CaptainCanuck12 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 51 minutes ago, gwarrior said: They gotta get Zadorov signed. Guys like him don't grow on trees. Say the Canucks offer him $4.5 and he wants $6, I say meet in the middle and go up to $5.25 per and 6 years. Could we all live with that? I certainly could. Although as some others have said, if he continues to play behind both Hughes and Soucy on the left side, it's hard to justify payng that to a third pairing D man. In my own opinion though, I see Zadorov as being a stonger all-around D man that Soucy , with much greater upside. My own solution would be to put Soucy on the third pairing and Zadorov on the second. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 minute ago, CaptainCanuck12 said: I certainly could. Although as some others have said, if he continues to play behind both Hughes and Soucy on the left side, it's hard to justify payng that to a third pairing D man. In my own opinion though, I see Zadorov as being a stonger all-around D man that Soucy , with much greater upside. My own solution would be to put Soucy on the third pairing and Zadorov on the second. What about starting next season with our D like this? H and H Z and Myers Soucy and Juulsson Not too sure who fits in the #7 role? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntheticity Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, Diamonds said: The thing is it's not just can Zadorov keep up with Hughes for a couple shifts or play with him for the odd game. It's asking for him to play an extra 5min/game at even strength more than what he played this past season, and it's with Hughes. That's a very large jump and a lot to ask. I think Zadorov already answered in the playoffs that at least for short stints he can keep up with Hughes, but that doesn't mean he can do it for a full season. By "do it for the full season", do you mean he needs to consistently play 20 min a game paired with Hughes? If so, then I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. I think it's more likely he just plays situationally with Hughes, e.g. when other teams try targeting him, esp. in the playoffs. However, for 5m+, I would expect him to have top 4 deployment. Edited June 2 by syntheticity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Crossbar Posted June 2 Popular Post Share Posted June 2 From Zadorov's own words. This pretty much says it all and looks to be as positive as it could get at this stage. “For me, the main focus is the term, for sure,” Zadorov told Sportsnet in a one-on-one interview after last week’s year-end press conferences. “I feel like I can play until 35 or 36 easily, on a high level. I think my body can do that. It's not like I'm injury prone. I feel like I can get to another level of leadership and hockey as well when I know I'm in this team (long-term). It's just going to be easier mentally and physically as well, so I don't have to move my family around.” Zadorov’s off-season home is in Miami. But he said his wife Aleksandra and their daughters, Sophie and Stephanie, loved their six months in Vancouver. The family likes the city, the culture and the Canucks. Vancouver could become home for the Zadorovs. “Obviously, there's a lot of interest in the family stuff,” the defenceman said. “But the main interest is to win the Stanley Cup. (This was) my fifth playoff... and I haven't been past the second round. I think for me, it's just to find a team or home where I have a chance to win a Stanley Cup. That's the main focus, for sure. And I believe Vancouver is one of them.” Canucks face difficult decision with Zadorov's looming free agency (sportsnet.ca) 4 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 (edited) I don’t think Zadorov is a long term fit with Hughes, but if he can do 19-20 minutes a night as a #4 I think you can live giving him up to 5. Especially with Soucy at 3.25 it would be nice to go: 7.85 for Hughes (3 years left) 4.75 for Zadorov (6 years?) 3.25 for Soucy (2 years left) That’s hardly egregious IMO. The problem is, the team has much more pressing needs than signing a 3rd LD especially since Hughes and Soucy are solid. As it stands, we only have Juulsen on the right. No 3C / #1 PK C. and a gaping hole in the top 6, particularly on Petey’s wing. Locking in Zadorov at 5 isn’t the end of the world, but some other pieces need to fall in first, unless he’s willing to take a legitimate haircut. I don’t see him doing that, but I also don’t see anyone throwing a giant bag of cash at him on day 1 of UFA. Likely scenario, he dips his toe in FA and realizes PA’s offer is competitive enough to return to a good situation. If not, Brendan Dillon looks like a great “plan B” option whose contract situation will leave a lot more flexibility for a guy like D Petey to slide in over the short/mid term. Edited June 2 by The Duke 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamer4GM Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 I don't own a black skate jersey and wanna wear my Big Z #91 to the first game I attend in the fall Lock this man up ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, syntheticity said: By "do it for the full season", do you mean he needs to consistently play 20 min a game paired with Hughes? If so, then I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. I think it's more likely he just plays situationally with Hughes, e.g. when other teams try targeting him, esp. in the playoffs. However, for 5m+, I would expect him to have top 4 deployment. My post was related to to whether he can be Hughes' partner next season. That means yes, playing consistently 20min/game with Hughes. Otherwise we run into the Schenn problem where we had to double shift Myers to make up the extra time. Zadorov being able to do spot duty with Hughes is awesome, but that doesn't negate the need for a full-time partner for Hughes unless you think Zadorov can actually do that. Consistent second pairing time with 17-18min/game even strength and 19-20min/game total should be doable for him though with the right partner. I'm not yet convinced that Zadorov could carry a second pairing but he can still be a very valuable player. To me that still caps out at $5M because there's just not a long enough track record of him playing at that playoffs level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Well, the latest rumors be that term is the main thing for Zads. Sounds like