Alflives Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, stawns said: It's not happening The point is it could happen. Willander isn’t signed because he’s a college kid. But we could sign him over the summer. There’s no rule against that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 51 minutes ago, SilentSam said: this is how I think we approach the start of the season on Defence. Hughes Hroncek Zadorov Willander Myers Dillon Jullsen EPetterson I think Willander is ALL IN To make this Squad, and I Do Not think he will be out of step with his game or develop with THIS coaching staff. He is fast and smart . Better for Willander and EPetterson/ Dman to be with them. they have both played very well on the World stage. Monetarily speaking : Myers: (34yrs) 2.5 x 2 / tradeable 2nd year Dillon : (33yrs) 2.5 x 2 / tradeable 2nd year Zadorov : 5.5 x 6 / tradeable last 2 seasons Willander. ELC Petterson ELC Hroneck Qualifies @ 5.28 m / Arbitrary? What might be roughly close to 20m for a season Dillon Wants to be here. Myers wants to be here. Zadorov wants to be here. Juulsen wants to be here. Thats a pretty good ( but rough) supporting staff with what we have and a couple of rising stars may make it quite dynamic. * I try not to get into the overhype of right or left handed.. the game has evolved into roving positions with systems. Yes, strong sides for Face Offs , but after that “set play”, The game moves rapidly in man coverage and zone coverage. Hell i forgot about Soucy !! Lol makes it even better to have him ! I like this a lot. And with a young guy like Willander coming in soon, who plays a heavy game, having Big Z as his partner is a very smart move. Touch the rookie and get destroyed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I like this a lot. And with a young guy like Willander coming in soon, who plays a heavy game, having Big Z as his partner is a very smart move. Touch the rookie and get destroyed. its a a set of mix n match pairings that I think allows all of those players to become better with each other. also allows Willander and Pettersson to go back and forth from the farm. With them out : Hughes Zadorov Hroneck Dillon Myers Juulsen …… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, SilentSam said: its a a set of mix n match pairings that I think allows all of those players to become better with each other. also allows Willander and Pettersson to go back and forth from the farm. With them out : Hughes Zadorov Hroneck Dillon Myers Juulsen …… And D-Petey and Willander are very close to being on the big club. Having giants like Big Z and Myers go a long way to making the transition to the NHL for young D a lot easier., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, arsenalian said: Well we had Z, Myers, and Soucy and Hughes got pummeled to the point he was far less effective than in the regular season. Thats why I said that the Hughes/Hronek pairing didn't work and a change needs to be made. Hronek on a different pairing would give us the luxury of playing Hughes in more ideal situations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Thats why I said that the Hughes/Hronek pairing didn't work and a change needs to be made. Hronek on a different pairing would give us the luxury of playing Hughes in more ideal situations And then you'd be paying a huge, long term salary to a guy getting 35ish points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, stawns said: And then you'd be paying a huge, long term salary to a guy getting 35ish points Who are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Who are you talking about? You take hronek away from Hughes and I'd bet he's well under 40 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, stawns said: You take hronek away from Hughes and I'd bet he's well under 40 points How many second pairing D, who don’t get PP minutes while they PK a lot, put up over 40 points? Oh. That’s right. IT IS ZERO!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Once we realize Z is not just “BiG” and “Physical”, And that he actually ShutsDown the offensive attack and turns up with the offensive quickly , It’s hard not to see his value . His quickness on the Hits results in solid Defensive Skill. is it any wonder he might be getting bigger offers? He changed the complexities of our Defence core almost overnight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: It's not happening What’s not happening? Him staying in college this upcoming season? Or him signing? I already said I thinks he is in college next year. Edited June 18 by D.B Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 7 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Once we realize Z is not just “BiG” and “Physical”, And that he actually ShutsDown the offensive attack and turns up with the offensive quickly , It’s hard not to see his value . His quickness on the Hits results in solid Defensive Skill. is it any wonder he might be getting bigger offers? He changed the complexities of our Defence core almost overnight. Honestly I Just want our rivalry with Edmonton to continue and intensify. You accomplish that by keeping guys like Zadorov. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Bob Long said: the door is closed, well not quite, it could be open, maybe the cat opened it. Agreed, because ... the cat came back ... the very next day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I like this a lot. And with a young guy like Willander coming in soon, who plays a heavy game, having Big Z as his partner is a very smart move. Touch the rookie and get destroyed. If Willander were to sign this summer, which I doubt, he would still start in the AHL. They’re not bringing him into the NHL immediately. Both Alvin and Rutherford have said they want their prospects to be “over ripe” so that when they come into the NHL they don’t struggle and they aren’t sent back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, stawns said: You take hronek away from Hughes and I'd bet he's well under 40 points I agree, Hronek did so well because he was with Hughes. I don't think he is worth what he is asking. He is a good defenseman but only does it "well" not "exceptional", like Z and Hughes. but then you throw in tight checking and physical play, and then he is far less effective. I was only thinking if he signed at a reasonable contract. Then he would be a good offensive threat on the #2 d pairing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Looking like Zadorov's not coming back from the sounds of some media peeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 52 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Once we realize Z is not just “BiG” and “Physical”, And that he actually ShutsDown the offensive attack and turns up with the offensive quickly , It’s hard not to see his value . His quickness on the Hits results in solid Defensive Skill. is it any wonder he might be getting bigger offers? He changed the complexities of our Defence core almost overnight. Yeah, I hear you, I just don't think management is willing to go where Millstein and Zadorov's asking is. I'd be surprised if the Canucks announced a deal with Zadorov this week, and if it's not happening this week, you'd have to think that he would just wait another week before the start of free agency. I don't see him lasting that first day. He, Lindholm, Joshua are all going to be gone by July 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 43 minutes ago, EdgarM said: I agree, Hronek did so well because he was with Hughes. I don't think he is worth what he is asking. He is a good defenseman but only does it "well" not "exceptional", like Z and Hughes. but then you throw in tight checking and physical play, and then he is far less effective. I was only thinking if he signed at a reasonable contract. Then he would be a good offensive threat on the #2 d pairing. And little to no pp time. So all of a sudden you're taking away the Hughes points and not getting pp time, but paying him like a top line d and top line pp guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Looked all over for some legitimate words on the situation and haven’t seen anything concrete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, ArmchairGM22 said: If Willander were to sign this summer, which I doubt, he would still start in the AHL. They’re not bringing him into the NHL immediately. Both Alvin and Rutherford have said they want their prospects to be “over ripe” so that when they come into the NHL they don’t struggle and they aren’t sent back. Let alone intk a top 4 spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 If Toronto gets Tavares to waive his NTC to go to Utah, I see them overpaying for Zadorov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) I do think what management was able to do last summer is going to set us up for some disappointment this offseason. The OEL buyout plus shipping picks to get out of Dickinson gave us a big whack of cap space in a largely capped out league. Soucy, Suter, Bleuger, Lafferty, Cole, Zadorov were all easy to make because we had the cap space other teams didn’t. Now we still have a ton of flexibility, but it’s back to old fashioned competition and unfortunately all our UFAs and Hronek had career years. They all know the cap is going up. It won’t be like last year where it felt like Allvin was the only one shopping. Edited June 18 by The Duke 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 32 minutes ago, The Duke said: I do think what management was able to do last summer is going to set us up for some disappointment this offseason. The OEL buyout plus shipping picks to get out of Dickinson gave us a big whack of cap space in a largely capped out league. Soucy, Suter, Bleuger, Lafferty, Cole, Zadorov were all easy to make because we had the cap space other teams didn’t. Now we still have a ton of flexibility, but it’s back to old fashioned competition and unfortunately all our UFAs and Hronek had career years. They all know the cap is going up. It won’t be like last year where it felt like Allvin was the only one shopping. Agreed, I think they're going to have to be creative.........they're not going to be able to just outbid teams 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, N4ZZY said: Looking like Zadorov's not coming back from the sounds of some media peeps. The media doesn’t know shit, ever since the covid season and shit the continue to try and pull with this team I have given them zero credit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, stawns said: You take hronek away from Hughes and I'd bet he's well under 40 points well under? he has 38 points in 60 games with detroit with a far inferior offensive team.. i really don't understand the narrative on CDC that hronek sucks he only gotten points because of Hughes.. can easily argue he's gotten less points in vancouver because of hughes.. as he no longer plays pp1 no longer the primary defenceman in any offensive attack.. ppl here pretends his career never existed in detroit where he average slightly above 42 points a season.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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