[ARTICLE] What it might take to sign Nikita Zadorov and if it makes sense for the Canucks

[wai_lai416]

1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

im actually pointing out that we may have overpaid for Petterson next contract ..

Signing him ,  was too premature.

 

Sure I think it’s   p r o b a b l y

going to be ok ,  but it’s not proven ..

 

you’ve listed players that have played together for years.

 
Why not just go after Crosby?

 

 

 

 

Well it just shows you how much of a f the management gave to actually finding a player to play with ep. He had never had a legit player to play with outside of the lotto line.  
 

Sure we all want a Crosby but does Crosby want to even come? Like fans here assume every player would love and sign in Vancouver. 
 

you can’t have players play together for years if you never gave him a player to play with? He has played with more wingers with significant minutes than almost every other player in the top 15 and it’s not even close 

Edited Wednesday at 04:14 AM by wai_lai416

[The Duke]

30 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Ok,.     Myers ..   what to do with him ?

 

 

I remember reading how in 2011 Kesler torched the Preds but Weber and company laid into him so much that after the series he was never the same.  Keeping that size on the back end is a huge bonus.

[SilentSam]

5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Well it just shows you how much of a f the management gave to actually finding a player to play with ep. He had never had a legit player to play with outside of the lotto line.  
 

Sure we all want a Crosby but does Crosby want to even come? Like fans here assume every player would love and sign in Vancouver. 
 

you can’t have players play together for years if you never gave him a player to play with? He has played with more wingers with significant minutes than almost every other player in the top 15 and it’s not even close 

 

The Oli Joulevi Draft pick was a significant blow to this organization.

 

[BC_Hawk]

4 hours ago, steviewonder20 said:

One difference is that Necas is a RFA while JG is a UFA. That means we need picks or prospects to trade for Necas and our cupboard is pretty threadbare of both; no 1st or 2nd this year and no 3rd in 2025 and 2026. We have no high end prospects aside from Lekker and Willander but no Bedard or Celebrini quality prospects.

You trade next years first. He is a young Center that fits the exact age of our core. We could only hope we could draft and dev a Necas level player, and he wouldn't be ready for a 3-4 years.

 

The key is to develop the few top guys we have in the system, and develop a whole lot of good 3/4 line players in Abby. With the age of our core, that would fit our window the best. The following lineup in 25/26 would be deadly!:

 

Petterson - Necas - Lekkermaki

Hogs - Miller- Boeser

Podz - Raty - Garland

??? - ??? - ???

 

Hughes - Hronek

Zad - Willander

??? - Roy

[SilentSam]

13 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Well it just shows you how much of a f the management gave to actually finding a player to play with ep. He had never had a legit player to play with outside of the lotto line.  
 

Sure we all want a Crosby but does Crosby want to even come? Like fans here assume every player would love and sign in Vancouver. 
 

you can’t have players play together for years if you never gave him a player to play with? He has played with more wingers with significant minutes than almost every other player in the top 15 and it’s not even close 

the above post just reminded me that the opportunity may come this season to have Lettermaki play with EP.

Yes young,.  But very capable .

 

same with Willander (college)

and D man Pettersson.

 

these players will change the complexion of this team inside of 2 seasons.

 

just saying ,    Our future is bright

[wai_lai416]

8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

The Oli Joulevi Draft pick was a significant blow to this organization.

 

yes it was but regardless unless they move up the timeline on lekkerimaki to possibly play with EP.. we need players with high end skill to play with EP to unlock his potential.. you have a high end talent? you play it with high end talent not middling talent that you hope have another gear.. i think our window is the next 2-3 years because anything after that have way too many unknown.. does hughes re-sign.. is demko even the goalie here.. how much have miller regressed etc etc.

[wai_lai416]

2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

the above post just reminded me that the opportunity may come this season to have Lettermaki play with EP.

Yes young,.  But very capable .

 

same with Willander (college)

and D man Pettersson.

 

these players will change the complexion of this team inside of 2 seasons.

 

just saying ,    Our future is bright

future is bright is a double edge sword. the goalie position beyond 2 year is unknown. how effective is miller at 33-34 is unknown you play with whats known.. is the management or RT even here beyond 2 years who knows

[PhillipBlunt]

21 minutes ago, The Duke said:

I remember reading how in 2011 Kesler torched the Preds but Weber and company laid into him so much that after the series he was never the same.  Keeping that size on the back end is a huge bonus.

It’s more a necessity than a bonus. Remember that shortly after Hughes was hit by the two predators players in the series how Zadorov began levelling Josi whenever the occasion arose. It helped keep the Preds in check.
 

