[PGT] Canucks vs Quacks ... Huge Game

[spook007]

18 hours ago, 43isprime said:

If you had to bet on one player to show up for any given game, would you bet on:

 

Pettersson or Garland?

Pettersson or Joshua?

Pettersson or Hoglander?

 

If you had to bet on one poster to have a moan about Pettersson after any given game, would you bet on:

 

43isprime?

43isprime?

43isprime?

 

That would be the Pettersson whose stats are 33-51-84.... Imagine a lousy player having these stats... 

[Chon derry]

14 minutes ago, IBatch said:

If you're 45 or so or older, then yes you've got a free pass.   Doesn't mean we need to be bitter though.   And if you're going to be a realist, then the realist is we were a bubble team, on the low side of making a wild card spot this year.   And now are challenging to have the 3rd maybe even 2nd best regular season in franchise history.     No we haven't won anything yet, but from where i'm sitting having gone through the 80's growing up,  still haven't lost hope.   Don't count the 70's was still too young.   Realistically, now, with 32 teams, we should average a cup every 32 years - and just like flipping a coin, even if it's heads 99 times in a row, the 100th flip it's still 50/50.     Maybe just relax and enjoy it more.    Have seen mediocre regular seasons win cup(s), great ones win nothing.   Usually, it's one of the better ones that actually wins though, and this team absolutely is one of the better ones, even without Demko. 

Trust me ,  You didn’t miss anything from the 70s. Although there didn’t seem to be a media bias back then like these days.  but the disrespect more so than not showed up on the scoreboard. 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

Edited April 1 by Rip The Mesh

[Dr. Crossbar]

27 minutes ago, kilgore said:

Yes. This is an honest view. Its not "negative".  Its realistic.

As a long time Canucks fan, the angst is part of the package.  I don't know how someone can be 100% satisfied with how the team looks at the moment so close to the playoffs. I too don't care about wins or losses right now, just in the play on the ice.

 

You have a lot of things going on in this paragraph. Negativity and criticism are two different things. Negativity and realism are two separate things. Positivity is not dishonest. Angst isn't necessarily part of the package. It's also a choice. Ultimately it comes down to choice. 

 

Imo, all the losing seasons were excuses for many people to be negative. I get the frustration. But people could also hide behind that and be right. Now that we're good and contending, there's less justification to be negative and some chronic negativity is getting exposed.

 

I've been a Canucks fan my entire life. Been through it all with everyone else. With respect - I like your posts - I know you admit that you don't know how someone can be 100% satisfied with how the team looks at the moment. Well, I haven't seen anyone say they were satisfied. The issue seems to be around "concern" and being having concern. Just because people are less concerned and alarmed than others doesn't mean they're satisfied or dishonest in their view. 

 

The thing for me yesterday was that I wasn't expecting us to dominate. I went into the game without any expectations. Also knowing key guys like Zad, Lindy, DeSmith, and Demko weren't playing and we were relying more on Silovs, Bains, Juulsen, Podz, etc. There were also good points in that game despite the team being fatigued and not having their best game.

 

I think it was equally as realistic and honest to be happy that we got the win not having our A-game, seeing the good, and not have such huge expectations that we were supposed to dominate. It's been a grind this second half, we've faced a lot of challenges, and really need to be healthy and have guys ready for the first round. 

 

Not trying to be an asshole here, just giving the other side. 

 

[IBatch]

18 minutes ago, spook007 said:

If you had to bet on one poster to have a moan about Pettersson after any given game, would you bet on:

 

43isprime?

43isprime?

43isprime?

 

That would be the Pettersson whose stats are 33-51-84.... Imagine a lousy player having these stats... 

Sure he will be there when he's needed the most.   Guys figured out how to draw a penalty.   And he's got a pretty good idea what to expect come playoff time.   

[spook007]

Just now, IBatch said:

Sure he will be there when he's needed the most.   Guys figured out how to draw a penalty.   And he's got a pretty good idea what to expect come playoff time.   

 

Amazed at the stick he is taking from some quarters... 

 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

Edited April 1 by Rip The Mesh

[kilgore]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

You have a lot of things going on in this paragraph. Negativity and criticism are two different things. Negativity and realism are two separate things. Positivity is not dishonest. Angst isn't necessarily part of the package. It's also a choice. Ultimately it comes down to choice. 

