BPA Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 minute ago, 112 said: trans woman, transgender person, etc. Ok. Thank you for the info. So a Trans woman is when a male transitions to be a female? Is that correct? Does a Trans women still have male genitalia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BPA said: Ok. Thank you for the info. So a Trans woman is when a male transitions to be a female? Is that correct? Does a Trans women still have male genitalia? Yes, male-to-female transitioners are trans women. A trans woman can have male genitalia if she's not had sexual reassignment surgery. Transgender is a catch-all term, but I believe transsexual is reserved for those who've undergone sex reassignment. Edited April 4 by 112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 3 minutes ago, BPA said: Does a Trans women still have male genitalia? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's not really my business either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 15 minutes ago, 112 said: Yes, male-to-female transitioners are trans women. A trans woman can have male genitalia if she's not had sexual reassignment surgery. Transgender is a catch-all term, but I believe transsexual is reserved for those who've undergone sex reassignment. I think transsexual is starting to go out of fashion a bit these days, similar to how "transvestite" isn't used much anymore, though some older people probably still use it. The easiest way to refer to them is probably just "transgender person", though I guess each person has their own preferences, especially given how some people can feel like they're at various different points in their journey of transition. It's not uncommon at all for a person to go through several different labels in their journey of self-discovery before often finally settling on something after years of that journey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: I think transsexual is starting to go out of fashion a bit these days, similar to how "transvestite" isn't used much anymore, though some older people probably still use it. The easiest way to refer to them is probably just "transgender person", though I guess each person has their own preferences, especially given how some people can feel like they're at various different points in their journey of transition. It's not uncommon at all for a person to go through several different labels in their journey of self-discovery before often finally settling on something after years of that journey. Yeah, I feel like transsexual has negative connotations about it. Transgender is definitely the best, most general word to use and doesn't have stigma necessarily attached to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, BPA said: They need those private stalls put in the older community centres asap. Trans are using women’s swimming change areas (Bonsor). As of now, there are no safe spaces for women to get changed. And yes I did witness this. Although it was only 1 time. I hadn’t heard or seen anything since then. Nothing wrong with discussing this, does not indict someone as a bigot or phobe for talking about it. 1 hour ago, 112 said: This is a non-issue. If someone has an issue with something, is uncomfortable or asks questions then it should be something people respect and take seriously. After all this IS what society is teaching. 1 hour ago, BPA said: No. The young girls exited the community centre in their wet swimming clothes. Again, this would deserve a discussion and can be a teachable moment for anyone involved to better figure out how to make something work for everyone moving forward. 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: Seems like a pretty poor job by the bigots they have for parents then. Simple garbage response, these kind of replies and labels are why things devolve, too many people try to shut others up by attacking who they are or name calling rather than discussing or even debating things. Very disappointing aspect of society today. 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Some parents freaking out for no real reason isn't something to base policy on. This is true, maybe some educational discussions and in general people coming together to work out and talk about their concerns or help others understand things can be helpful. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 19 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Nothing wrong with discussing this, does not indict someone as a bigot or phobe for talking about it. If someone has an issue with something, is uncomfortable or asks questions then it should be something people respect and take seriously. After all this IS what society is teaching. Again, this would deserve a discussion and can be a teachable moment for anyone involved to better figure out how to make something work for everyone moving forward. Simple garbage response, these kind of replies and labels are why things devolve, too many people try to shut others up by attacking who they are or name calling rather than discussing or even debating things. Very disappointing aspect of society today. This is true, maybe some educational discussions and in general people coming together to work out and talk about their concerns or help others understand things can be helpful. Transgender women are women. Gender identity and expression are protected by the Charter. Why, then, should they be barred from using female spaces? There is no discussion here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 I can understand the concern and how cisgender girls/women could be uncomfortable around trans women due to their different anatomy, but the fear of perversion or rape or something stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of trans people and their motives. I can promise that almost every single trans woman in a changing room just wants to do their thing and move on without being a bother to anyone at all. The fear of a trans person doing something malicious in a change room is just as justified as the fear you'll run into a random psycho murderer on the street--it's incredibly unlikely. Regardless, I do think private stalls just solves all problems and is the best solution for all involved. