[ARTICLE] What it might take to sign Nikita Zadorov and if it makes sense for the Canucks

[Devron]

12 minutes ago, Dizzle said:

they decided Z was a bottom pairing Defenceman… like 5 other teams in the last 6 years did. 
 

What a bunch of dummies. 

[MeanSeanBean]

4 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

funny   .. I’ve always looked at a # 4 Dman as a Top Pairing Dman .

He’s not.

But that’s the position he is in as our roster is right now.

But he is not ,  and he should get less anyway because of his game / declining asset and the fact he was paid too much , here , where he is coming back.

 

We needed to move away from this player

Your right, that is funny. I always felt top pairing Dman seemed pretty self explanatory as a player being, you know, one of the two on the top pair.

[Conscience]

15 minutes ago, Pianoman said:

There is a model that projects a players cap value for the duration of their contract, and Pettersson is valued at a 300k discount. Yeah it’s just a formula and imperfect, but it gives a good idea. How are you going about determining his value? You haven’t given any comparables for any of those three. If you look around the league at other players recently signed around their cap hits, there are very few I think we would want over them. Unless your argument is that all hockey players are overpaid. Who would you rather have signed instead of them, I’m curious? 

what model? 

 

Zadorov and Roy, probably come in similar prices to myers and hronek, not to mention the assets you could have got in return for hronek. 

 

Pete should have been traded for a haul as well if that was his number. A top 5 paid player in the league, really no players youd rather have over pete ? For 11.6 mill? He just not dominant or consistent enough as the superstars in this league. 

[Devron]

Anyways Bye Z. One of the few things I haven’t liked about this management group was letting this happen. That and maybe we shouldn’t have acquired Lindholm. But everything still looks pretty good. Let’s see how they do going forward. Made my points. Done arguing now. Go Canucks Go 

[MeanSeanBean]

1 minute ago, Crabcakes said:

It's hard to say what Z really is.  He doesn't really have the track record of a top 4 D.  He may have been played as a top 4 D but that was when Soucy was injured.  He played very well during the playoffs but that is a small sample size and you really can't base a good evaluation on 13 games.  I love the way he was playing and I love having a player who plays as heavy as that but Soucy is better and is paid less.  

 

I'm happy that Allvin hasn't caved to Zadorov's demands.  He thinks that if he waited until the very end, that Allvin would have caved.  Credit to Allvin for not doing so.  You just can't overpay for anybody and hope to build a winning team.  Paying too much for players got Benning into all sorts of trouble.

 

We'll see in good time what Z was really after and how it was not a good fit for the team as a whole

 

 

We were discussing Myers being a top 4 D in this particular post. Zadorov has played the minutes of a 4/5 his entire career really, outside of a couple 19 minute seasons many years ago. 

 

I'm also happy we didn't cave. Would have loved for Z to stick around at a reasonable cost. It sounds like we made him a reasonable offer and he decided to decline and see if a team will overpay. Good for him, go get yours Z.

[RWMc1]

[Devron]

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[RWMc1]

[coho8888]

22 minutes ago, Devron said:

I’d almost rather see them sign a Guentzel now that Z is gone. I think we go big. Benning could never go big because of that status of our team so he overpaid the shit out of bottom 6 guys 

I'm nervous about giving too many players their retirement contracts.  Guentzal is going to cost 7x9.5 and he's already 29.  I suspect Big Z wanted a similar length of contract as well which may have been the sticking point.  And even though giving up another 1st may be very unpopular to some on here, I'd rather do that for someone like Necas who is 25? 26? who we can sign a bridge contract to for more reasonable $$.  

[Crabcakes]

21 minutes ago, Dizzle said:

 

 

Why did this coaching group go to bat for him over Z? 

Because he's right handed.  It makes a difference.  And Myers has a long history with the Canucks playing top 4.  Granted, he's better on the bottom pair at his age and he is now being paid at the top end on bottom pair (who can also play up the line up if needed).

 

Zadorov is left handed (and as such, gets paid less) but he doesn't have a long history of playing top 4.  He was very successful for 13 games in the playoffs.  Allvin is right for not paying him $4++ for playing well for 13 games and putting him ahead of Soucy because Soucy has a long history of playing left side 2nd pair and makes only 3.25 

 

Credit for Allvin for not being a chump

[Coryberg]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

Does it really matter .

 

We signed a 34 year old declining asset to 3 more years.

That money could have been used elsewhere.

I would say last season was one of his best. If that is declining I'm stoked!

[Lemon Face]

44 minutes ago, Devron said:

Anyways Bye Z. One of the few things I haven’t liked about this management group was letting this happen. That and maybe we shouldn’t have acquired Lindholm. But everything still looks pretty good. Let’s see how they do going forward. Made my points. Done arguing now. Go Canucks Go 

For a moment i had feel we lost you.