 

Imo, all the losing seasons were excuses for many people to be negative. I get the frustration. But people could also hide behind that and be right. Now that we're good and contending, there's less justification to be negative and some chronic negativity is getting exposed.

 

I've been a Canucks fan my entire life. Been through it all with everyone else. With respect - I like your posts - I know you admit that you don't know how someone can be 100% satisfied with how the team looks at the moment. Well, I haven't seen anyone say they were satisfied. The issue seems to be around "concern" and being having concern. Just because people are less concerned and alarmed than others doesn't mean they're satisfied or dishonest in their view. 

 

The thing for me yesterday was that I wasn't expecting us to dominate. I went into the game without any expectations. Also knowing key guys like Zad, Lindy, DeSmith, and Demko weren't playing and we were relying more on Silovs, Bains, Juulsen, Podz, etc. There were also good points in that game despite the team being fatigued and not having their best game.

 

I think it was equally as realistic and honest to be happy that we got the win not having our A-game, seeing the good, and not have such huge expectations that we were supposed to dominate. It's been a grind this second half, we've faced a lot of challenges, and really need to be healthy and have guys ready for the first round. 

 

Not trying to be an asshole here, just giving the other side. 

 

 

Yeah, I was just being honest here.  I am a long time fan, if you count starting in 91.  The trepidation is baked in at this point. I just live with it.

 

That's why I can say I am of two minds. Part of me sees a few quirks and quibbles I could raise. The other part is stoked about the playoffs. And loves the job JR/PA have done.  Miller, the best acquisition in Benning's term. Thank gawd he wasn't around to drop him in favour of paying Horvat even more...which I could totally see happening with JB.  The list of support players which has pretty well been totally revamped. Our D. I could go on.  Believe me I'm ecstatic right now.

 

I try an find a balance.  Although I do admit I have a problem of seeing all the bad that can go wrong first, in order not to be too surprised and hurt when something goes south.  A natural defense mechanism, that I have used many time over the years with this team.

 

I think there is a difference between always seeing negativity, and seeing those same concerns but also seeing the positives.  And actually being able to enjoy those positives when they happen despite the concerns.  Its a fine line, where one or two here haven't learned to balance that yet and I feel sorry for them living in a cloud, waiting for the team to lose.  That's not me.  Its just that I can't pretend that this team looks as good as it did before the All Star break. But I also believe that this team has enough character and talent to turn it up to eleven once the post season starts. And we can beat anyone then, even team McJesus.

[Jaimito]

I'm ok with being the underdog. 

[kilgore]

3 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

I'm ok with being the underdog. 

 

Who would have thought we'd be ahead of the Laffs in the odds, if you asked back in September? 

[27 Percent]

3 hours ago, Pears said:

Imagine being this blatantly obtuse when we by far have the best record against top 10 teams at 15-5-3 or a .717 win percentage. 

How many of those wins have come lately? This team isn't playing like it was earlier in the season is all I'm saying. The concerns are justified. A 3-2 nail-biting win against a bottom feeding team won't change my mind.

[The Arrogant Worms]

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 hour ago, kilgore said:

 

Yeah, I was just being honest here.  I am a long time fan, if you count starting in 91.  The trepidation is baked in at this point. I just live with it.

 

That's why I can say I am of two minds. Part of me sees a few quirks and quibbles I could raise. The other part is stoked about the playoffs. And loves the job JR/PA have done.  Miller, the best acquisition in Benning's term. Thank gawd he wasn't around to drop him in favour of paying Horvat even more...which I could totally see happening with JB.  The list of support players which has pretty well been totally revamped. Our D. I could go on.  Believe me I'm ecstatic right now.

 

I try an find a balance.  Although I do admit I have a problem of seeing all the bad that can go wrong first, in order not to be too surprised and hurt when something goes south.  A natural defense mechanism, that I have used many time over the years with this team.

 

I think there is a difference between always seeing negativity, and seeing those same concerns but also seeing the positives.  And actually being able to enjoy those positives when they happen despite the concerns.  Its a fine line, where one or two here haven't learned to balance that yet and I feel sorry for them living in a cloud, waiting for the team to lose.  That's not me.  Its just that I can't pretend that this team looks as good as it did before the All Star break. But I also believe that this team has enough character and talent to turn it up to eleven once the post season starts. And we can beat anyone then, even team McJesus.

