Don Brodka Jr Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 This kid won't be anything special at The NHL level. He's just a guy! #5/6 Plug Defenceman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 9 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: that's terrible way to operate... you trade for needs.. not trade for whether or not you think a player will sign or not.. if ep doesn't sign they could have traded him for a replacement at lindholm caliber if needed. exactly and imagine how many picks and prospects we can stock up Pettersson at 11.6 is ridiculously high price he is not worth more than Barkov, Jack Hughes etc if we are paying him similar to Mackinnon he needs to perform like him and it is nothing like that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 8 minutes ago, occ78 said: exactly and imagine how many picks and prospects we can stock up Pettersson at 11.6 is ridiculously high price he is not worth more than Barkov, Jack Hughes etc if we are paying him similar to Mackinnon he needs to perform like him and it is nothing like that lol enough with the jack hughes crap.. he signed his contract coming off a 31 point season lol was he a 8mil player at 31 point? i dunno if they give him a 9mil + winger maybe he might perform like a mackinnon instead of these 3rd and 4th line players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/15/2024 at 7:09 AM, DrJockitch said: His comments about why he didn’t want to sign with us shows why trading him was the right thing to do. ‘He thought there were too many better players and prospects in front of him. ‘If he doesn’t believe in himself then have fun in Cow town Hunter, we prefer winners who try to take a position not ones that want it given to them. “I see a lot of potential of myself getting in there, either the AHL or the NHL, whatever it is. That’s obviously the goal. I see more potential here than I did in Vancouver, so it’s great. I can’t wait to see myself in a Flames jersey one day,” said the 19-year-old defenceman The optimist would look at this and think "It's pretty awesome that our prospect depth is good enough to dissuade a prospect from signing". Not a bad problem to have. On the other hand I kind of feel bad for Hunter if he is worried about Woo, Mcward and Johansson stealing his lunch money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 minutes ago, Coryberg said: “I see a lot of potential of myself getting in there, either the AHL or the NHL, whatever it is. That’s obviously the goal. I see more potential here than I did in Vancouver, so it’s great. I can’t wait to see myself in a Flames jersey one day,” said the 19-year-old defenceman The optimist would look at this and think "It's pretty awesome that our prospect depth is good enough to dissuade a prospect from signing". Not a bad problem to have. On the other hand I kind of feel bad for Hunter if he is worried about Woo, Mcward and Johansson stealing his lunch money. Probably more worried about overcoming Willander and D Petey who are further along in their development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol enough with the jack hughes crap.. he signed his contract coming off a 31 point season lol was he a 8mil player at 31 point? i dunno if they give him a 9mil + winger maybe he might perform like a mackinnon instead of these 3rd and 4th line players I wish folks would stop bringing up Jack Hughes Yeah, as far as forwards go he's the best bargain in the league, but folks often look at the cap hit while glossing over the context attached to it Devils bet on him before he blew up, it's paid off spectacularly for them Our version would have been Benning getting more term out of Pettersson Edited March 16 by Coconuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 28 minutes ago, flat land fish said: Probably more worried about overcoming Willander and D Petey who are further along in their development. D Petey is a left handed dman so that wouldn't be a roadblock but yeah , Hronek and Willander should be here for the next 8 years so that would make him a 3rd pairing PP specialist who gets 30 seconds a game thanks to Hughes and Hronek. Edited March 16 by Coryberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) On 3/15/2024 at 5:11 PM, NoCupSyndrome said: The Lindholm trade is a clear reflection of how uncertain mgmt was feeling about EP. If EP had signed earlier, probably a good chance they trade for a winger but if they don't trade for Lindholm maybe EP doesn't sign. Too bad EP didn't sign earlier but ultimately Lindholm's value won't be known until we see how he plays in the playoffs. Wrong. The Lindholm trade was a reflection of us needing more scoring and having a player in the doghouse in Kuzmenko available to trade back. Lindholm happened to have higher value than Kuzmenko; thus, the extra pieces we had to trade. If EP had signed earlier, this trade would likely have still happened given how early this trade was from the deadline. It's not like management wouldn't have known a ballpark figure estimate for EP already before signing. They're not dumb. In fact, they likely know more than you or I do in that department. Edited March 18 by The Lock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 23 hours ago, The Lock said: Wrong. The Lindholm trade was a reflection of us needing more scoring and having a player in the doghouse in Kuzmenko available to trade