stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Are we thinking the same injury period? Was Zadorov even on the team when Soucy first got injured I can't rememember. I do remember though that the LAST time Soucy was injured, we tolerated it a lot better with Zads in the line up. You could be right there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 3 minutes ago, ArmchairGM22 said: I’m not suggesting you add Garland as a sweetener, he’s got good value now was suggesting adding a pick as a sweetener to get off Mik’s contract for that cap room instead The point was, if you’re able to sign JG and you can’t get off Mik’s contract without say giving up a fist, Then, a trade of Garlamd makes sense. we would still get a quality prospect or pick back While I misread that, I don't see anything positive in trading a player like garland 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EdgarM Posted June 15 Popular Post Share Posted June 15 10 minutes ago, stawns said: I think there's better options to dump mik's deal than losing the guy who was, arguably, their best fwd in the playoffs. Imo, Garland is as much the identity of this as anyone in the lineup. He's a core player to me and not someone you add as a sweetener to get rid of another player. And we can all be gung ho on guentzal, but he's played his entire career riding shotgun to one if the goats in the history of the game. I pass on JG at the cost it's going to take to get him I rarely agree with you Stawns but I do this time. Garalnd is not a piece of the puzzle that does not fit, he does. We have other pieces who do not quite fit and this management group wastes no time in moving on from them. Guentzel would be a great add but only at the right price. Garland gives us a piece of a third line which not many other teams have. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzle Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, tas said: food for thought: when kevin bieksa signed his big contract after the 2010-11 season, $4.6m x 5 years, that represented 7.15% of the salary cap. if you consider zadorov as someone filling the same role, as I do, the current equivalent value would be $6.3m x 5, full NTC. bieksa's previous contract, $3.75m x 3 years, actually ate up a larger piece of the pie at 7.46% of the cap, which would prorate to $6.565m today. Kevin Bieksa was on one of the best D-pairings in the league in 2010-11 and had a couple 40 point seasons under his belt. 46 minutes ago, FlippersUp said: If the playoffs showed us anything its that the guys with the biggest balls are your MVP's To me that was Miller, Hughes, Zadorov, Garland, Dak, Lindholm, PDG. They each drove the bus in various essential ways. Dak? PGD? No Boeser? That's an interesting list. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 3 minutes ago, Dizzle said: Kevin Bieksa was on one of the best D-pairings in the league in 2010-11 and had a couple 40 point seasons under his belt that's a reach. bieksa and hamhuis were a good shutdown second pairing that year but they both missed a quarter of the season and had down years offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuck73_3 Posted June 15 Popular Post Share Posted June 15 1 hour ago, FlippersUp said: If the playoffs showed us anything its that the guys with the biggest balls are your MVP's To me that was Miller, Hughes, Zadorov, Garland, Dak, Lindholm, PDG. They each drove the bus in various essential ways. Boeser was huge this playoffs too can’t really over look him. 6 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dizzle Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 26 minutes ago, tas said: that's a reach. bieksa and hamhuis were a good shutdown second pairing that year but they both missed a quarter of the season and had down years offensively. That pairing - when together - was absolutely unreal. to be fair, that entire defence was pretty unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Really curious what the Canucks final offer is and whether that’s sufficient for big Z to stay. From the outside looking in it does kind of seem like him and his family really want to be here. But if other teams are offering a huge payday it would be hard to say no to that. And the Canucks cant be held hostage by what other teams are willing to offer. So a fair deal if they can come to terms will be super interesting. And I wonder if that means a guy like Carson Soucy has to be moved…. Dream scenario for me is the Canucks can have big Z AND Dillon on the back end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fanfor42 Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, Goose said: Dream scenario for me is the Canucks can have big Z AND Dillon on the back end. And Hughes, Hronek, Soucy and Myers. The Norris winner and his number two plus "huge" bunch of capable 3 - 6. Add Guentzel. Everyone else on the cheap. Lekk Podz etc. Fits the cap and I like it. Teams need to feel intimidated next year playing the Canucks. Big f'n defense plus a dangerous addition to the top 6 will do that. Hello Demko coming back with his best ever season.... 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilentSam Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 Cmon Cmon Cmon , Make it a place to hang your hat Nik! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canucks curse Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Goose said: Really curious what the Canucks final offer is and whether that’s sufficient for big Z to stay. From the outside looking in it does kind of seem like him and his family really want to be here. But if other teams are offering a huge payday it would be hard to say no to that. And the Canucks cant be held hostage by what other teams are willing to offer. So a fair deal if they can come to terms will be super interesting. And I wonder if that means a guy like Carson Soucy has to be moved…. Dream scenario for me is the Canucks can have big Z AND Dillon on the back end. Zads can play right Sign Hronek, Zads, Myers and Dillon both shoukd take sone discount for 3 yrs of term 2.75 each hronrk 7.5x 8 zads 5x6 Myers 2.5x 3 Dillon 2.5x 3 = 17.5 + Guentzel = 9 = 26.5 need to trade milky then re sign silovs (1) Joshua 3.75 Highes Zads Soucy Hronek Dillon Myers Edited June 16 by canucks curse 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 minutes ago, canucks curse said: Zads can play right Sign Hronek, Zads, Myers and Dillon both shoukd take sone discount for 3 yrs of term 2.75 each That would be a nasty D and would be a dream to have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck12 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Goose said: Really curious what the Canucks final offer is and whether that’s sufficient for big Z to stay. From the outside looking in it does kind of seem like him and his family really want to be here. But if other teams are offering a huge payday it would be hard to say no to that. And the Canucks cant be held hostage by what other teams are willing to offer. So a fair deal if they can come to terms will be super interesting. And I wonder if that means a guy like Carson Soucy has to be moved…. Dream scenario for me is the Canucks can have big Z AND Dillon on the back end. Signing both Zadorov and Dillon would be a drema scenario for me too. But in reality, Dillon is their backup plan if they can't sign Zadorov. Otherwise, they would have Hughes, Zadorov, Soucy and Dillon all as LHD, and who would sit? Tocchet doesn't play two same-handed D-men together (not for more than a game or two anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 59 minutes ago, CaptainCanuck12 said: Signing both Zadorov and Dillon would be a drema scenario for me too. But in reality, Dillon is their backup plan if they can't sign Zadorov. Otherwise, they would have Hughes, Zadorov, Soucy and Dillon all as LHD, and who would sit? Tocchet doesn't play two same-handed D-men together (not for more than a game or two anyway). Yeah it was just a hypothetical situation, although if it were to become a reality Soucy would have to be moved (I did mention that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Has there been any update yet on the offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Canuck Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 5 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: Has there been any update yet on the offer? I dont think there are any serios updates possible because this gm group can work behind closed doors and thats great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 17 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: Has there been any update yet on the offer? No news might be good news. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 20 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: Has there been any update yet on the offer? Where I’m at. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Where I’m at. Me too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 10 hours ago, tas said: food for thought: when kevin bieksa signed his big contract after the 2010-11 season, $4.6m x 5 years, that represented 7.15% of the salary cap. if you consider zadorov as someone filling the same role, as I do, the current equivalent value would be $6.3m x 5, full NTC. bieksa's previous contract, $3.75m x 3 years, actually ate up a larger piece of the pie at 7.46% of the cap, which would prorate to $6.565m today. Not a great comparison... Bieksa had multiple 40+ point seasons by that point and was averaging 23 minutes a game over his first 5 full seasons. Zadorov's best offensive season (22 points) is exactly half of Bieksa's best (44 points). His career average for ice time is 18 minutes, apples and oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 hours ago, fanfor42 said: And Hughes, Hronek, Soucy and Myers. The Norris winner and his number two plus "huge" bunch of capable 3 - 6. Add Guentzel. Everyone else on the cheap. Lekk Podz etc. Fits the cap and I like it. Teams need to feel intimidated next year playing the Canucks. Big f'n defense plus a dangerous addition to the top 6 will do that. Hello Demko coming back with his best ever season.... that would be the dream off-season, I think. Additions: - Guentzel - Zadorov - Dillon - If there's room - Roy Defensively, we'd be set. Offensively, still probably could make a deal or two after Guentzel. Do we even have cap space after that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapshot Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 38 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: that would be the dream off-season, I think. Additions: - Guentzel - Zadorov - Dillon - If there's room - Roy Defensively, we'd be set. Offensively, still probably could make a deal or two after Guentzel. Do we even have cap space after that? Depends if we can ship Mikheyev out of here and what happens with Joshua. I imagine Joshua will end up being paid more than we can afford elsewhere. We also can't forget about a 3C. Hopefully we can get Blueger back without breaking the bank. Maybe Allvin can pull another rabbit out of the hat like he did with Joshua and find someone under the radar that can contribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 3 hours ago, Coryberg said: Not a great comparison... Bieksa had multiple 40+ point seasons by that point and was averaging 23 minutes a game over his first 5 full seasons. Zadorov's best offensive season (22 points) is exactly half of Bieksa's best (44 points). His career average for ice time is 18 minutes, apples and oranges. except that the role he fills for the canucks is apples to apples, despite the track record being different. but notice that I'm not suggesting zadorov should get $6.5m. I think $5.5m or less is fair. I was just pointing out how much cap the canucks dedicated to a similar role back then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I expect Dillon is high on their wish list if Z is not signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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