[PGT]Canucks vs Golden Knights - April 8th, 2024

[Smashian Kassian]

1 hour ago, Devron said:

LA losses to Anaheim, hilarious 

 

we have such high standards 

 

Was hilarious seeing LA do the 1-3-1 in a 1-1 tie against Anaheim. Literally sitting back defending the tie against a lottery team. Started to wonder if Willie was still coaching them. 

 

Feel like we've been unlucky to have the record we do against them, they play hard but when healthy I think we can take them in a best of 7.

[Pears]

3 hours ago, Robinfood said:

Ok take breath. Stop projecting. Just pointing out the facts. You have your opinion I have mine. 

No point in getting in a back and forth with this guy, you won't win. 

[24K]

2 hours ago, Devron said:

LA losses to Anaheim, hilarious 

 

we have such high standards 

How the F are we the only team that struggle mightly against those Kings? 

[RomanPer]

7 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

Even if we drop out of 1st in the Pacific?

 

It would only be possible if we dropped to second wild card and would end up on the Central side of the draw. If we finish 1st in Pacific we most likely play top wild card in first round and if we win - we play the winner of 2/3 in Pacific. If we drop to second - we play 3rd in Pacific in 1st round and then the winner of 1sr Pacific vs top wild card. Central teams that are not wild cards - only round 3.

[Jaimito]

7 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

 

Came across this pod with Juice. Inteview starts at 16:58.

 

Interesting comments about Huggy at 31:18 especially. 

Juice a fan of Torts. 

 

Calls QH a killer, wolf in sheep's clothing.

Edited April 10 by Jaimito

[Devron]

3 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Was hilarious seeing LA do the 1-3-1 in a 1-1 tie against Anaheim. Literally sitting back defending the tie against a lottery team. Started to wonder if Willie was still coaching them. 

 

Feel like we've been unlucky to have the record we do against them, they play hard but when healthy I think we can take them in a best of 7.

We definitely had some bad luck with them, deserved better last game! 

[Hairy Kneel]

4 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said:

I’m not saying he does this every game. 
 

He had a great start to the season but as it’s went along i’ve felt less and less sure about him.

 

I’m probably being too harsh on the guy. I think he’s a great team mate and has done a good job for the team overall.

 

But there is probably a reason Silovs is getting starts over him right now. He hasn’t looked good lately. As the season has wore on he’s started playing smaller in net, he’s getting beat up high a lot. 
 

Of course a lot of this is due to him being the “starter” since Demko got injured. Teams figure out how to beat him and it’s open season. He needs to stay tall to see the puck through traffic, but he’s not doing that enough right now... Marky used to do this too. I always said for a big guy he would seem so small in net. Then Clarke rounded his game out and you see the beast he is now.

 

Silovs is your typical Clarke goalie, big with long reach, fills the net positionally, he also stays tall in net, you don’t find him rounding his shoulders and hunching over looking for the puck. He’s upright and looking forward to the play, not down on the play, he doesn’t get lost in the traffic.

 

I’m probably talking silly, it’s just things I notice in good goalies. I used to be one. So it’s my favourite position to watch. A lot of it is mental too, which I think Silovs has over Desmith. He will be our back up next year. Plus saves us some cap money too.

 

 

Actually I really like both our back ups. We're pretty lucky to have this help so that Demko can heal up. But that one atat really stood out for me 14 games of 2 goals or less. And 6 ot losses. We're a solid team when we play our game. But yes we have been a bit off this last 2 weeks. But last night was great to see. The one difference I like with Silov is his size 6'4" 203 lb which helps especially when teams are crashing the crease more. 

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Actually I really like both our back ups. We're pretty lucky to have this help so that Demko can heal up. But that one atat really stood out for me 14 games of 2 goals or less. And 6 ot losses. We're a solid team when we play our game. But yes we have been a bit off this last 2 weeks. But last night was great to see. The one difference I like with Silov is his size 6'4" 203 lb which helps especially when teams are crashing the crease more. 

The club plays with more confidence in front of Silovs too. The players trust him. Not too sure if that same level of trust exists with deSmith at the moment. 

[Hairy Kneel]

Just now, Alflives said:

The club plays with more confidence in front of Silovs too. The players trust him. Not too sure if that same level of trust exists with deSmith at the moment. 

Well they refused to score for Smitty in the Minn game. We lost 1-0

[IBatch]

8 hours ago, MattJVD said:

For traveling pro athletes their income is earned where they play. So a Canuck pays BC income tax on the 41 home games each year. The team deducts and remits appropriate tax for each different location they play in. I don't know exactly how it is administed, but I would imagine the league provides them with the deduction rates for each city, rather than duplicating that function in the payroll department of 32 different clubs. So it's just who was on the 23 man roster at the time of the game in each city.

 

As for visas, that's a good question. I would imagine there is a policy governing it that Canada and the US have agreed on for the league (and all the other cross-border pro sports leagues). 