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 About a decade ago, universal/family change rooms began showing up at rec centers. Society did not end. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 7 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I can understand the concern and how cisgender girls/women could be uncomfortable around trans women due to their different anatomy, but the fear of perversion or rape or something stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of trans people and their motives. I can promise that almost every single trans woman in a changing room just wants to do their thing and move on without being a bother to anyone at all. The fear of a trans person doing something malicious in a change room is just as justified as the fear you'll run into a random psycho murderer on the street--it's incredibly unlikely. Regardless, I do think private stalls just solves all problems and is the best solution for all involved. At work we install privacy stalls for public washrooms. Redid gender neutral washrooms at multiple schools. Boom problem solved. Why we have washroom stalls with gaps in the privacy construction is beyond me. I know I sure as fuck wouldn't care if a similarly equipped trans woman took the urinal next to me as long as they adhere to the no talking code found in men's washrooms 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I see this happening in prisons more and more. https://www.npr.org/2024/04/01/1242104061/colorado-plans-to-create-special-housing-units-for-transgender-women-in-prisons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I guess it's not a surprise for the Vatican to be stuck in the past... Vatican Document Casts Gender Change and Fluidity as Threat to Human Dignity The statement is likely to be embraced by conservatives and stir consternation among L.G.B.T.Q. advocates who fear it will be used as a cudgel against transgender people. The sex a person is assigned at birth, the document argued, was an “irrevocable gift” from God and “any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception.” People who desire “a personal self-determination, as gender theory prescribes,” risk succumbing “to the age-old temptation to make oneself God.” Regarding surrogacy, the document unequivocally stated the Roman Catholic Church’s opposition, whether the woman carrying a baby “is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely.” Surrogacy makes the child “a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others,” the Vatican said in the document, which also opposed in vitro fertilization. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/world/europe/vatican-sex-change-surrogacy-dignity.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 57 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I guess it's not a surprise for the Vatican to be stuck in the past... Vatican Document Casts Gender Change and Fluidity as Threat to Human Dignity The statement is likely to be embraced by conservatives and stir consternation among L.G.B.T.Q. advocates who fear it will be used as a cudgel against transgender people. The sex a person is assigned at birth, the document argued, was an “irrevocable gift” from God and “any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception.” People who desire “a personal self-determination, as gender theory prescribes,” risk succumbing “to the age-old temptation to make oneself God.” Regarding surrogacy, the document unequivocally stated the Roman Catholic Church’s opposition, whether the woman carrying a baby “is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely.” Surrogacy makes the child “a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others,” the Vatican said in the document, which also opposed in vitro fertilization. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/world/europe/vatican-sex-change-surrogacy-dignity.html Pass the plate tho. If the Vatican sold off its assets it could solve hunger, so they can fuck off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Satchmo said: I guess it's not a surprise for the Vatican to be stuck in the past... Vatican Document Casts Gender Change and Fluidity as Threat to Human Dignity The statement is likely to be embraced by conservatives and stir consternation among L.G.B.T.Q. advocates who fear it will be used as a cudgel against transgender people. The sex a person is assigned at birth, the document argued, was an “irrevocable gift” from God and “any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception.” People who desire “a personal self-determination, as gender theory prescribes,” risk succumbing “to the age-old temptation to make oneself God.” Regarding surrogacy, the document unequivocally stated the Roman Catholic Church’s opposition, whether the woman carrying a baby “is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely.” Surrogacy makes the child “a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others,” the Vatican said in the document, which also opposed in vitro fertilization. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/world/europe/vatican-sex-change-surrogacy-dignity.html I wasn't aware Jesus said anything about transgenderism. The Church also seems to be operating under a curious definition of dignity; trans people generally don't consider it a dignity to live as their assigned sex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Who assigns sex at birth? I'm presuming it is a Dr.; so what happens if a Dr says the child is female, even if it has male genitalia? according to this 'church' decree- there is now nothing to be done, and the kid will just have to live with the doctors mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sharpshooter Posted April 10 Popular Post Share Posted April 10 20 hours ago, Gurn said: Who assigns sex at birth? I'm presuming it is a Dr.; so what happens if a Dr says the child is female, even if it has male genitalia? according to this 'church' decree- there is now nothing to be done, and the kid will just have to live with the doctors mistake. What about those that have both genitalia? Why won’t anyone think of the hermaphrodites!!? And don’t say “They can go fuck themselves”. