Coryberg Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 4 hours ago, R3aL said: Well. he was the only addition to our D core in the year and he had to adjust to our system dmen have a lot more to learn and adjust to when being traded usually theres a transition period. also, big dmen like him can’t play 100% physical all the time in the regular season or they’d be in the box a whole lot theres also some players who are better suited for the regular season and some that are better suited for the playoffs look at Sam Bennett guys a demon in the playoffs and a 40 pt regular season guy. Big Z has some unicorn traits: 1. His size 2. his skating ability and at his size make it even more impressive 3. his shot, he has had scoring success 4. his personality 5. he thrives in high pressure Canadian market playoff environments as much as I am of the kind we should try to replace him with Dillon if we can’t resign him I also don’t want to overpay Big Z at his market rate. im comfortable upping the term to keep his cap hit in the Canucks target range to still improve our team for next year I like big z and would love to see him back next season I'm fine with his less than 100% play, he is a solid 3rd pairing dman at his worst. I just don't want to pay him as a #3 when he only plays that way 1/6 regular season games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: This is what was expected a month or two, is it not? I can't recall. It was originally 87.7 million. They increased it by $300,000. That increase is not a lot, but helps teams like us. Edited June 9 by J-23 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RWJC Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 What might Nikita Zadorov’s ‘discounted’ price tag be to stay with the Canucks? Jeff Paterson Who doesn’t love a good mystery? And when it comes to Nikita Zadorov and his demands in contract talks with the Vancouver Canucks, the dollar figure it’s going to take to keep the big Russian defenceman on the payroll is very much a mystery. With reports this week that Zadorov’s camp may be willing to accept a slight discount to get a deal done to stay in Vancouver, now it’s all about trying to solve the mystery of the amount necessary to get the deal across the finish line. Certainly Zadorov and his agent Dan Milstein know their number, and it’s a pretty safe bet the Vancouver Canucks front office does, too – even if they don’t like it. That’s all part of negotiations and the Canucks still have more than three weeks to negotiate with Zadorov before he’s eligible to hit the open market. The 29-year-old has played out the final season of a two-year deal that paid him $3.75M annually. As an unrestricted free agent coming off a solid season and a strong playoff performance, Zadorov is in for a raise. Of that, there is no doubt. And he’s going to want term, too. Consulting firm AFP Analytics projects Zadorov’s next deal in the five-year $26.5M range which would carry an annual average value of $5.3M per season. Using that as a baseline, what exactly qualifies as a discount? An educated guess suggests the Zadorov camp is pushing for any new deal to start with a five. Is that the sticking point? Should the Canucks entertain the idea of going to $5M annually with a defenceman who slots in behind Quinn Hughes and Carson Soucy on the left side of the depth chart? And if they’re willing to commit to $5M per season will they offer that over a five year contract? That would make for $25M total compensation, which is slightly lower than the aforementioned projection. However, Zadorov may be willing to test the free-agent waters to see if he can get a sixth year on that type of deal, and that’s certainly something the Canucks will have to consider. It was clear by the club’s usage in the playoffs that Zadorov is seen internally as more than just a third pair guy. In 13 post-season outings, he was third among Canucks defencemen in TOI, logging 20:09 of ice time per game. He was also the third-most utilized defender on the penalty kill. On top of that, Zadorov tied for third on the team with four playoff goals and was even deployed at times as a net-front presence late in games when the Canucks were down and looking for the equalizer with the goaltender pulled for an extra attacker. Term shouldn’t really be a sticking point. Or at least it shouldn’t be the deal breaker here. As both Ian Cole and Tyler Myers have shown this past season, veteran defencemen can play into their mid-30s and maintain a relatively high-level of performance – especially ones who focus more on the defensive side of the game. There’s every reason to think that Zadorov can continue to thrive for years in a structured system like the Canucks have in place under Rick Tocchet and Adam Foote. The Canucks need to figure out if Zadorov at $5M is a want or a need. Could they prioritize a new deal for restricted free agent Filip Hronek and bring back Tyler Myers at a discounted rate and run things back with a top four of Hughes, Hronek, Soucy and Myers while finding a different way to fill the third pair spot on the left side to play with Noah Juulsen? Or is it imperative to keep Zadorov’s size and intimidation factor in the fold? Sifting through the noise that is out there and trying to make sense of it all, it feels like a six-year $30M offer would be enough to get Zadorov to stay and play in Vancouver. The Canucks have the money to make it happen. But they have to decide if that’s the best approach to take this off-season in order to have money to spend to address needs elsewhere in the line-up. https://canucksarmy.com/news/nhl-sets-2024-25-salary-cap-at-88-million-4-nations-face-off-to-be-held-in-february-2025#comments_127402 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Canucks Notes: Lindholm, Chatfield, Zadorov June 10th, 2024 at 8:59pm CST • By Josh Cybulski Dhaliwal also reported that all is quiet when it comes to contract negotiations between the Canucks and pending free-agent defenseman Nikita Zadorov. The 29-year-old was also acquired at the trade deadline and reportedly hasn’t spoke with Vancouver over the past few days. The Canucks have just over $24MM in cap space available but have pending extensions to sign in the next three seasons for Quinn Hughes, Brock Boeser, and Thatcher Demko and will need to be careful how they allocate long-term cap space. Reports have surfaced previously that Zadorov is looking for a six-year deal at $6MM per season. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/06/canucks-notes-lindholm-chatfield-zadorov.html#ref=home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I absolutely loved Z here, but 5.75 is where I would call it. Tyler Myers was a better overall player going into his free agency, and look how that’s gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 It's tough because do we pay him based on his regular season play (few points, bottom pairing minutes), or playoffs (high scoring, 20 mins). Combined, he's probably worth 5.5M or so. Playoff-based he was a machine worth well over 6M, but regular season-wise that's a 4M bottom pairing guy. I'd gime him 5.5M, has to be under 6M. If we're giving him that I'd rather have gotten Hanifin at 7m 2LD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WillisD Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 Come on Alvin. Sign him and quit pissing around 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 11 hours ago, nergish said: I absolutely loved Z here, but 5.75 is where I would call it. Tyler Myers was a better overall player going into his free agency, and look how that’s gone. I love him, but that is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 17 minutes ago, Provost said: I love him, but that is too much. Agreed. Term I’m fine with but it has to be with a cap hit of 5 or less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-unlikely-zadorov-free-agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 minutes ago, NoCupSyndrome said: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-unlikely-zadorov-free-agency Yeesh, so we're not likely to bring back Lindholm, or Joshua, or Zadorov, or Lafferty, or Cole.... so of all the UFAs, maybe Blueger, and maybe Myers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 10 minutes ago, NoCupSyndrome said: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-unlikely-zadorov-free-agency So we've gone from "lots of traction on bringing Zadorov and Lindholm back" to both unlikely to be re-signed. Shouldn't believe one side or the other until free agency begins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, NoCupSyndrome said: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canucks-unlikely-zadorov-free-agency Strange title. Not likely to sign before free agency means we could sign him July 1 after he sees what available elsewhere. We have a standing offer and he certainly could still accept it after he sees what other clubs will offer. IMHAO that’s exactly what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 hmm, said on an Oilers podcast. I wouldn't be worried yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderM Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 If they're that close then there's still hope, could circle back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) I think they sign Zads 4.75x 6 Myers 2.75 Hronek 7.75 JG 9 bluegger 1.75 silovs 1 Edited June 13 by canucks curse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 7 minutes ago, canucks curse said: I think they sign Zads 4.75x 6 Myers 2.75 Hronek 7.75 JG 9 bluegger 1.75 silovs 1 Current cap space: $26.5 million Total cap of your proposed contracts: $27 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 minutes ago, Pears said: Current cap space: $26.5 million Total cap of your proposed contracts: $27 million I'm guessing Mikheyev is gone... either trade or buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'm guessing Mikheyev is gone... either trade or buyout. Even then, still have a couple holes up front. I think it would be smart to trade Hronek and use those savings to fill them, then sign a Pesce/Roy type. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 4 minutes ago, Pears said: Even then, still have a couple holes up front. I think it would be smart to trade Hronek and use those savings to fill them, then sign a Pesce/Roy type. Not really. Guentzel replaces Mikheyev. We are bringing back Blueger in that scenario, so the only forward we're missing is Joshua. Current cap space you mentioned is $26.5M + $4.75M for Mikheyev = $31.25M. We would have $4M to fill any holes... namely a partner for Zadorov, and a 4th line guy if we don't like PDG or Aman or Karlsson. Suter-Miller-Boeser Guentzel-Pettersson-Hoglander Podkolzin-Blueger-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Myers Zadorov-??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: Not really. Guentzel replaces Mikheyev. We are bringing back Blueger in that scenario, so the only forward we're missing is Joshua. Current cap space you mentioned is $26.5M + $4.75M for Mikheyev = $31.25M. We would have $4M to fill any holes... namely a partner for Zadorov, and a 4th line guy if we don't like PDG or Aman or Karlsson. Suter-Miller-Boeser Guentzel-Pettersson-Hoglander Podkolzin-Blueger-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Myers Zadorov-??? Yeah that could work too, I'm just not a fan of keeping Suter in the top six. I'd also look at guys like Motte/Blais/Stenlund for the 4th line since they're bigger, faster and more reliable than PDG and Åman. They're good depth pieces, but shouldn't be regulars if we want to get to where we want to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 minutes ago, Pears said: Yeah that could work too, I'm just not a fan of keeping Suter in the top six. I'd also look at guys like Motte/Blais/Stenlund for the 4th line since they're bigger, faster and more reliable than PDG and Åman. They're good depth pieces, but shouldn't be regulars if we want to get to where we want to go. I think I read somewhere that Canucks are interested in Duhaime? Would be a good 4th line guy. Stenlund, like you said, would be another. I still like Kastelic out of OTT too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think I read somewhere that Canucks are interested in Duhaime? Would be a good 4th line guy. Stenlund, like you said, would be another. I still like Kastelic out of OTT too. Yeah Kastelic would be a good get, just not sure what he'd cost. I'd love Duhaime on the 4th line too. Motte-Stenlund-Duhaime 4th line? Sign me up. Edited June 13 by Pears 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 i read somewhere zadorov is prolly gone.. and lindholm is prolly gone.. and joshua is prolly gone... if we swing and a miss on JG.. do we even have a plan B plan C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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