[Devron]

6 minutes ago, Lemon Face said:

For a moment i had feel we lost you.

Yeah I haven’t been that fired up in awhile. Don’t like it but it’s out of my control. 

[pomorick]

Canucks have not had a spine since 2011 until Joshua and Zadorov. Zadorov was the spine of the Canucks in the playoffs. Back to being spineless.

 

 

 

[Pianoman]

1 hour ago, Conscience said:

what model? 

 

Zadorov and Roy, probably come in similar prices to myers and hronek, not to mention the assets you could have got in return for hronek. 

 

Pete should have been traded for a haul as well if that was his number. A top 5 paid player in the league, really no players youd rather have over pete ? For 11.6 mill? He just not dominant or consistent enough as the superstars in this league. 

One the Athletic uses. Whose salary are you comparing Zadorov to? I would much rather have meyers at 3x3 than Zadorov at 5.5 or 6x6. If you are using that as a comparable then Meyers is a steal. 

[Conscience]

6 minutes ago, Pianoman said:

One the Athletic uses. Whose salary are you comparing Zadorov to? I would much rather have meyers at 3x3 than Zadorov at 5.5 or 6x6. If you are using that as a comparable then Meyers is a steal. 

Its myers. And thats a crazy take. 
 

2-2.5 mil more for the younger and better D is a no brainer. 
 

Again probably couldve had them both with a lil less going to the 34 years old chaos giraffe. 

 

[Coconuts]

Dreger days we offered as high as 5

 

Whine about Zadorov all you want, he chose to walk

[CanucksJay]

42 minutes ago, pomorick said:

Canucks have not had a spine since 2011 until Joshua and Zadorov. Zadorov was the spine of the Canucks in the playoffs. Back to being spineless.

 

 

 

I really hope not... 

Z was amazing for the team in that way. 

Brought the swagger back. 

Hopefully he doesn't take the team swagger with him

[Pianoman]

32 minutes ago, Conscience said:

Its myers. And thats a crazy take. 
 

2-2.5 mil more for the younger and better D is a no brainer. 
 

Again probably couldve had them both with a lil less going to the 34 years old chaos giraffe. 

 

It’s crazy to think that myers at nearly half the salary as Zadorov is better value? Myers was on a higher pairing all year, on the second pair with soucy for a lot of the year with great numbers. He had ice time than Zadorov. If Myers continues playing the same way he has under Tocchet (which I think is the key), to me it’s just a no brainer. Zadorov wasn’t even on our second paring when Soucy was healthy. Their TOI were within 8 seconds at the end of the year, but when Soucy was healthy he played more on average. It’s just not viable at a high value. I would have loved Zadorov, but at around a 4.5 cap hit. If you give him 5.5x6 that could turn out rough in a few years if Z is down on the third pairing like he has been most of his career, until he is 35 or 36. 

or Z could continue to rise and end up out performing a contract like that it is possible.

 

i just think it’s much less likely that Myers underperforms on a 3m contract vs Zadorov on a 5.5m 

 

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

3 hours ago, gwarrior said:

I fucked a pig and I liked it........

Katy Perry is that you?

 

 

oh absolutely it is 

 

because you are a complete freak 

[BC_Hawk]

42 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

I really hope not... 

Z was amazing for the team in that way. 

Brought the swagger back. 

Hopefully he doesn't take the team swagger with him

Dillon will do the same in Tocchets system. Zad was a fringe top4 before coming here….he fit the system and excelled. Be interesting what he gets on the market…….I look fwd to watching the local guy play at a fraction of the cost while Petterson finally has a legit winger.

[J-23]

54 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Dreger days we offered as high as 5

 

Whine about Zadorov all you want, he chose to walk

Ya, 5 million is a very good and fair offer from the Canucks. I really wanted to get a Zadorov jersey, best of luck to him, hope he gets his money.

[I.AM.THE.WALRUS]

OK I completely apologize - I took that last comment too far - but it was satirical - the music industry ho’s such as Miss Perry are a sad lot

 

but the same time I am totally pissed that we just lost Big Z

 

we need his toughness 

[Coconuts]

4 minutes ago, J-23 said:

Ya, 5 million is a very good and fair offer from the Canucks. I really wanted to get a Zadorov jersey, best of luck to him, hope he gets his money.

 

Yeah, if he wants to chase bigger money elsewhere that's on him, but it's not as if management didn't try

 

They've other things to consider and their cap space ain't unlimited, can't just give everyone everything they want, particularly after other guys take discounts to stay

 

2:25

 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/~2935597

[J-23]

3 minutes ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said:

 

 

but the same time I am totally pissed that we just lost Big Z

 

we need his toughness 

Same but at the same time all the good teams lose great players during their years of contending.