Meanwhile... the guys we should have in our top 6 vs the ones we get stuck with...

[DexM94]

16 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

how do you know we didn't? maybe the ask was Lekkerimaki, like it was for Guentzel. 

well, the return of Toffoli's trade indicated that the price wasn't a top prospect.

[Bob Long]

Just now, DexM94 said:

well, the return of Toffoli's trade indicated that the price wasn't a top prospect.

 

no, it showed what that deal was. It was reported most teams didn't want our picks, they wanted our prospects. Calgary was willing to play ball on a quantity vs quality move. 

[CanuckMan]

Both Monahan/Toffoli were players I wanted. Made trade threads for both of them. I think we would have been a better team if we had both of them instead of Lindholm. 7 pts in 20 games doesn’t scream like a win. If people say it takes time to adjust then how does Monahan have 15 pts in 20 games.

[DexM94]

2 hours ago, Down By the River said:

Suggesting that we got "stuck" with Pius Suter when he has been playing way above his cap hit makes this a bit of an overdramatic joke. 

 

Lindholm has not worked out offensively. There is still time. 

he can play above his cap hit as much as you said, he's still not a top 6 material and not producing as a top 6. 
he will do wonder in the bottom 6 where he belongs, but ffs Tocc should stop deploy him on the first two lines.

on the other hand, i'm back in the Mikh wagon, i really really liked his recent plays.   
 

[DexM94]

4 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

no, it showed what that deal was. It was reported most teams didn't want our picks, they wanted our prospects. Calgary was willing to play ball on a quantity vs quality move. 

where ?

i can see the mechanic of "Calgary's picks > Vancouver's picks", but a 2nd and a 3rd are not equals to a Lekkerimaki (best scorer in the WJC) or a Willander. So what type of prospect do we talking about ? Bains ? Karlsson ? Sasson ? I would trade any of them 10 times out of 10 in purpose of adding Toffoli on Petey's wing.

i just hope Winnipeg will exit early, and 1st July Toffoli and Tanev would sign here. 
  

[wai_lai416]

40 minutes ago, Moeknows said:

we already know Toffoli has chemistry with EP. Tof's the one we should have gone for

having chemistry for 10 games doesnt really mean much. he only had like 2 goals in the bubble playoff.. hardly call that chemistry. EP seemed to have chemistry with kuzmenko and mikheyev last season too? did that mean anything? toffoli was 100% not available at the time of the lindholm trade.. he prolly wasn't going to be available till the TDL.. and we simply didn't have the cap space available at TDL even if we have the asset required for the trade and would require multiple retention that would cost additional asset and even then they still would need to move around 1mil just to fit him in.

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, spook007 said:

Deer kill more people each year than sharks.

Those hooves can cut you open, then there are  those antlers on their heads.

Sounds like they are horribly dangerous animals

until one remembers that humans spend very little time in the water, with sharks; and quite a bit of time sharing the land, with deer.

[spook007]

1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

And to be honest, I'd rather him find his game late in the season, and knocking our socks off in the Playoffs.

Unlike Loui at least Lindholm wins faceoffs, and is contributing in other ways. It's not like he hasn't had chances, they haven't been going in.

There's always a scapegoat on the Canucks. When Brock was struggling there was cries of "trade him!" The guy has 36 goals and 30 assists, and there still those that scream "trade him!"

Some are still upset at the Hronek trade. I wonder how many on CDC and CFF if they were given a choice between a boat and the mystery box how many would take the mystery box?

 

 

[canucks curse]

Toff killing it in the peg 

[canucks curse]

I imagine Lindy gonna play killer Defensive hockey in playoffs 

I also think he will chip in with sone timely offensive plays 

[Strawbone]

Way too early to be writing Lindholm off. He's been disappointing offensively so far for sure, but if he steps it up in the playoffs as players are known to do, all will be good.

