The Duke Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) It’ll be tight, but we can probably bring back Zadorov, Myers, Joshua and Bleuger with a few mil left over. The 2011 group was built with a lot of “loyalty” contracts - not huge discounts per se, (besides Burrows) but fair deals without overextending in UFA too much. If Mikheyev goes with light retention, a buyout, whatever… we probably have enough for a non-Guentzel Petey winger if we let our current depth sort out the #6 D situation. Edited June 23 by The Duke 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: It's called give and take. Something people lose sight of when they're too "concerned". We do have a fair-minded management group and that fairness goes both ways. It's nice to see actually. Unlike Benning (the moran) this management stays in contact with their players. They run a class organization who treat the players respectfully. Big Z and DJ might very well get huge offers from another club. Good for them. But they are willing to keep talking and come back to us because this is the city they want to live in. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 minute ago, The Duke said: It’ll be tight, but we can probably bring back Zadorov, Myers, Joshua and Bleuger with a few mil left over. The 2011 group was built with a lot of “loyalty” contracts - not huge discounts per se, (besides Burrows) but fair deals without overextending in UFA too much. If Mikheyev goes with light retention, a buyout, whatever… we probably have enough for a non-Guentzel Petey winger if we let our current depth sort out the #6 D situation. Trading Garland for cap creates five mil. Do something to clear Mik and we have plenty of space. But likely we only move off Garland, because (fingers crossed) he has built up his value to positive now. Then it’s likely we get Geuntzel, Big Z, Myers, Blueger. Not too sure we would go the rumoured 4 mil AAV DJ might get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 23 Popular Post Share Posted June 23 Just fucking get it done! 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 34 minutes ago, Alflives said: Unlike Benning (the moran) this management stays in contact with their players. They run a class organization who treat the players respectfully. Big Z and DJ might very well get huge offers from another club. Good for them. But they are willing to keep talking and come back to us because this is the city they want to live in. If you want to call someone a moron, a good first step is spelling it correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Alflives said: Unlike Benning (the moran) this management stays in contact with their players. They run a class organization who treat the players respectfully. Big Z and DJ might very well get huge offers from another club. Good for them. But they are willing to keep talking and come back to us because this is the city they want to live in. If another team throws the bag at Zadorov or Joshua they’re gone, simple as that. And good for them. But if it’s close, maybe they leave a little on the table for trade protection, etc with us. My highest number on Zadorov is still around 4.85 x 6 OR 5.25 x 5 and I’d go as high as 3.75 mil x 4 for Joshua OR 4 x 3. I think I’d prefer the less term option for both, though. Maybe they would, too, with the cap predicted to keep going up. Edited June 23 by The Duke 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted June 23 Popular Post Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, Drive-By Body Pierce said: If you want to call someone a moron, a good first step is spelling it correctly. Exactly! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 53 minutes ago, Alflives said: Unlike Benning (the moran) this management stays in contact with their players. They run a class organization who treat the players respectfully. Big Z and DJ might very well get huge offers from another club. Good for them. But they are willing to keep talking and come back to us because this is the city they want to live in. The players have apparently also got into the mix. A lot like the NBA players have been talking to each other to stay / take discounts. They’re working together now because they believe in each other. Apparently Hughes has been active that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Duke said: I agree for the most part, but I do think they need to try and find a legitimate top 6 winger to play on Petey’s line. Doesn’t have to be Guentzel. But looks like anyone who fits the bill is coming in at 5-6 mil minimum. I agree and, imo, I think they need two top 6(ish) wingers, especially if they're putting Suter as 3C. As I said, toffoli on the top of my rw list Terravainen would be at the top of my list for lw. That said, you could also put garland on Petey's right and Joshua on milers left and rebuild your third line around suter. You'd have podz on the left, so you'd only need a 3C, which is a lot less than a top 6 winger.....,..probably leaving you room for Zad. Edited June 23 by stawns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Joshua Miller Boeser Hogz Petey Garland Podz Suter ________ PDG Aman Mik Karlsson Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Zad Juuls Friedman Demko Silovs You run with that, to start, and hope Mik restores his value before Xmas. If so, you move him out and get cap space to weaponize for a good deal as the years goes on. If, at that point, one of garland or Joshua isn't working out in the top 6, you can then go out and a find the player you want, ala hronek style. Like it or not, signing Hronek means they're going to have to be conservative everywhere else and bringing back the same lineup isn't bad, imo........that was a great team with great chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: Just fucking get it done! And then there's that. Lol Turn the lights out. End the "what if" party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, The Duke said: If another team throws the bag at Zadorov or Joshua they’re gone, simple as that. And good for them. But if it’s close, maybe they leave a little on the table for trade protection, etc with us. My highest number on Zadorov is still around 4.85 x 6 OR 5.25 x 5 and I’d go as high as 3.75 mil x 4 for Joshua OR 4 x 3. I think I’d prefer the less term option for both, though. Maybe they would, too, with the cap predicted to keep going up. If I had to choose between getting 5 million a year and live in Vancouver versus getting 6 million per year and live in Edmonton, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Ohio, Texas, and many other places, I’d take the lower amount and be happy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 3 minutes