 

Thanks for your honesty. Appreciate it. It's refreshing around here.

 

We're not far off in our viewpoints in many aspects. I'm just not invested in the concern and alarmism because - in my experiences - how things are now aren't necessarily how things will be next week. I just don't go to those absolutes. It's what I was saying during that amazing run with Bruce ... I was saying this team is better than what you're seeing now, so being overly concerned, doom and gloom, will change. Especially with our core maturing. Thankfully, we finally have competent management that knew this.

 

I'm not pretending that the team hasn't been struggling since the ASG - no one's asking anyone to pretend - I see it - but that doesn't mean we won't get it together. Our numbers as of late aren't that bad at all. There's been a lot of good. We have the talent, skill, and pieces to do so. And we've been a top team, so I'm not as concerned as some.

 

I get the whole finding balance dilemma. It can be difficult after so many losing seasons. Also with the Benning era so fresh. It's important not just individually but also collectively to strike a healthy balance as a fanbase. There needs to be a balance otherwise it's just all negativity and collective toxicity.

 

I've said this before a couple of times but I used to admin a popular message board (in a different industry) just like this one only much, much bigger. I've seen all of these patterns of behavior and language many times over. I've seen and experienced firsthand the extremes of where online negativity can lead and what toxic tribes of people can do. Some things you absolutely wouldn't believe. What people do and say on a message board - and why they say it - and why they behave a certain way, their motives, and what their behavior is governed by - is complex and shouldn't be looked at as reality. That's the problem. The same goes for social media. I'm actually thinking about writing a book about it, I'm passionate about it, so apologies for the tangent. lol

 

At least you're honest about the defense mechanism rather than simply being negative and angry as a deflection. In my view, too many people are afraid of being disappointed so it's easier to be negative as protection. At the end of the day, it's really fear of being disappointed. That can be conquered or at least looked at in a different light.

 

Looking forward to these next few games and the post season. It's been a long haul for fans both good and bad. It could be negative but I'm not going there.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 1 by Dr. Crossbar

[Pears]

31 minutes ago, 27 Percent said:

How many of those wins have come lately? This team isn't playing like it was earlier in the season is all I'm saying. The concerns are justified. A 3-2 nail-biting win against a bottom feeding team won't change my mind.

Three straight wins against LA/Vegas/Winnipeg at the beginning of the month just didn't happen I guess. 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

I'm ok with being the underdog. 

 

Not sure what the knights would be higher, but agree with the rest

[Cali Canuck]

16 hours ago, Optimist Prime said:

In trying to describe the Messier era to my wife, I explained, "he may as well have skated laps with a cigarette while giving the fans the finger". Too harsh?

I'd say "he may as well have sat on the bench with a cigarette while giving the fans the finger"

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

I'm ok with being the underdog. 

 

has the betting odds folks seen EDM's goalies?

 

[kilgore]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

Thanks for your honesty. Appreciate it. It's refreshing around here.

 

We're not far off in our viewpoints in many aspects. I'm just not invested in the concern and alarmism because - in my experiences - how things are now aren't necessarily how things will be next week. I just don't go to those absolutes. It's what I was saying during that amazing run with Bruce ... I was saying this team is better than what you're seeing now, so being overly concerned, doom and gloom, will change. Especially with our core maturing. Thankfully, we finally have competent management that knew this.

 

I'm not pretending that the team hasn't been struggling since the ASG - no one's asking anyone to pretend - I see it - but that doesn't mean we won't get it together. Our numbers as of late aren't that bad at all. There's been a lot of good. We have the talent, skill, and pieces to do so. And we've been a top team, so I'm not as concerned as some.

 

I get the whole finding balance dilemma. It can be difficult after so many losing seasons. Also with the Benning era so fresh. It's important not just individually but also collectively to strike a healthy balance as a fanbase. There needs to be a balance otherwise it's just all negativity and collective toxicity.