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jess Posted April 11 Popular Post Share Posted April 11 On 4/8/2024 at 5:20 PM, Satchmo said: I guess it's not a surprise for the Vatican to be stuck in the past... Vatican Document Casts Gender Change and Fluidity as Threat to Human Dignity The statement is likely to be embraced by conservatives and stir consternation among L.G.B.T.Q. advocates who fear it will be used as a cudgel against transgender people. The sex a person is assigned at birth, the document argued, was an “irrevocable gift” from God and “any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception.” People who desire “a personal self-determination, as gender theory prescribes,” risk succumbing “to the age-old temptation to make oneself God.” Regarding surrogacy, the document unequivocally stated the Roman Catholic Church’s opposition, whether the woman carrying a baby “is coerced into it or chooses to subject herself to it freely.” Surrogacy makes the child “a mere means subservient to the arbitrary gain or desire of others,” the Vatican said in the document, which also opposed in vitro fertilization. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/world/europe/vatican-sex-change-surrogacy-dignity.html God damn, if the Vatican seriously thinks trans people are trying to "make themselves God", they are even more out of touch with trans people than I thought. It honestly sounds like they've never had an honest converstation with a gender-diverse person in their lives. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: God damn, if the Vatican seriously thinks trans people are trying to "make themselves God", they are even more out of touch with trans people than I thought. It honestly sounds like they've never had an honest converstation with gender-diverse person in their lives. If I take medication for high blood pressure, am I not also 'playing God' in the same manner as they say trans people are? Their argument can be shewn to be absurd when we think of all the other medical interventions that exist for whatever condition. I'm insulting the unique dignity of my hypertension when I go on beta blockers. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, 112 said: If I take medication for high blood pressure, am I not also 'playing God' in the same manner as they say trans people are? Their argument can be shewn to be absurd when we think of all the other medical interventions that exist for whatever condition. I'm insulting the unique dignity of my hypertension when I go on beta blockers. I wonder what the Vatican Council thoughts on boner pills are? god intended thee to be limp, lay ye shall be limp. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, 112 said: If I take medication for high blood pressure, am I not also 'playing God' in the same manner as they say trans people are? Their argument can be shewn to be absurd when we think of all the other medical interventions that exist for whatever condition. I'm insulting the unique dignity of my hypertension when I go on beta blockers. Heaven forbid I get eye surgery to eliminate my "God-given gift" of poor eyesight. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
112 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Heaven forbid I get eye surgery to eliminate my "God given gift" of poor eyesight. I also wonder about people who have schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder or other psychotic illnesses. Are people with these conditions who take antipsychotics throwing away their seer's/prophet's gift? Would such a thing not be an affront to Christianity? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, 112 said: I also wonder about people who have schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder or other psychotic illnesses. Are people with these conditions who take antipsychotics throwing away their seer's/prophet's gift? Would such a thing not be an affront to Christianity? interestingly, those folks were often viewed as having greater connections to the spirit world in small scale societies, so yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, 112 said: I also wonder about people who have schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder or other psychotic illnesses. Are people with these conditions who take antipsychotics throwing away their seer's/prophet's gift? Would such a thing not be an affront to Christianity? It's wildly inconsistent. They consider gender dsyphoria a mental illness like all these other ones, but for whatever reason, aren't okay with medically treating gender dysphoria when they are for all these other ones. For some reason, with gender dysphoria, your only option is therapy whereas for most other mental illnesses you have permission to take medication to help you be better aligned. At the end of the day, they just rule out gender change before the conversation even begins, so by the time you get to how to deal with gender dysphoria, they've already ruled out any form of transition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharpshooter Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, -AJ- said: Heaven forbid I get eye surgery to eliminate my "God-given gift" of poor eyesight. The blind leading the almost blind? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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