Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 14 minutes ago, AlexanderM said: I saw this, really looked to me like he didn't have any new information and was just speculating. I really hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Ah the good old media crutch has reared its head again eh? ”Poor little us! The mean old media said something I don’t like so that means they’re out to get us. I don’t even pay attention to them anyways! Except for all the times that I respond to their comments and articles that is. One time their speculation was wrong so that means that I know everything and they don’t!” haha never gets old! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, Chon derry said: Of course the door is open. nobody, Nobody wants to see the big guy go. Unfortunately Friedman’s mouth is always open….. I guess the agent could be playing hardball, so chuck on the extra year and get it done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chon derry Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) Usauallu when you don’t hear anything in contract talks it usually means there’s some discussion. All though rutherford has been known to use media with his own brand of propaganda. Edited June 17 by Chon derry 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 minutes ago, Chon derry said: Usauallu when you don’t hear anything in contract talks it usually means there’s some discussion. All though rutherford has been known to use media with his own brand of propaganda. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Both agents and managers use reporters (and why wouldn’t they) to intentionally float certain information. Some people forget (intentionally?) this and fall back on “the media is trolling us” or however they choose to word it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, SilentSam said: For those high on Dillon , I do not think he will be in this league for more than 3 seasons. If he comes here , it’s for money that would or should go to Myers ( 2-3m range) We will get the contract we need from Hroneck , or trade him. Should bring back a quality return. Zadorov is a must sign . Hearing 6m around the league offered. Surely 5 >5.5m x 6 does it ? He can get more but it seems his desire is to stay with the Canucks; A big part of our success. Your numbers seem right on to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: was there info? not sure EF could hedge that comment any more if he tried. I read it as this "final offer deal" wasnt enough to get it done, but Vancouver still has the inside track for a couple more weeks, so you can't close the book 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5 minutes ago, stawns said: I read it as this "final offer deal" wasnt enough to get it done, but Vancouver still has the inside track for a couple more weeks, so you can't close the book So any offer this weekend wasn’t the “final offer” and both sides continue to negotiate. Seems like EF said nothing we didn’t already know. And it’s eerily quiet on the Big Z front from his agent and the Canucks. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 hours ago, EdgarM said: I think with a balanced dcore you could pick and choose Hughes's deployment way better. With big bodies like Big Z, Myers, and Soucy, I highly doubt we get "slaughtered". Well we had Z, Myers, and Soucy and Hughes got pummeled to the point he was far less effective than in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) this is how I think we approach the start of the season on Defence. Hughes Hroncek Zadorov Willander Myers Dillon Jullsen EPetterson I think Willander is ALL IN To make this Squad, and I Do Not think he will be out of step with his game or develop with THIS coaching staff. He is fast and smart . Better for Willander and EPetterson/ Dman to be with them. they have both played very well on the World stage. Monetarily speaking : Myers: (34yrs) 2.5 x 2 / tradeable 2nd year Dillon : (33yrs) 2.5 x 2 / tradeable 2nd year Zadorov : 5.5 x 6 / tradeable last 2 seasons Willander. ELC Petterson ELC Hroneck Qualifies @ 5.28 m / Arbitrary? What might be roughly close to 20m for a season Dillon Wants to be here. Myers wants to be here. Zadorov wants to be here. Juulsen wants to be here. Thats a pretty good ( but rough) supporting staff with what we have and a couple of rising stars may make it quite dynamic. * I try not to get into the overhype of right or left handed.. the game has evolved into roving positions with systems. Yes, strong sides for Face Offs , but after that “set play”, The game moves rapidly in man coverage and zone coverage. Hell i forgot about Soucy !! Lol makes it even better to have him ! Edited June 17 by SilentSam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalian Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, The Lock said: I've been hesitant about Elliotte Friedman in the past but respected him... the start of this off-season makes it sound like he watched a Vancouver team that ranked last in the league and are unable to sign anything. I just don't know what I think of Friedman these days. Funny I was thinking the same. Friedman used to be a reliable source, but now seems to be about as connected as any of the hacks and just speculating. I guess when you have to come up with 30 thoughts you have to start reaching and speculating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5.5 x 6. Just get it done. Lots of others to worry about. He wants to be here. We want him here. Quit fucking around. Don’t want us to miss this guy then start crying about how we need big physical dmen with big shots. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, SilentSam said: this is how I think we approach the start of the season on Defence. Hughes Hroncek Zadorov Willander Myers Dillon Jullsen EPetterson I think Willander is ALL IN To make this Squad, and I Do Not think he will be out of step with his game or develop with THIS coaching staff. He is fast and smart . Better for Willander and EPetterson/ Dman to be with them. they have both played very well on the World stage. Monetarily speaking : Myers: (34yrs) 2.5 x 2 / tradeable 2nd year Dillon : (33yrs) 2.5 x 2 / tradeable 2nd year Zadorov : 5.5 x 6 / tradeable last 2 seasons Willander. ELC Petterson ELC Hroneck Qualifies @ 5.28 m / Arbitrary? What might be roughly close to 20m for a season Dillon Wants to be here. Myers wants to be here. Zadorov wants to be here. Juulsen wants to be here. Thats a pretty good ( but rough) supporting staff with what we have and a couple of rising stars may make it quite dynamic. * I try not to get into the overhype of right or left handed.. the game has evolved into roving positions with systems. Yes, strong sides for Face Offs , but after that “set play”, The game moves rapidly in man coverage and zone coverage. Willander is not an option as he is not under contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, stawns said: Willander is not an option as he is not under contract Push push push . … and I missed Soucy Lol ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, stawns said: Willander is not an option as he is not under contract Not that I really care about this part of the conversation in general, but they could like... sign Willander between now and then. I don't really see why someone couldn't add him into future plans just because he doesn't have a contract right now at this very moment. lol 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, stawns said: Willander is not an option as he is not under contract That can change with a phone call. IMO, he stays in college next year, but not being under contract isn’t the issue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, D.B Cooper said: That can change with a phone call. IMO, he stays in college next year, but not being under contract isn’t the issue Yeah that was almost like saying "We shouldn't cook a pancake because we don't have a frying pan out" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: 5.5 x 6. Just get it done. Lots of others to worry about. He wants to be here. We want him here. Quit fucking around. Don’t want us to miss this guy then start crying about how we need big physical dmen with big shots. This! It's getting absurd, but I do credit the Canucks for taking the time, while they have the time. Let's hope they don't "run out of time" Such a gambit. Edited June 18 by Western Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: That can change with a phone call. IMO, he stays in college next year, but not being under contract isn’t the issue Pretty sure Allvin said months ago that Willander was doing another year in College. When he was asked about D Petey, Lekkerimaki and Willander. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: That can change with a phone call. IMO, he stays in college next year, but not being under contract isn’t the issue It's not happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, JeremyCuddles said: Pretty sure Allvin said months ago that Willander was doing another year in College. When he was asked about D Petey, Lekkerimaki and Willander. .. but a cool 1 meeeeelion dollars could postpone College ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, stawns said: I'd say EF is a true insider He is, he's probably one of the more respected hockey media folks too. Thing is, lot of guys do the speculation nowadays as a way to drive traffic, to drive interest, to provide momentum within their careers. At the end of the day these media pundits are all working jobs, it just looks a bit different for them. I don't really have an issue with it, hockey media has changed over time, but for whatever reason it really gets into the bonnet of some folks. Folks don't have to like the speculation, or these sorts giving their opinions on things, and that's fine. But as someone who had free time around the trade deadline, as someone who was repeatedly stalking twitter and hockey socials, Friedman was frequently the guy who got to things first. It's not uncommon for him to speculate on something, or to say something is close, and then for it to come to fruition either. Edited June 18 by Coconuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I'm honestly surprised that Willander being here for training camp is being floated.. Juulsen is at guy right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I don’t think willander will sign until the end of his ncaa season.. that way he gets to have proper development and also get to burn 1 year off his elc. Most ncaa players either sign as soon as their season is over to likely get the 1 year elc burned or don’t sign at all till end of next ncaa season makes no sense for willander to sign between now and training camp when he could have signed as soon as his ncaa season was over and be 2 years away from getting paid if he was to signed a month ago vs 3 years if he was to sign now. There’s almost 0 incentive for him to sign right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: He is, he's probably one of the more respected hockey media folks too. Thing is, lot of guys do the speculation nowadays as a way to drive traffic, to drive interest, to provide momentum within their careers. At the end of the day these media pundits are all working jobs, it just looks a bit different for them. I don't really have an issue with it, hockey media has changed over time, but for whatever reason it really gets into the bonnet of some folks. Folks don't have to like the speculation, or these sorts giving their opinions on things, and that's fine. But as someone who had free time around the trade deadline, as someone who was repeatedly stalking twitter and hockey socials, Friedman was frequently the guy who got to things first. It's not uncommon for him to speculate on something, or to say something is close, and then for it to come to fruition either. I'd guess he knows Zad has rejected or will reject this latest offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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