ago, steviewonder20 said: If I had to choose between getting 5 million a year and live in Vancouver versus getting 6 million per year and live in Edmonton, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Ohio, Texas, and many other places, I’d take the lower amount and be happy. That’s 5 million over 5 seasons that’s a lot of dough…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I HAVE BREAKING NEWS: Come back tomorrow because, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 4 minutes ago, steviewonder20 said: If I had to choose between getting 5 million a year and live in Vancouver versus getting 6 million per year and live in Edmonton, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Ohio, Texas, and many other places, I’d take the lower amount and be happy. For the players I doubt it affects them much they sleep, eat, nap, practice, game, repeat. They don’t have much of a social life in season however, for their wives and kids, assuming they have… it certainly does affect them And as the saying goes happy wife, happy life not sure how many hockey wives want to live in -20 weather in Edmonton or Winnipeg and have to cart their kids around it would be hell Edited June 23 by ArmchairGM22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 “bringing back the same lineup isn't bad, imo........that was a great team with great chemistry” Can’t do that. They all want a raise. No way Lindholm is back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 5 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: I HAVE BREAKING NEWS: Come back tomorrow because, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 23 Author Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, The Duke said: It’ll be tight, but we can probably bring back Zadorov, Myers, Joshua and Bleuger with a few mil left over. The 2011 group was built with a lot of “loyalty” contracts - not huge discounts per se, (besides Burrows) but fair deals without overextending in UFA too much. If Mikheyev goes with light retention, a buyout, whatever… we probably have enough for a non-Guentzel Petey winger if we let our current depth sort out the #6 D situation. If we trade Mikheyev full pop, we’d have $23 million to sign 7 guys. Zadorov, Myers, Joshua and Blueger would be around $14 million. Lekkerimäki is another $950k. Brandon Duhaime is maybe $1.5 million. A 7/8 Dman is $1 million. That would leave us with around $6 million to sign a top 6 forward. So we can bring everyone back and get a $6 million top 6 forward or we can sign Guentzel at $9.5 million and forget about Joshua. Personally, I’d rather bring Joshua back and keep the 3rd line intact and go after a $6 million winger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 17 minutes ago, stawns said: Joshua Miller Boeser Hogz Petey Garland Podz Suter ________ PDG Aman Mik Karlsson Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Zad Juuls Friedman Demko Silovs You run with that, to start, and hope Mik restores his value before Xmas. If so, you move him out and get cap space to weaponize for a good deal as the years goes on. If, at that point, one of garland or Joshua isn't working out in the top 6, you can then go out and a find the player you want, ala hronek style. Like it or not, signing Hronek means they're going to have to be conservative everywhere else and bringing back the same lineup isn't bad, imo........that was a great team with great chemistry I would like to see them try this while fitting Poolman's salary in to start the season so the can accrue LTIR space for the TDL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Allvin and co have a lot of balls in the air right now. That's a juggling term you sick bastards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 4 minutes ago, NoCupSyndrome said: I would like to see them try this while fitting Poolman's salary in to start the season so the can accrue LTIR space for the TDL I'm still hoping that he's fitted into a trade and we get rid of his LTIR entirely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 8 minutes ago, NoCupSyndrome said: I would like to see them try this while fitting Poolman's salary in to start the season so the can accrue LTIR space for the TDL Any ltir, this year, is nullified by OEL's buyout penalty........their almost exactly the same They have 16m left to spend I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwarrior Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Its WAY to quiet on the Zadorov front........ then again, I thought the same thing with Hronek, and that got done quietly and quickly. I'm wondering if the same thing is happening here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If we trade Mikheyev full pop, we’d have $23 million to sign 7 guys. Zadorov, Myers, Joshua and Blueger would be around $14 million. Lekkerimäki is another $950k. Brandon Duhaime is maybe $1.5 million. A 7/8 Dman is $1 million. That would leave us with around $6 million to sign a top 6 forward. So we can bring everyone back and get a $6 million top 6 forward or we can sign Guentzel at $9.5 million and forget about Joshua. Personally, I’d rather bring Joshua back and keep the 3rd line intact and go after a $6 million winger. That’s about where I’m at, as well. Kind of strange after all the fun of poking around UFA that keeping the band together is a seriously enticing option. The Mikheyev situation is the one to keep an eye on - it opens up the opportunity to keep the in-house value while still making a legitimate splash and freshness to the top 6. But it’ll be costly against a real chance of him recouping value next year. Podkolzin, Lekkerimaki, Raty, Bains and Sasson are all different levels of intriguing but no sure bets to move the needle next year, especially in the top 9. Even Hoglander is tough to pencil in given his shaky relationship with Tocchet - though we certainly need him at the price point. Same with D-Petey, McWard and Willander on the back end. I see where Stawns is coming from preaching a bit of patience if the prices are high on July 1. We likely have a middle 6 piece or two in-house but it’s hard to tell who and when they’ll be ready. Edited June 23 by The Duke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 21 minutes ago, ArmchairGM22 said: not sure how many hockey wives want to live in -20 weather in Edmonton or Winnipeg and have to cart their kids around it would be hell When you have 6/7/8 figures in the bank account I don’t think any woman cares. They can buy whatever, go travel while men are playing hockey and have help with kids… not that bad of a sacrifice short term over the length of a persons life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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