he wants 6-8 years. Wonder how low he'd go for a 6 or 7 year deal. It'd age pretty well honestly. If it's 5mil or lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 49 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Well, the latest rumors be that term is the main thing for Zads. Sounds like he wants 6-8 years. Wonder how low he'd go for a 6 or 7 year deal. It'd age pretty well honestly. If it's 5mil or lower. I wonder if he'd be willing to do something like $4Mx7. $28M total, the equivalent of $5.6Mx5. He would probably be overpaid the last two years, but realistically our window is the next 5. The $4M cap hit allows us to re-sign a guy like Joshua or upgrade other parts of the roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 (edited) It may be that we have to let him walk unfortunately. Cap is going to be so tight. Edited June 3 by Ronaldoescobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 7 hours ago, Alflives said: What about starting next season with our D like this? H and H Z and Myers Soucy and Juulsson Not too sure who fits in the #7 role? Woo/Willander/Pettersson? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 28 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said: It may be that we have to let him walk unfortunately. Cal is going to be so tight. Well hopefullly they don't let Cal have any input then!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 14 minutes ago, CaptainCanuck12 said: Well hopefullly they don't let Cal have any input then!! Oops lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Komodo0921 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Zadorov has stated he's prioritizing term a bit more then AAV. 7 yrs x 3.75? He takes a bit of a hit at the front, the team takes a bit at the end. One key point is that he's also stated he and his family love Vancouver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 minutes ago, Komodo0921 said: Zadorov has stated he's prioritizing term a bit more then AAV. 7 yrs x 3.75? He takes a bit of a hit at the front, the team takes a bit at the end. One key point is that he's also stated he and his family love Vancouver. As long as it’s buy out friendly I have no problem going long term. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, Komodo0921 said: Zadorov has stated he's prioritizing term a bit more then AAV. 7 yrs x 3.75? He takes a bit of a hit at the front, the team takes a bit at the end. One key point is that he's also stated he and his family love Vancouver. I’m assuming it will take closer to $5M per, even at long term. Honestly, I’d do $4.5M x 7, provided the last 2 years are buyout friendly. Even then, if he slows down enough, he may end up on Robidas Island anyways. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syntheticity Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 5 hours ago, Diamonds said: My post was related to to whether he can be Hughes' partner next season. That means yes, playing consistently 20min/game with Hughes. Otherwise we run into the Schenn problem where we had to double shift Myers to make up the extra time. Zadorov being able to do spot duty with Hughes is awesome, but that doesn't negate the need for a full-time partner for Hughes unless you think Zadorov can actually do that. Consistent second pairing time with 17-18min/game even strength and 19-20min/game total should be doable for him though with the right partner. I'm not yet convinced that Zadorov could carry a second pairing but he can still be a very valuable player. To me that still caps out at $5M because there's just not a long enough track record of him playing at that playoffs level. I could see Z pairing just fine with Myers or Soucy on the second unit, with spot duty alongside Hughes as needed. My comfort with Z at 5+ is tied to what happens with Hronek.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 2 hours ago, Komodo0921 said: Zadorov has stated he's prioritizing term a bit more then AAV. 7 yrs x 3.75? He takes a bit of a hit at the front, the team takes a bit at the end. One key point is that he's also stated he and his family love Vancouver. That ain’t happening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWestNuck Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 9 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Woo/Willander/Pettersson? Even Freidman or McWard would work for spot duty next year. Personally, I’d have Freidman and Woo as 7 and 8 dman with team, or just Woo if they’re sticking with 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 hughes-tanev/pesce zadorov-pesce/tanev soucy-myers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 (edited) 10 hours ago, Komodo0921 said: Zadorov has stated he's prioritizing term a bit more then AAV. 7 yrs x 3.75? He takes a bit of a hit at the front, the team takes a bit at the end. One key point is that he's also stated he and his family love Vancouver. He reportedly turned down $4.5x5. He's not taking $3.75x7 Edited June 3 by qwijjibo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmok Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 If you can get him for 4.75.. for like 6-7 thats only a million raise from what he's making now.. but he gets 33 million over all value which is almost the (6x6) others were talking about.. And in 4 or 5 years that won't be a lot of money relative to the cap if you had to move it.. or buy it out. If you basically took myers 6 million from last year.. you could resign myers for a couple years at 3.. then take the other 3 and split it between Zadorov and Hronek.. so Hronek gets 2 plus maybe a bit more to get to around 7... Zadorov to 4.75. And you haven't really spent anymore on the main parts of the D than you did last year. You'd have your top pair locked up for then next 3 years... your size Myers, Soucy, Zadorov locked up ( and I do think that size made a big difference to the defense this year) All at basically the same price you were paying for all those players this year.. just redistributed. And one space open for someone else with Coles money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, qwijjibo said: He reportedly turned down $4.5x5. He's not taking $3.75x7 I bet he accepts 4.5x 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, canucks curse said: I bet he accepts 4.5x 6 Wouldn't surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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