canuck73_3 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: lol , your comparing Jeff Cowan and Jason King to Nikita Zadorov!! LMFAO !!! That’s like playing NAKED TWISTER with 5 gallons of Mazola Oil. !! The common denominator is the small sample size of games not the players. Breaking the bank for 13 games is frankly stupid. His worth to our franchise is what was offered if he wants more he can go get it from someone else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 A totally unrelated musical interlude. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: 2nd season? this management group has been together . Their history with us is short , Possibly stable elsewhere. But I think Sid Malkin Fluery and many others may have helped with the panic You can discuss this with Rutherfords 3 rings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dannydog Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 21 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: The common denominator is the small sample size of games not the players. Breaking the bank for 13 games is frankly stupid. His worth to our franchise is what was offered if he wants more he can go get it from someone else. Ya , nice argument. What exactly was the price point that broke the bank? Name it and then tell me what it’s gonna cost to replace him or a resemblance of him. 5 mill easy minus the grit and bone crushing hits . Other than Juulsen name me a Canuck D that can actually deliver a decent hit then add to it a guy that’s gonna make guys like Kane or janner teanott think twice on taking liberties. Honestly, what was the magic number. 10 teams in on him on July 1st they know the number and won’t bat an eye. Good luck finding that player in this era. Edited June 30 by dannydog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 11 minutes ago, dannydog said: Other than Juulsen name me a Canuck D that can actually deliver a decent hit then add to it a guy that’s gonna make guys like Kane or janner teanott think twice on taking liberties. But liberties are taken with him in the lineup. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pianoman Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 6 hours ago, SilentSam said: Tell me what this “RISK” is that your talking about please. Zadorov is a mutual dimensional D man. Not super good at one thing, but the Totality of things . That gives him longetivity. Can he : Skate very well ? Yes Can he shoot ? Yes Can he play a long physical game ? Yes Can he score ? Yes Can he Defend ? Yes Can he intimidate ? Yes Good room guy ? Yes Body Guard type ? Yes all of those types of things are diffrent “tools in his box” to go to as needed to prolong his career. He showed well here when given the chance that HE ASKED for to prove himself . those opportunities happened whe at times he was paired up with Hughes and Hroneck , and he showed extremely well ,. That why I think he could pair of on either of those 2 lines and be a great partner . Now go back over that list and tell me how Hroneck or Hughes stack up against it. Is the TOTALITY OF THEIR TYPE OF GAMES MORE OR LESS ? And then see the effectiveness of Zadorov has very little risk . Could he go back to Russia ? Yes ( but he hates Putin and would get shot if he did) lol i think the “risk” you are suggesting is more about your fear . but please tell me what risk, and why? The risk that he becomes a close to 6m defenceman playing on the third pairing for most of his career… like he has been most of his life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 45 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: The common denominator is the small sample size of games not the players. Breaking the bank for 13 games is frankly stupid. His worth to our franchise is what was offered if he wants more he can go get it from someone else. .. From 3 generations of hockey ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted Sunday at 07:26 AM Share Posted Sunday at 07:26 AM 1 hour ago, dannydog said: Ya , nice argument. What exactly was the price point that broke the bank? Name it and then tell me what it’s gonna cost to replace him or a resemblance of him. 5 mill easy minus the grit and bone crushing hits . Other than Juulsen name me a Canuck D that can actually deliver a decent hit then add to it a guy that’s gonna make guys like Kane or janner teanott think twice on taking liberties. Honestly, what was the magic number. 10 teams in on him on July 1st they know the number and won’t bat an eye. Good luck finding that player in this era. He didn’t deter any liberties though and to answer who else is available see: Dillon, Brenden Edmonson, Joel For starters. And trades are available too if necessary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted Sunday at 07:37 AM Share Posted Sunday at 07:37 AM 8 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: He didn’t deter any liberties though and to answer who else is available see: Dillon, Brenden Edmonson, Joel For starters. And trades are available too if necessary That is an important point. Nothing stopped or deterred the opposition from hitting Hughes at every chance to the point the Predators knocked him down a couple notches. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted Sunday at 08:09 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:09 AM 2 hours ago, dannydog said: Ya , nice argument. What exactly was the price point that broke the bank? Name it and then tell me what it’s gonna cost to replace him or a resemblance of him. 5 mill easy minus the grit and bone crushing hits . Other than Juulsen name me a Canuck D that can actually deliver a decent hit then add to it a guy that’s gonna make guys like Kane or janner teanott think twice on taking liberties. Honestly, what was the magic number. 10 teams in on him on July 1st they know the number and won’t bat an eye. Good luck finding that player in this era. i dunno man. Zadorov while I love him, he has been on 5 teams now, and his next team is going to be his sixth. That's a lot of teams that seem to continue to pass on him. It makes me curious as to why that is. Does he overvalue himself, which is why teams don't seem to agree with him? He's always played as a third pairing defenseman. And simply put, the money that he's wanting could be used more wisely to better the rest of the roster. If another team feels like he's worth 6m, then all the more power to them. With so much dead money on the books especially with OEL, we just can't afford to mismanage the finances. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted Sunday at 08:10 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:10 AM 32 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: That is an important point. Nothing stopped or deterred the opposition from hitting Hughes at every chance to the point the Predators knocked him down a couple notches. That's a fair point. Also hearing that Dillon isn't interested now in coming to Van? What happened there? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted Sunday at 08:34 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:34 AM 4 hours ago, spook007 said: It was actually a decent gamble... like every single attempt is... And lets see who comes in, as the cap space left open should be counted the other way, I guess? Imagine if Demko had stayed healthy? better than average chance we take 1 of the 4 we lost against Oilers... and the rest would be history... Absolutely With a healthy Demko the possibility of being in the finals increases- in addition a healthy/ producing Pettersson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted Sunday at 08:36 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:36 AM 25 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: That's a fair point. Also hearing that Dillon isn't interested now in coming to Van? What happened there? Maybe Dillon doesn’t want to play in his home town? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted Sunday at 08:49 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:49 AM 11 minutes ago, Alflives said: Maybe Dillon doesn’t want to play in his home town? Maybe too much pressure? ya we were so close to the cup… insanely close… which means we can get closer.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted Sunday at 08:59 AM Share Posted Sunday at 08:59 AM Feels like we’re in a support group… helping one another in letting go of and moving on from Big Z… but we need that toughness element… hope they are gonna address this issue 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted Sunday at 10:04 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:04 AM 1 hour ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said: Absolutely With a healthy Demko the possibility of being in the finals increases- in addition a healthy/ producing Pettersson Spot on... we were a lot closer than most of us actually thought... I was one of those being happy with play offs, and winning one round, I considered a win... being so close to knocking one of the pre play offs favourites out just showed how good the team really was... The real test starts now... how to build on last seasons success without a few of the players that made it happen... it will be a real interesting off season and in particular, which direction the team takes in free agency.... Bring on Mondays frenzy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted Sunday at 10:10 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:10 AM 4 hours ago, dannydog said: Ya , nice argument. What exactly was the price point that broke the bank? Name it and then tell me what it’s gonna cost to replace him or a resemblance of him. 5 mill easy minus the grit and bone crushing hits . Other than Juulsen name me a Canuck D that can actually deliver a decent hit then add to it a guy that’s gonna make guys like Kane or janner teanott think twice on taking liberties. Honestly, what was the magic number. 10 teams in on him on July 1st they know the number and won’t bat an eye. Good luck finding that player in this era. Myers...... Ask Duncan Keith or drysaitls ribs.... But it does leave a hole.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted Sunday at 01:34 PM Share Posted Sunday at 01:34 PM 5 hours ago, N4ZZY said: i dunno man. Zadorov while I love him, he has been on 5 teams now, and his next team is going to be his sixth. That's a lot of teams that seem to continue to pass on him. It makes me curious as to why that is. Does he overvalue himself, which is why teams don't seem to agree with him? He's always played as a third pairing defenseman. And simply put, the money that he's wanting could be used more wisely to better the rest of the roster. If another team feels like he's worth 6m, then all the more power to them. With so much dead money on the books especially with OEL, we just can't afford to mismanage the finances. It does make you think. But those earlier passes were on a big guy trying to develop his NHL game. When big guys make mistakes on the ice they usually stand out. There is little doubt that Zad wants to be a top 4 d-man which would mean he would be a 2LD on the Canucks. How does Zad stack up against Soucy? Soucy is a tad over $3 mil. The 3LD on the Canucks struggles to get TOI as Hughes eats it up. For PA to resign Zad he has to see him as a 2LD and that is the crunch especially at + $5 mil and term. The other question here is 2RD? Is Meyers penciled in there again this year? IMHO RT has to consider Hronek anchoring has own pairing at 2RD at even strength. That would mean signing a solid 1RD to solidify the d-side game playing with Hughes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted Sunday at 02:31 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:31 PM 8 hours ago, dannydog said: Ya , nice argument. What exactly was the price point that broke the bank? Name it and then tell me what it’s gonna cost to replace him or a resemblance of him. 5 mill easy minus the grit and bone crushing hits . Other than Juulsen name me a Canuck D that can actually deliver a decent hit then add to it a guy that’s gonna make guys like Kane or janner teanott think twice on taking liberties. Honestly, what was the magic number. 10 teams in on him on July 1st they know the number and won’t bat an eye. Good luck finding that player in this era. What's it going to cost to replace him? Probably $3.5-$4m dollars. Hrs a bottom pairing dman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckMan Posted Sunday at 02:35 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:35 PM Hope Zadorov doesn’t get the deal he was looking for an has to back track to us and we give him half a million less than what we first offered him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted Sunday at 02:44 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:44 PM Norris Hughes - Tanev could easily be the best top pair in the league next season. That gives us a second pair of Soucy - Hronek Then the remaining job is to just find a veteran LD for Myers in free agency or trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted Sunday at 03:17 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:17 PM 7 hours ago, N4ZZY said: That's a fair point. Also hearing that Dillon isn't interested now in coming to Van? What happened there? I think it is more that he will likely get better offers other places...but I could be wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted Sunday at 03:18 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:18 PM 31 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Norris Hughes - Tanev could easily be the best top pair in the league next season. That gives us a second pair of Soucy - Hronek Then the remaining job is to just find a veteran LD for Myers in free agency or trade. It would be downright hilarious if Tanev came back here after the leafs tried to get it done. I know they didn’t give up much but still.. Someone reported Tanev is right at the top of our priority list. If we could land him and say Dillon/Edmundson/Forbort to play with Myers we’d be stacked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted Sunday at 03:19 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:19 PM 1 minute ago, NoCupSyndrome said: I think it is more that he will likely get better offers other places...but I could be wrong. That’s how I read the report as well. Not that he doesn’t want to sign here, but that right now we aren’t planning to offer him enough to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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