[spook007]

46 minutes ago, DexM94 said:

well, the return of Toffoli's trade indicated that the price wasn't a top prospect.

indicated and indicated.... None of us knows, what the price was gonna be...

And they could have waited, not made the trade and ended up with nothing?

Or even worse, the SC final winning goal could be scored by Lindholm, and we'd be sitting saying, he could have been ours...? 

 

[Optimist Prime]

I like to "highlight" one Canucks player per game and watch everything that one player does every shift, on my big screen at home. It makes the games fun and I get more out of each game than I ever thought the style of watching would bring me. Last night I was watching Lindholm's entire game and it was a good one. 

He is a bit snakebit points wise, but that will make him so much cheaper to re-sign. haha. 

 

We know he 'can' put up 60, 70 and 80 points offensively and we know he can be relied upon defensively to be a hard working backchecker and play to the system. 

I get that 7 points in 20 games isn't breaking any records, but imagine we sign him reasonably for future years to be our 3rd C? That makes this club really deep while our core is in their prime. 

Centers: 

Petey
Miller

Lindholm

Blueger

secondary centers this year:

Suter

Aman

Lafferty
possible callup:

Aatu Raty

Max Sasson

Lekkerimaki

 

I think Lindholm is a value to our team and if he has a bit of a scoring drought, that only helps us re-sign for better cap value, IMO. I am at least going to wait to see what he brings to the totality of the end season and then playoffs before I turn on him. He has some high end skills and is adjusting to our team/system/coach AND adjusting his life to Vancouver. I am thinking about our wingers though: what if Dakota Joshua, Teddy Blueger, and Conor Garland were our fourth line? I find that an exciting concept. Lindholm, Mikheyev and Lafferty on the third line make that entire trio on our fourth a possibility, and that is extreme depth!

[spook007]

1 hour ago, HKSR said:

I look at it as even if we don't re-sign Lindholm, we've freed up nearly $6M in cap for an upgrade.  Could mean we poach teams that are cap crunched and desperate to sell (see VGK and CAR).  Could mean we acquire assets for pennies on the dollar because of our cap space this off season.  I'll reserve judgment until:

1. We see what Lindholm does in the playoffs.

2. We see what PA/JR do with the cap space.

That is exactly it....

If Lindholm fails to impress, he is history... no retention, no trade for additional cap, all for the cost of a late 1st, a player who didn't want to sign for us, and a $5M player who wasn't in their plans going forward.

 

With the cap rise, Kuz/Lindhiolm cap vanishing and Myers cap vanishing, there are more than enough for pay rises, to Petey, Hronek, Bluger Joshua and Zad should they wish to do so... (or close to...), makes it a lot easier to navigate over the summer.

 

[JIAHN]

There is no doubt that Lindholm has not impressed offensively, but at least he did not score a own goal on his first shift!

 

I think we should look at the silver lining, and acknowledge Lindholm's face Off percentage, that has to be near the top of the league since coming to Vancouver. It was much needed, and will pay dividends, come playoff time. I take you back to the days of Manny Malhotra, and how his defensive game and Face off percentages were so valued. IMO, Lindholm is very close to the same type of player, and it is the value of the assets that were used to acquire him, is what hurts, when looking at his contribution.

 

There is no doubt, I would like to see him, score more, but he looked much better in the Buffalo game, and as long as he can keep the F/O percentage up, I can over look, his offensive contributions. If he can be a defensive shutdown center, and contribute a little offense, I would be good with that.

 

The asset loss still hurts, but.............it is what it costs........

[Sophomore Jinx]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

Deer kill more people each year than sharks.

Those hooves can cut you open, then there are  those antlers on their heads.

Sounds like they are horribly dangerous animals

until one remembers that humans spend very little time in the water, with sharks; and quite a bit of time sharing the land, with deer.

Deer are assholes, pretend Bambi mofos

[Odjickwillkillyou]

6 hours ago, DexM94 said:

It will hunt us very soon, if its not already the case.