There is a simplified dumbed down version available to anyone who wants to compare cities.   You will find it 2.5 or so to get to close to the max rates in most cities, including Vancouver...  However the league min, is still way up there.   Google gavingroup calculator and have some fun comparing salaries.   For example,  EDM (during the peak Sedin era our provincial tax was exactly the same as Alberta's, since then it's bumped up 5-6%!) McDavid take home pay.   Who makes more?  McDavid or Bobrovsky?   You will also find that the only US states that come close to the Canadian teams are California and NY.    So yes those games have extra jock tax.   

 

It's not overly complicated.   Seriously it's just a couple hours worth of accounting once the system is in place.   Data entry and submissions.  

 

Without using legacy tax shelters (which of course are also available in the US),  McDavid loses close to 6 million ... take home 6.7ish ... Bobrovsky at 10, is taking home 7.4ish ... It's even worse in Vancouver.   And you can bet EPs salary, same with Nylander, Tavares, Mathews et al is reflected this way.   Stamkos turned down monster deals from SJ and TO.   And took home the same amount of dough in TB.   There was a good article by THN at the time on this.   That extra year, and the taxes ... well.   12 plus is less the same as 9.5-10 in SEA, Dallas, Vegas,  Florida, TB... and places like COL, CHI, PIT etc pay a lot less too. 

 

Edit:  Some people have come out and said it's not as bad as it looks.   It looks pretty bad though.     You can bet players consider this when negotiating their deals, especially UFA's.     TO's got a rap under Dubas for pushing the cap up.    Look what Huberdough just got too.   Kadri.   Horvat in NYI as well.   There is a reason why we see US teams winning cups.   In a cap world every cent counts.   It's  not at all surprising, that mature teams do better in the US.   Vegas, TB, CAR, Dallas, COL, FLD.    The great White North best hope, Canucks (two core UFAs signed so far) and WNP (who somehow is hanging on, thanks to Hellebuyck).

 

 

Edited April 10 by IBatch

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Well they refused to score for Smitty in the Minn game. We lost 1-0

Exactly. The guys lack confidence when deSmith is in nets right now. 

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

There is a simplified dumbed down version available to anyone who wants to compare cities.   You will find it 2.5 or so to get to close to the max rates in most cities, including Vancouver...  However the league min, is still way up there.   Google gavingroup calculator and have some fun comparing salaries.   For example,  EDM (during the peak Sedin era our provincial tax was exactly the same as Alberta's, since then it's bumped up 5-6%!) McDavid take home pay.   Who makes more?  McDavid or Bobrovsky?   You will also find that the only US states that come close to the Canadian teams are California and NY.    So yes those games have extra jock tax.   

 

It's not overly complicated.   Seriously it's just a couple hours worth of accounting once the system is in place.   Data entry and submissions.  

 

Without using legacy tax shelters (which of course are also available in the US),  McDavid loses close to 6 million ... take home 6.7ish ... Bobrovsky at 10, is taking home 7.4ish ... It's even worse in Vancouver.   And you can bet EPs salary, same with Nylander, Tavares, Mathews et al is reflected this way.   Stamkos turned down monster deals from SJ and TO.   And took home the same amount of dough in TB.   There was a good article by THN at the time on this.   That extra year, and the taxes ... well.   12 plus is less the same as 9.5-10 in SEA, Dallas, Vegas,  Florida, TB... and places like COL, CHI, PIT etc pay a lot less too. 

Add 30% to all players living up here. Players, after conversion to Canadian funds, take home more in Canada. Fact. 

[IBatch]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Add 30% to all players living up here. Players, after conversion to Canadian funds, take home more in Canada. Fact. 

You bet.   Also add 30% to any player who wants to buy property in Canada, including the majority of Canadian born players who work and live in US cities.   That's a fact too.   More Canadians play in the US than they do in Canada. 

 

Another fact is luxury cars/boats toys, are a lot cheaper in the US even with the conversion rates.    Your money goes further in many cities as well.   Not all though.  CALi and NY city super expensive.     Also you don't have to worry about getting shot either...well unless you live in Surrey. 

 

Another interesting tidbit, US players in Canada also have to file in the US.    Canadians that own property in the US also have to file.   Not sure if the reverse is true  (Canadians living and working in the US, needing to file with CRA, but expect it's likely). 

 

Another fact, Vancouver is one of the best cities in the world.    And we also have a great connection to Sweden.   It's a real competitive advantage.    I don't think there is another team in the league, over the years, that has the same monopoly over good Swedish players the same way we do.    Similar terrain, taxes weather maybe attracts, but so does/did Gradin.  Ohlund.  Nalsund.  Hank, Daniel,   Edler.  EP.   We are fortunate that way for sure.   Going to bet EP's number is in the rafters ... and ends up in the HHOF.

 

Personally don't think it makes much of a difference for RFA deals  (taxes), it for sure becomes part of the challenge signing UFAs though.     

