PhillipBlunt Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) If this came down to $500,000, it'll come back to haunt the team. Edited June 28 by PhillipBlunt 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) [Canucks Talk] Allvin Presser, Hughes Wins Norris, & Zadorov Testing Free Agency #canucksTalk https://podcastaddict.com/canucks-talk/episode/178495551 Starts around 13:00 mark. First question is from Jeff Paterson and first thing he asked is about Z. Edited June 28 by Jaimito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VforTheCurseEndsHere Posted June 28 Popular Post Share Posted June 28 Heartbroken to lose one of the most fun Canucks to watch. I was hoping to buy his jersey. That said, I support the decision by management not to be overpaying any of our UFAs. You have to draw a line somewhere, or you end up in the same shape we were in before they turned it around. We are a good team now. If players don't want to play here on a fair deal, find new players. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Age. He signed his last deal when he was 29yo, plenty of solid years ahead of him. He is now 33yo signing a deal where he is gonna be in the years where he is very likely to decline. He is not earning more than last year's cap. He projects between 2.85m to 3.5m per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 8 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Strikeout? Bullshit! It's management being responsible. Yes, it hurts but we can't go back into overpayments like Benning era. This comment by Mac is part of the problem with the media. Mac is just trying to get "likes" by the fan base. He knows how much Canucks fans want Zad back. Zadorov wants big money though, maybe to help pay for all of those expensive suits and his lavish lifestyle. I appreciate JR/PA's restraint and discipline. The biggest need is still a winger for Petey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 4 minutes ago, Devron said: Your faith is impeccable Im-peck-able ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 23 minutes ago, Petey O said: It's only going to hurt if he goes to the freaking Leafs or a western Canadian team. Literally anywhere else and it's not a huge deal. If he ends up in LA, we'll likely regret it on a regular basis.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 My guess is PA gave final offer on Z and the numbers are are far apart. PA must have done the responsible thing and offered him a little less than market value which around 4.5. Z and Milstein probably thinks some team will overpay him and hoping to hit the lottery with a 6m+ offer. Once they get a few 5.25 and 5.5 offers on July 1st, they'll need to think whether it's worth leaving or come back to the canucks asking for more term. If a team is foolish enough to pay 6m with term, they'll leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, CanucksJay said: My guess is PA gave final offer on Z and the numbers are are far apart. PA must have done the responsible thing and offered him a little less than market value which around 4.5. Z and Milstein probably thinks some team will overpay him and hoping to hit the lottery with a 6m+ offer. Once they get a few 5.25 and 5.5 offers on July 1st, they'll need to think whether it's worth leaving or come back to the canucks asking for more term. If a team is foolish enough to pay 6m with term, they'll leave. I don't think they'll get the chance The Canucks can't afford to wait around for him to decide whether he likes UFA offers best, they'll be making their offers elsewhere Can't afford to sit around and wait on July 1st 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, CanucksJay said: My guess is PA gave final offer on Z and the numbers are are far apart. PA must have done the responsible thing and offered him a little less than market value which around 4.5. Z and Milstein probably thinks some team will overpay him and hoping to hit the lottery with a 6m+ offer. Once they get a few 5.25 and 5.5 offers on July 1st, they'll need to think whether it's worth leaving or come back to the canucks asking for more term. If a team is foolish enough to pay 6m with term, they'll leave. There was a reason flames let him go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Nucker67 said: Mac is just trying to get "likes" by the fan base. He knows how much Canucks fans want Zad back. Zadorov wants big money though, maybe to help pay for all of those expensive suits and his lavish lifestyle. I appreciate JR/PA's restraint and discipline. The biggest need is still a winger for Petey. I still think the biggest need Is defense but they probably see the other really good options available like Marino, Tanev, Dillon all available for much cheaper and with less term. Well see Willander sooner than later and they can't be handcuffed to many long term contracts on D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackleford Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Rip The Mesh said: Sad Zadorov didn't want to take fair market to stay but happy PA stuck to his guns. Let's go get a legit top 4 D instead. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: If he ends up in LA, we'll likely regret it on a regular basis.... Imagine Pettersson on the receiving end of the type of hit Zadorov levied on Josi. Yikes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: If he ends up in LA, we'll likely regret it on a regular basis.... Perhaps. But it wasn't like I noticed him when he was a flame or Avs. He's a good fit with Nux. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Biggest need is defense. The team needs to add two NHLers on defense. A scoring winger and a bigger body for the 4th line. 4m - Daniel Sprong, RW for Pettersson 1.65m - Brandon Duhaime, RW 4th line 3.5m - Brenden Dilon, LD 2.75m - Dmitry Kulikov, RD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks164cup Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I guess back to hoping the other Nikita returns 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Another ufa not returning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 If management truly was balls deep on the Guentzel rumours and willing to grossly overpay a declining forward Several million dollars per year more than his worth, but refused to pay a guy who solidified our blueline as one of the strongest bluelines in the league a million more than they are comfortable “overpaying” then I really question where their head is at. They’ve made some great signings no doubt. But Zadorov is not nearly as easy to replace as the guys they signed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just remember, neither Florida or Edmonton had any intimidating players in their lineups. They did fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: I don't think they'll get the chance The Canucks can't afford to wait around for him to decide whether he likes UFA offers best, they'll be making their offers elsewhere Can't afford to sit around and wait on July 1st 1 minute ago, Jaimito said: There was a reason flames let him go. Yeah this sucks. We lose size and truculence but we might end up with a more complete D corps if Z leaves. I just loved his attitude and intimidation he brought. The entire team played bigger because of him and I really hope they don't play like pansies next year. At the same time, while he laid some big hits and backed it up with his toughness, one thing I noticed is that oilers continued to take cheap shots at our guys. No matter who we have, it looks like that won't go away in the playoffs. I just hope that our guys got a taste of how much toughness is required to survive in the playoffs and set a new bar for themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 16 minutes ago, DeNiro said: No kidding. Its a strikeout to give too much money and term to a guy that’s not gonna be a regular top 4? Love his size and character but you can’t be overpaying for that. We're now at a responsible place where fans wanted to be during those years we sucked and overpaid guys. Mac is now advocating we be irresponsible. Lol Please! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: We aren’t talking astronomical numbers.. we’re talking an overpayment of 1mil at the very most…. Everyone here is salivating over signing a guy like Jake Guentzel who is going to be grossly overpaid and on a 6+ year deal???? Fans can’t have it both ways. If I had to overpay anyone it would be a dman for certain and a guy with something you can teach… SIZE. Size is certainly worth paying for when they know how to use it. One year of “overpaying” is offset the moment the cap rises. Almost every single UFA is overpaid. Zadorov at least has age on his side, size you can’t teach and dmen age better than forwards. This was a big miss by management. Except 9 mil isn’t an overpay for a legit 35-40 goal scoring winger. He’s a legit first line player. Paying a guy 5+ who in all likelihood would be on the bottom pair doesn’t make sense. Edited June 28 by DeNiro 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 3 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Sad Zadorov didn't want to take fair market to stay but happy PA stuck to his guns. Let's go get a legit top 4 D instead. Yup. This is a good message to the team and the league. All the guys staying are guys that had team first attitudes and signed market or lower. They know Z was loved by the fans but management drew a hard line and stayed disciplined. This will help future negotiations. Other players and agents prob took notice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 7 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: Mac is just trying to get "likes" by the fan base. He knows how much Canucks fans want Zad back. Zadorov wants big money though, maybe to help pay for all of those expensive suits and his lavish lifestyle. I appreciate JR/PA's restraint and discipline. The biggest need is still a winger for Petey. Same here. I'm a huge Zad fan but he was financially reasonable when we got him. Everyone else was coming more reasonable. He's the odd man out unfortunately. Mac looks like a fool on that comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolexSub Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Dam that really sucks in losing Big Z. I wonder what our offer was? Those are some big shoes to fill in size, toughness, good skater, and skills for a huge 6.6 250lb defensemen. As a Canuck fan, very disappointed and upset that we couldn't get it done as we create more cap space after the M trade. We better not sign Guenz and hand him over $11M contract!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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