 

 

 

If only we still had Brad Hunt on our blueline!!! 

[Sativika]

If I recall correctly, Lindholm was the #1 trade target when trade talks began this season. I heard his and Guentzal's names uttered most prominently and not just as targets for us; other teams radar too!

 

I feel we gave up, along with a struggling Kuzy, just what the asking price was. Flames might've wanted our top young Swede prospects included somewhere, but a 1st, 4th and two lesser prospects got 'er done. However, I did lament the loss of the promising, Hunter Brzustewicz though. A RH defenseman is a commodity for any hockey team and his inclusion along with our 1st was IMO, what got them talking.

 

I was stoked that we acquired Lindholm. Especially as early as we did a month before TDL. Any trade acquisition is a crap shoot. Did we lose out? Not at all. We got the consensus #1 of this season's trade bait list. We gave up a commodity, but we got one back in a RH centre. Yea. Okay. He might not have been impactful right off the bat.I get it. But........................

 

His circumstances surrounding his trade were kinda', if you will, weird! Traded a month before TDL, finding out while AllStar stuff was going on, he as an Allstar selection for his Flames/Canucks?!?!?!???! team, immediate road trip following AllStar week with his new team, returning to his new home team in Vancouver and still living out of his suitcase' luggage in a hotel. To me, that's a lot to process. 

 

And really he had no time to acclimate himself to his new team, city, etc. No practices, probably little communique with coaching....I dunno. I'm not saying this has anything to do with his poor offensive output for us. Nor is it an excuse for his lack of proper placement in our lineup. I dunno. all that crap is up to the coaches. I'm confident they'll figure it out.

 

In the meantime what he does bring is what RT likes in a player. He's a 200ft playing centre. That's a good thing to have. He's a FO specialist, and he's a righty ta' boot! 

Given time he'll get us some offence.

 

Is there anyone on our team that can take the mantle of what Lindholm had in Gaudreau and Tkachuk with the Flames? I thought not. So, if you wanted an instant impact right off the get go from him, maybe we shoulda' got us a scoring winger as well. 

Cheers.

Edited March 20 by Sativika

[Pears]

2 hours ago, CanuckMan said:

Both Monahan/Toffoli were players I wanted. Made trade threads for both of them. I think we would have been a better team if we had both of them instead of Lindholm. 7 pts in 20 games doesn’t scream like a win. If people say it takes time to adjust then how does Monahan have 15 pts in 20 games.

But winning faceoffs at a 60% clip since while engaging physically does. You won't see Monahan or Toffoli do either of those things. 

[PhillipBlunt]

Lindholm is a solid faceoff contributor and has shown a lot more tenacity lately. I see him scoring against Montreal. 

[MatchesMalone]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

how do you know we didn't? maybe the ask was Lekkerimaki, like it was for Guentzel. 

 

What are you talking about? We know exactly what the price to beat was. Winnipeg paid a 2nd and a 3rd. Nowhere in the same stratosphere as Lekkerimaki.

[DexM94]

4 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

What will it hunt us with?

Lol 

well Toffoli is a pure sniper so… I guess it works  

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, DexM94 said:

Lol 

well Toffoli is a pure sniper so… I guess it works  

I can see him being contained by our less than friendly defense. 

[JeremyCuddles]

Suter was signed in the offseason, I'd argue Mikheyev has cost us a true top 6 winger. But he is coming along recently. So maybe he'll be locked in just as the playoffs start. Copium, hopeium.

[Pears]

3 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said:

Suter was signed in the offseason, I'd argue Mikheyev has cost us a true top 6 winger. But he is coming along recently. So maybe he'll be locked in just as the playoffs start. Copium, hopeium.

Mikheyev was a legit top six winger before his injury and the one he had unfortunately takes longer for players like him to get back up to speed than others. He has thankfully shown good progress over the last couple weeks which will hopefully bode well for us in the playoffs.