the players, when you've got so freaking many refs in the first place. Calls are still missed with two refs, and it's not really the little ones that matter anyways, it's the ones that aren't called when a scoring chance is created that matter. Bad calls are just as bad, because they give the other team multiple scoring chances usually. Want better reffing? Remove a ref. Let the lineman call a major that's missed, blow the play down. Let the rest go. Don't even pay attention to the two refs they announce before the game anymore. If you cut their fraternity in half ... you'd have the best of the best only. I agree. Too many idiots in the kitchen, so to speak. I've never been a fan of the second ref. One moron's enough. Another bimbo to clutter up the playing field; interfering in the play, far too often. Like you say, give the linesmen the ability to call missed calls. One ref. Two linesmen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IBatch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, stawns said: While I agree, the numbers tell us more stuff is called in the playoffs, making the special teams even more important Recently they've been calling more than usual, but that's limited to the first two rounds, first four games. As in compared to historically. After that Hudson Bay rules are back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 32 minutes ago, stawns said: Lindholm won some big faceoffs las night, especially against Nate the Great. That's incredibly important come playoff time. I'll grant you that one. He has a stellar face off percentage. But just being good at faceoffs wasn't enough from him last night. Or in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, IBatch said: Recently they've been calling more than usual, but that's limited to the first two rounds, first four games. As in compared to historically. After that Hudson Bay rules are back. That might be, but I couldn't find data to back that up, just playoffs in general 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopChed Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Joshua.Guy said: What the fuck does Pettersson have to do to get away from Suter. Holy hell. Play better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Barn Burner said: I agree. Too many idiots in the kitchen, so to speak. I've never been a fan of the second ref. One moron's enough. Another bimbo to clutter up the playing field; interfering in the play, far too often. Like you say, give the linesmen the ability to call missed calls. One ref. Two linesmen. Meh, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sometimes the 2nd ref does good, sometimes he doesn't. Whether the problem is the quality of the refs or interference from above, they just need to do better, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, kilgore said: I'll grant you that one. He has a stellar face off percentage. But just being good at faceoffs wasn't enough from him last night. Or in the playoffs. There are few things more important than winning faceoffs in the post season. It is absolutely critical 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Barn Burner said: I agree. Too many idiots in the kitchen, so to speak. I've never been a fan of the second ref. One moron's enough. Another bimbo to clutter up the playing field; interfering in the play, far too often. Like you say, give the linesmen the ability to call missed calls. One ref. Two linesmen. Yes. It's like they just need to call something at some point to feel like they are part of the game. And considering they wanted to increase scoring at the time, made no sense why they'd add a body, other then to call more penalties and that worked. They should have made them temps. And cut bait two years after the lockout. Used to be, you knew the refs intimately as a fan. What they would call, what they'd let slide. And felt for the most part, you'd get a fair game. That's been gone since the lockout, and it sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, TopChed said: Play better. Well before last night he only had three less points than miller since the all-star break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, stawns said: There are few things more important than winning faceoffs in the post season. It is absolutely critical scoring goals? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, kilgore said: Or in the playoffs. Yeah, but that was with the Flames. Issues abound in that dump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopChed Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said: Love Garland. Never change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, Joshua.Guy said: What the fuck does Pettersson have to do to get away from Suter. Holy hell. I'd put Podkolzin with Petey and the Hog. They've played well together a couple years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Kragar said: Meh, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sometimes the 2nd ref does good, sometimes he doesn't. Whether the problem is the quality of the refs or interference from above, they just need to do better, IMO. Anyway, the point is - it's an extra idiot on the ice who's cluttering up the playing field. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, stawns said: That might be, but I couldn't find data to back that up, just playoffs in general Historically, the whistles get put away. There is data suggesting that recent years, the first two rounds, first four games, a lot of penalties were called. Growing up, they weren't common. Pretty much a real scoring chance, spear, or boarding. Most cross checks and holds, hooks were left alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua.Guy Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 minutes ago, TopChed said: Play better. He'd look better if he wasn't playing with/off of a plug. He needs creative players to play with, it's kind of his thing. Suter isn't a goal scorer, isn't a defensive specialist, isn't a grinder. He doesn't retrieve pucks in the corners, he's just... there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, stawns said: There are few things more important than winning faceoffs in the post season. It is absolutely critical Quite a few actually. While winning faceoffs obviously will more times put your team in a better situation, there are things in the game more important. The Hockey News did a piece on that using Stoll as an example of a player who has declined in play but is still good at faceoffs. And I found a number of other articles saying much the same thing, that they are not as important as commentators make them out to be, for the results from the total time of a game. https://thehockeynews.com/news/why-faceoffs-arent-as-important-as-theyre-made-out-to-be What’s evident here is that Stoll used to be an effective player, but experienced a dramatic decline last season. His faceoff ability is consistently worth one or two goals, but his value depends more on what happens after the draw. Last season was his worst in that regard and that trend has only continued this season. Unsurprisingly, being a terrible player territorially who lacks discipline completely mitigates any faceoff prowess that Stoll still possesses. And that’s because each net faceoff win is worth much less than staying out of the box or winning the shot attempt battle. Even the best faceoff guys in the league will only add roughly three or four goals from winning draws, but that’s roughly six times less than what the best possession players can add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopChed Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, stawns said: Well before last night he only had three less points than miller since the all-star break How many goals against was he on for? Compared to Miller? How many goals did his line generate? Are Pete and his line outscoring opponents? What's the quality of competition? Maybe Suter's there to stop bleeding scoring chances against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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