 

I've said this before a couple of times but I used to admin a popular message board (in a different industry) just like this one only much, much bigger. I've seen all of these patterns of behavior and language many times over. I've seen and experienced firsthand the extremes of where online negativity can lead and what toxic tribes of people can do. Some things you absolutely wouldn't believe. What people do and say on a message board - and why they say it - and why they behave a certain way, their motives, and what their behavior is governed by - is complex and shouldn't be looked at as reality. That's the problem. The same goes for social media. I'm actually thinking about writing a book about it, I'm passionate about it, so apologies for the tangent. lol

 

At least you're honest about the defense mechanism rather than simply being negative and angry as a deflection. In my view, too many people are afraid of being disappointed so it's easier to be negative as protection. At the end of the day, it's really fear of being disappointed. That can be conquered or at least looked at in a different light.

 

Looking forward to these next few games and the post season. It's been a long haul for fans both good and bad. It could be negative but I'm not going there.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks.  They don't call you Doctor for nothing.

 

I try and approach every game, regular season too, positively.  In fact I've never made a prediction score where they lose, even when they were, well, losers. I can't start a game with that kind of preset. I couldn't enjoy watching that way.  Its more of an general defensiveness, spanning decades. I hate that I have it. I'm working on it.  A first round win would help greatly.

 

Go Canucks Go!

 

 

[Rip The Mesh]

1 hour ago, Jaimito said:

I'm ok with being the underdog. 

Oilers got in and rigged it when no was around. 

[Rip The Mesh]

 

[CanuckDownUnder]

4 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

I don't really get it, some folks always look for the worst angle on this team. 

 

I wonder if it is just long term fatigue having so many high expectations over the years and still no big prize. "Here we go again" syndrome.

[Optimist Prime]

2 hours ago, kilgore said:

 

Thanks.  They don't call you Doctor for nothing.

 

I try and approach every game, regular season too, positively.  In fact I've never made a prediction score where they lose, even when they were, well, losers. I can't start a game with that kind of preset. I couldn't enjoy watching that way.  Its more of an general defensiveness, spanning decades. I hate that I have it. I'm working on it.  A first round win would help greatly.

 

Go Canucks Go!

 

 

I play a lot on the BC Lottery Corporations sports betting pages on Playnow.com. I bet "the Canadian" a lot which is five games, the outcomes are multiplied across every combo of the five, so i can get 1 or 2 wrong and still win money, it is about 1/3rd of my bet back if i only get two right: I rarely get less than two right. Often I get 4/5 or 5/5. Anywho...the point of the long winded story is, I know to bet on the team most likely to win, even if that team is playing against Vancouver. I am an optimist when it comes to our club, but when it comes to my money, I am a realist. No shame in calling it like you see it. This year is super easy to be an Optimist, because I see that they can win every game they play, and in fact have won nearly 70% of them. That is not too shabby!

[Barnstorm]

1 hour ago, CanuckDownUnder said:

 

I wonder if it is just long term fatigue having so many high expectations over the years and still no big prize. "Here we go again" syndrome.

I fit that category. Watching since day one and while I always hope for the best my expectations are tainted by year upon year of disappointment. 
 

Even those occasions when we got to the big dance and it looked like we could win the prize the rug seemed to be pulled out from under us due to injury, penalties and/or suspension.
 

Sometimes it feels like we have no luck but bad luck as the target comes into view. 
 

Who knows , maybe this is the year the stars align and things go our way. I believe we’ve got the players and the coaches to get it done, just need some things to roll our way.
 

 

[DeNiro]

On the one hand Lindholm going on the trip is encouraging.

 

Maybe he saw a specialist and they said that he could play through it and it would get better.

 

On the other hand maybe he saw a specialist and they said he needed surgery in the offseason and it’s one of those injuries that won’t get better.

 

We could use him either way because of his faceoffs and his defensive game. Surprising if it is his wrist that he could still be so good on draws though.

[stawns]

1 hour ago, CanuckDownUnder said:

 

I wonder if it is just long term fatigue having so many high expectations over the years and still no big prize. "Here we go again" syndrome.

 

Or some people might see some issues with the team and also understand that it usually takes teams multiple times in the playoffs before they truly make some noise as a contender.

 

Contrary to many of the chuds here, that doesn't mean they aren't cheering for the team as much as anyone