tas Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, rmok said: for some reason. you keep floating this out like he has a mystery defect. the reason is clear: he makes himself too valuable as a trade asset and the teams he's gone to have unfortunately been in a position where the return assets make more sense for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 53 minutes ago, SilentSam said: im an absolute Zadorov fan. nothing scary in this line up. Id personally keep Mikheyev off that list and put Zadorov on it . Then it’s fierce. That’s ideal, sure. However, moving Mikheyev is a tall order plus we’ve never seen him with a healthy knee. Maybe he’s damaged goods, maybe he’s prime for a serious bounce back. It’s just a tough move to make. Is the jump from Dillon to Zadorov more than DeBrusk over Suter in the top 6? That’s the reason the deal hasn’t been done yet IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I was being factious ..You can have the win! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 7 minutes ago, Canuck You said: I was being factious ..You can have the win! It was obvious to me. Win? We're just having fun while patiently waiting for something to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris12345 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, The Duke said: Looking at the likelihood of landing two of DeBrusk, Stephenson, Toffoli vs one big ticket item in Guentzel is worth looking into. Both Petey and Miller could use LW help (and Toffoli’s right shot would help with Petey.) We could probably squeeze: DeBrusk-Miller-Boeser Toffoli-Petey-Mikheyev Podkolzin-Bleuger-Garland Hoglander-Suter-Duhaime PDG-Aman Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Myers Dillon-Juulsen Friedman The biggest problem there is it doesn’t help the PP too much. Guentzel could be a difference maker there. Miller-Petey-Guentzel-Boeser-Hughes looks infinitely scarier than any of the 2-for-1 pieces replacing Guentzel IMO. I couldn't agree but I don't like Stephenson. I'd be after multiple forwards instead of Jake Guentzel. DeBrusk, Tofolli, Teravainen all options. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronning4center Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 4 minutes ago, chris12345 said: I couldn't agree but I don't like Stephenson. I'd be after multiple forwards instead of Jake Guentzel. DeBrusk, Tofolli, Teravainen all options. Honestly those three are a far greater addition... add zadorov and that is a very deep team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 23 minutes ago, The Duke said: That’s ideal, sure. However, moving Mikheyev is a tall order plus we’ve never seen him with a healthy knee. Maybe he’s damaged goods, maybe he’s prime for a serious bounce back. It’s just a tough move to make. Is the jump from Dillon to Zadorov more than DeBrusk over Suter in the top 6? That’s the reason the deal hasn’t been done yet IMO. I think Zadorov is here.. just agreeing to disagree on a year of term or 250 - 500k per year. I think those numbers are around 5k- 5.5k and 5, 6, or 7 years. Fair value is there for both parties somewhere. Dillon I see as a possible Myers replacement . With what’s left in Cap without trading Mihkey I see one of: Guentzel Trading Mihkey I see both of: Debrusk or Toffoli or Guentzel and one of Debrusk or Toffoli. im liking Debrusks age more than Toffoli, but Toffoli might come with shorter term. Mihkey is the piece to move or not. ee could still ice a good roster with him. just my thoughts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Duke Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, chris12345 said: I couldn't agree but I don't like Stephenson. I'd be after multiple forwards instead of Jake Guentzel. DeBrusk, Tofolli, Teravainen all options. Teravainen a good option, too! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmok Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, tas said: return assets make more sense for them. You just continue to make my point. The cap space and roster spot makes more sense used on someone younger, faster and that isn't going to have played on 7 different teams in 4 calendar years for 'reasons'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, rmok said: You just continue to make my point. The cap space and roster spot makes more sense used on someone younger, faster and that isn't going to have played on 7 different teams in 4 calendar years for 'reasons'. ... for teams that aren't in a position to win, yeah. he was moved for futures. players that, in the present, are less effective than toffoli but may one day be better. this team is competing now, in the present, not collecting all the shiny little foil wrapped packs of pokemon cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 If there’s any truth to this Big Z isn’t getting 6 mil in the open market closer to 4.75-5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 11 minutes ago, ArmchairGM22 said: If there’s any truth to this Big Z isn’t getting 6 mil in the open market closer to 4.75-5 That's a steal for the Hurricanes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: That's a steal for the Hurricanes They don’t have a lot of money do I bet guys are going to have yo take discounts to stay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmok Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Just now, tas said: this team is competing now, in the present, Ya.. so why spend cap space and a roster spot on an old, slow player that 6 teams in 4 years didn't think was worth keeping to be competitive? Is NJ in rebuild mode? No, they expect to be good this coming year and compete thats why they just went out and got Markstrom.. and they didn't think Toffoli was worth keeping to be competitive. Jets were second in the conference... are they not planning on competing next year... they don't seem all that interested in re-signing him? Players that are worth having to be competitive aren't not retained or traded from competitive teams for 2nd and 3rd round picks. The only team that kind of fits the story you are trying to spin is Montreal .. but they actually crashed hard as a team and got a decent return for him. Calgary, NJ, and now WPJ where/are all planning to be competitive directly after him leaving. So were the Canucks for that matter. And all 4 of those teams received very little to nothing to let him go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, rmok said: Ya.. so why spend cap space and a roster spot on an old, slow player that 6 teams in 4 years didn't think was worth keeping to be competitive? Is NJ in rebuild mode? No, they expect to be good this coming year and compete thats why they just went out and got Markstrom.. and they didn't think Toffoli was worth keeping to be competitive. Jets were second in the conference... are they not planning on competing next year... they don't seem all that interested in re-signing him? Players that are worth having to be competitive aren't not retained or traded from competitive teams for 2nd and 3rd round picks. The only team that kind of fits the story you are trying to spin is Montreal .. but they actually crashed hard as a team and got a decent return for him. Calgary, NJ, and now WPJ where/are all planning to be competitive directly after him leaving. So were the Canucks for that matter. And all 4 of those teams received very little to nothing to let him go. because as a *consolation prize* he still represents a consistent 25-30+ goals, and teams that are competing now, if they lose out on their primary target, need to prioritize proof over potential with their consolation prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 15 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: That's a steal for the Hurricanes The contract would take him to 37 years old. It's probably front loaded and his yearly salary will be more in line with what he's worth. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 18 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: That's a steal for the Hurricanes It says the source is Friedman but… regardless it helps us as comp for Big Z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 "Reading between the lines", I think a framework has been agreed upon. It sounds like they are waiting for other deals to come to fruition or be completed before they hammer out the final details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, ArmchairGM22 said: It says the source is Friedman but… regardless it helps us as comp for Big Z Definitely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 6/21/2024 at 5:10 PM, D.B Cooper said: Seravalli can suck the fattest, saltiest glizzy in town. He’s got a lot of guff shit talking the city and its fans, then thinking he should be a Canucks insider Maybe that's exactly what he enjoys (about the fattest, saltiest...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, chris12345 said: I couldn't agree but I don't like Stephenson. I'd be after multiple forwards instead of Jake Guentzel. DeBrusk, Tofolli, Teravainen all options. This Toffoli is too damn slow! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 43 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: The contract would take him to 37 years old. It's probably front loaded and his yearly salary will be more in line with what he's worth. 38 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, Blitz-Pix said: 38 years old I know. I was using his start of season age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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