back. Lindholm happened to have higher value than Kuzmenko; thus, the extra pieces we had to trade. If EP had signed earlier, this trade would likely have still happened given how early this trade was from the deadline. It's not like management wouldn't have known a ballpark figure estimate for EP already before signing. They're not dumb. In fact, they likely know more than you or I do in that department. Mgmt wanted to sign EL when they acquired him and now they will see (i.e. it is unlikely). That is in part due to his play but also in part due to EP signing. He was a player they liked but he was also a player they prioritized because he provided insurance with respect to EP. Your second paragraph doesn't make any sense - the cap wasn't wasn't the issue, mgmt was worried EP wouldn't sign at all (hence all the references to MT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Smelly Cow Pies just signed a Bustowitz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/16/2024 at 12:53 PM, Coconuts said: I wish folks would stop bringing up Jack Hughes Yeah, as far as forwards go he's the best bargain in the league, but folks often look at the cap hit while glossing over the context attached to it Devils bet on him before he blew up, it's paid off spectacularly for them Our version would have been Benning getting more term out of Pettersson Didn't we get this with Quinn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Smelly Cow Pies just signed a Bustowitz. Beer and cow pies, sounds like a romantic evening in Alberta. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, NoCupSyndrome said: Mgmt wanted to sign EL when they acquired him and now they will see (i.e. it is unlikely). That is in part due to his play but also in part due to EP signing. He was a player they liked but he was also a player they prioritized because he provided insurance with respect to EP. Your second paragraph doesn't make any sense - the cap wasn't wasn't the issue, mgmt was worried EP wouldn't sign at all (hence all the references to MT) You can want to sign every player in this league. Obviously, you're not going to be able to do that. "Want" doesn't say much other than the intention is there. It doesn't change anything that I said about us needing more scoring the Kuzmenko being available to trade. If you think my 2nd paragraph doesn't make sense then I can rephrase it: the trade had nothing to do with the EP signing. Lindhom being "insurance" would only have been a bonus and not the actual reason for trading for him. Lindholm looked like a much better fit than Kuzmenko and was available. Anything outside of this is speculation. Just because you can make a statement linking EP to the trade does not make it true. Kuzmenko's the obvious link because he's the one who was traded. There's no lines to read between or anything here. I get that it's easy to want to think there's more to it, but there isn't. Edited March 20 by The Lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: Didn't we get this with Quinn? Quinn showed more right off the hop than Jack did, put up 53 as a rookie and never really looked back Jack on the other hand took a bit longer to gain traction, his rookie season was 21 points in 61 games and he followed that up with 31 in 56 Jack signed his current deal on Nov 30th, 2021, he wound up finishing the 2021/2022 season with 56 in 49 It was the following season that he really blew up, putting up 99 in 78 He was knocked early on, but he was also super young, Devils bet on him providing surplus value and it's paid off spectacularly for them If anything Hughes took a larger cap hit for more years in regards to his current deal whereas Pettersson probably took less to bring down the term, Jack took the guaranteed money and has likely cost himself 2M+ a year by doing so In retrospect Benning probably should have found a way to lock him in longer Edited March 20 by Coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/19/2024 at 6:17 PM, The Lock said: You can want to sign every player in this league. Obviously, you're not going to be able to do that. "Want" doesn't say much other than the intention is there. It doesn't change anything that I said about us needing more scoring the Kuzmenko being available to trade. If you think my 2nd paragraph doesn't make sense then I can rephrase it: the trade had nothing to do with the EP signing. Lindhom being "insurance" would only have been a bonus and not the actual reason for trading for him. Lindholm looked like a much better fit than Kuzmenko and was available. Anything outside of this is speculation. Just because you can make a statement linking EP to the trade does not make it true. Kuzmenko's the obvious link because he's the one who was traded. There's no lines to read between or anything here. I get that it's easy to want to think there's more to it, but there isn't. EL was insurance, just is what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) On 3/21/2024 at 9:53 PM, NoCupSyndrome said: EL was insurance, just is what it is Cover your ears and play make believe all you want. I can't stop you from doing that. lol If what you said had any merit or anything to back it up, I would have considered it more, but you didn't provide much of anything other than your own conspiracies. Edited March 23 by The Lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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