Zadorov’s hits usually take the player out of the play completely and sometimes out of consciousness temporarily. He’s a vital piece for any contending hockey team. 

[steviewonder20]

1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:

You trade next years first. He is a young Center that fits the exact age of our core. We could only hope we could draft and dev a Necas level player, and he wouldn't be ready for a 3-4 years.

 

The key is to develop the few top guys we have in the system, and develop a whole lot of good 3/4 line players in Abby. With the age of our core, that would fit our window the best. The following lineup in 25/26 would be deadly!:

 

Petterson - Necas - Lekkermaki

Hogs - Miller- Boeser

Podz - Raty - Garland

??? - ??? - ???

 

Hughes - Hronek

Zad - Willander

??? - Roy

Isn't that a light weight first line? 209 lbs on a 6’4’ beanpole frame, 189 lbs (probable add more muscle) and 165 lbs. (might add more later). I think we need our 1st round picks to build a pipeline of elc contracts and good young players behind our core so we don’t have a brief window.

[qwijjibo]

2 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

You trade next years first. He is a young Center that fits the exact age of our core. We could only hope we could draft and dev a Necas level player, and he wouldn't be ready for a 3-4 years.

 

The key is to develop the few top guys we have in the system, and develop a whole lot of good 3/4 line players in Abby. With the age of our core, that would fit our window the best. The following lineup in 25/26 would be deadly!:

 

Petterson - Necas - Lekkermaki

Hogs - Miller- Boeser

Podz - Raty - Garland

??? - ??? - ???

 

Hughes - Hronek

Zad - Willander

??? - Roy

A late 2025 1st isn't going to get it done.  It's been reported Carolina is looking for star power.  

[Provost]

6 hours ago, qwijjibo said:

A late 2025 1st isn't going to get it done.  It's been reported Carolina is looking for star power.  

How about some Gold Star power?  

 

 

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

Come on Allvin get it done! I hate the waiting and no news

[SilentSam]

9 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

It’s more a necessity than a bonus. Remember that shortly after Hughes was hit by the two predators players in the series how Zadorov began levelling Josi whenever the occasion arose. It helped keep the Preds in check.
 

Zadorov’s hits usually take the player out of the play completely and sometimes out of consciousness temporarily. He’s a vital piece for any contending hockey team. 

apparently Myers broke Draistyl rib in playoff action,. 
and I’m pretty sure Zads put an end to Kanes back ..

im wondering if Kane is going to coast into retirement now.

 

Offsetting good skaters/ puck moving D with good skating , physically present D is a recipe for success.

 

I hope we can keep both Zads and Soucy for a few years yet.

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

apparently Myers broke Draistyl rib in playoff action,. 
and I’m pretty sure Zads put an end to Kanes back ..

im wondering if Kane is going to coast into retirement now.

 

Offsetting good skaters/ puck moving D with good skating , physically present D is a recipe for success.

 

I hope we can keep both Zads and Soucy for a few years yet.

 

Kane is on the decline and sucked in the playoffs. I think he'd be thrilled to coast off into the sunset making another 10 mil from EDM.

 

[Rusty Shackleford]

5 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

apparently Myers broke Draistyl rib in playoff action,. 
and I’m pretty sure Zads put an end to Kanes back ..

im wondering if Kane is going to coast into retirement now.

 

Offsetting good skaters/ puck moving D with good skating , physically present D is a recipe for success.

 

I hope we can keep both Zads and Soucy for a few years yet.

 

Hoping for this defense group for next season.

 

Hughes - Marino

Zadorov - Hronek

Soucy - Myers

Juulsen

Friedman 

Woo

 

[AnthonyG]

10 hours ago, SilentSam said:

 

The Oli Joulevi Draft pick was a significant blow to this organization.

 

Tkachuk had a direct impact on standings and that would mean Tkachuk = no Pettersson and no Hughes.

 

Also people really need to get over the fucking OJ pick, no team has a perfect draft history. If OJ was the pick that set us so far back, that says a whole lot more about the state of the organization than it does about OJ.

What truly set us back was 2005-2012. Failure year after year to draft anything.

Benning and company made up for it drastically. The best drafting in our organizations history. His odds of turning an organization around drafting from the no. 5 spot and beyond is so much worse than 5 and below.

Look at the Oilers, how many 1st overalls didn’t work out or never lived up to the expectations. 5th overall is not the biggest loss in the draft, fucking up 1st overall is the biggest fuck up.

 

[wai_lai416]

14 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Tkachuk had a direct impact on standings and that would mean Tkachuk = no Pettersson and no Hughes.

 

Also people really need to get over the fucking OJ pick, no team has a perfect draft history. If OJ was the pick that set us so far back, that says a whole lot more about the state of the organization than it does about OJ.

What truly set us back was 2005-2012. Failure year after year to draft anything.

Benning and company made up for it drastically. The best drafting in our organizations history. His odds of turning an organization around drafting from the no. 5 spot and beyond is so much worse than 5 and below.

Look at the Oilers, how many 1st overalls didn’t work out or never lived up to the expectations. 5th overall is not the biggest loss in the draft, fucking up 1st overall is the biggest fuck up.

 

Fuking up a 1st is not the biggest fuk up. Edmonton had 4 1st overall? The only one that truly fuked up was yakupov? At least hall was traded for larsson.. so it’s not a total loss.. drafting 5th/6th overall and getting nothing out of it multiple times while your team is one of the worse since 2014 is a bigger fuk up. Can’t even trade those for other project or use them to dump cap. 

[SilentSam]

17 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Tkachuk had a direct impact on standings and that would mean Tkachuk = no Pettersson and no Hughes.

 

Also people really need to get over the fucking OJ pick, no team has a perfect draft history. If OJ was the pick that set us so far back, that says a whole lot more about the state of the organization than it does about OJ.

What truly set us back was 2005-2012. Failure year after year to draft anything.

Benning and company made up for it drastically. The best drafting in our organizations history. His odds of turning an organization around drafting from the no. 5 spot and beyond is so much worse than 5 and below.

Look at the Oilers, how many 1st overalls didn’t work out or never lived up to the expectations. 5th overall is not the biggest loss in the draft, fucking up 1st overall is the biggest fuck up.

 

it’s not so much the pick Anthony ,

 it’s the length of the paitience we had for OJ..

yes , everyone makes mistakes in picks,.  But the finer detail is watching how they do, or do not progress..

and at what point do you try to move away from that player.

Always something to learn from revisiting history.

Covid / Bubble I’m sure was a factor with his “injuries”.

   But Joulevi got more than the benefit of doubt in his timeline with the Canucks , perhaps more than anyone else would have given to him .

 

[Elias Pettersson]

 

[Alflives]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

 

“Until July 1”? Sounds like we either sign Big Z before he becomes a UFA or he’s going to the highest bidder. 

[Viking]

Keep Zadorov but dont want to see cap hit reach 5m. Would give term as his size and skating should hold up well long term

 

5yr 4.5m per

 

or

 

6yr x 4.3m per with trade protection of some kind

 

or

 

7yr 4.1m per

[AnthonyG]

Just now, SilentSam said:

it’s not so much the pick Anthony ,

 it’s the length of the paitience we had for OJ..

yes , everyone makes mistakes in picks,.  But the finer detail is watching how they do, or do not progress..

and at what point do you try to move away from that player.

Always something to learn from revisiting history.

Covid / Bubble I’m sure was a factor with his “injuries”.

   But Joulevi got more than the benefit of doubt in his timeline with the Canucks , perhaps more than anyone else would have given to him .

 

And did anyone stop to think that maybe OJ who was one of the harder hit by COVID suffered from any respiratory issues? Which may have explained his conditioning? I mean, Sutters career is over. OJ made the team in 2020-21, he was on the opening night roster and played 15 games before COVID. After COVID he played 8 games. 
 

OJ was more bad luck than anything, how do you progress while recovering from injuries, having to rehab them and get back to form, year after year and then have COVID come and hit you like a ton of bricks. That’s not a failure on anyone’s part, that’s just unfortunate and all teams go through unfortunate prospects and then failed prospects, it’s a part of the process. But 1 guy should not be the biggest reason for a set back. It’s multiple failures that add up and set you back.

Hodgson/Kassian, Gaunce, White, Jensen, Schroeder…. All first round failures.  Grabner traded for Ballard and Oreskovich, no picks 1-3 in 2010…. We were in a very deep talent deficit. The prospect pipeline was empty. OJ highlights what the actual issue was the whole time, everything that came and went before him. The years of failure to draft and develop anything outside of Mason Raymond and Ben Hutton….. out of 46 picks (not including Bourdon RIP) that’s absolutely fucking pathetic. 
 

[stawns]

11 hours ago, SilentSam said:

 

The Oli Joulevi Draft pick was a significant blow to this organization.

 

 

The draft pick was fine, the subsequent string of devastating injuries was not.

[SilentSam]

 

 

[Bure10Kuzmenko96]

8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

Now, I'm not confident. Ugh