Edited April 10 by IBatch

[Boudrias]

10 minutes ago, IBatch said:

You bet.   Also add 30% to any player who wants to buy property in Canada, including the majority of Canadian born players who work and live in US cities.   That's a fact too.   More Canadians play in the US than they do in Canada. 

 

Another fact is luxury cars/boats toys, are a lot cheaper in the US even with the conversion rates.    Your money goes further in many cities as well.   Not all though.  CALi and NY city super expensive.     Also you don't have to worry about getting shot either...well unless you live in Surrey. 

 

Another interesting tidbit, US players in Canada also have to file in the US.    Canadians that own property in the US also have to file.   Not sure if the reverse is true  (Canadians living and working in the US, needing to file with CRA, but expect it's likely). 

 

Another fact, Vancouver is one of the best cities in the world. 

There are so many Americans playing for the Canucks that their impression of living in Canada and Vancouver, particularly, is worth considering. By all appearances both JT and his family enjoy life in Vancouver. They talk about it. Demko as well but not so vocal. Garland couldn't stop smiling in the post game. When your life centers around hockey your experiences influence perceptions. Usually Canadians are negative towards the USA and quite frankly act superior when it is hardly warranted. Our American players on the Canucks probably hear comments that don't sit well but at the rink fans are very positive. They seem to enjoy life away from the rink as well. Garland talks about a coffee shop he enjoys and his interaction with the patrons.  

[Hairy Kneel]

27 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Exactly. The guys lack confidence when deSmith is in nets right now. 

Yeah I'd say zero goals is a hint.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Yeah I'd say zero goals is a hint.

Yup. They guys lack confidence to play on the offensive side of the puck knowing deSmith is in the nets. 

[Chon derry]

2 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Actually I really like both our back ups. We're pretty lucky to have this help so that Demko can heal up. But that one atat really stood out for me 14 games of 2 goals or less. And 6 ot losses. We're a solid team when we play our game. But yes we have been a bit off this last 2 weeks. But last night was great to see. The one difference I like with Silov is his size 6'4" 203 lb which helps especially when teams are crashing the crease more. 

Both desmith and silov aren’t established starters , both for different reasons. We’re lucky to have both in each of their seperate circumstances. Desmith is and always has  been a backup and that’s all he’ll ever be. Silovs just getting started. The games that he’s going to get in the future will go up as will his expectation. Luckily it’ll take a while for him to establish himself and with any luck at all he becomes good enough to take over at the same time demko still has some tradable wealth left. Because we all know how The last time this team had 2 starters. We lost both of them. And are still paying for 1 of them.  

Edited April 10 by Chon derry

[Chon derry]

20 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

There are so many Americans playing for the Canucks that their impression of living in Canada and Vancouver, particularly, is worth considering. By all appearances both JT and his family enjoy life in Vancouver. They talk about it. Demko as well but not so vocal. Garland couldn't stop smiling in the post game. When your life centers around hockey your experiences influence perceptions. Usually Canadians are negative towards the USA and quite frankly act superior when it is hardly warranted. Our American players on the Canucks probably hear comments that don't sit well but at the rink fans are very positive. They seem to enjoy life away from the rink as well. Garland talks about a coffee shop he enjoys and his interaction with the patrons.  

Far cry from the Craig Janney incident. For me that one and the tkackuk garden gnome thing in Calgary is proof the opposite can happen.  Like you said these guys do seem content here.  That said I’d like to see more Canadian boys or prairie boys like the 6’6” kid they have coming up. 

[arsenalian]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Edited April 10 by arsenalian

[Googlie]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

There is a simplified dumbed down version available to anyone who wants to compare cities.   You will find it 2.5 or so to get to close to the max rates in most cities, including Vancouver...  However the league min, is still way up there.   Google gavingroup calculator and have some fun comparing salaries.   For example,  EDM (during the peak Sedin era our provincial tax was exactly the same as Alberta's, since then it's bumped up 5-6%!) McDavid take home pay.   Who makes more?  McDavid or Bobrovsky?   You will also find that the only US states that come close to the Canadian teams are California and NY.    So yes those games have extra jock tax.   

 

It's not overly complicated.   Seriously it's just a couple hours worth of accounting once the system is in place.   Data entry and submissions.  

 

Without using legacy tax shelters (which of course are also available in the US),  McDavid loses close to 6 million ... take home 6.7ish ... Bobrovsky at 10, is taking home 7.4ish ... It's even worse in Vancouver.   And you can bet EPs salary, same with Nylander, Tavares, Mathews et al is reflected this way.   Stamkos turned down monster deals from SJ and TO.   And took home the same amount of dough in TB.   There was a good article by THN at the time on this.   That extra year, and the taxes ... well.   12 plus is less the same as 9.5-10 in SEA, Dallas, Vegas,  Florida, TB... and places like COL, CHI, PIT etc pay a lot less too. 

 

Edit:  Some people have come out and said it's not as bad as it looks.   It looks pretty bad though.     You can bet players consider this when negotiating their deals, especially UFA's.     TO's got a rap under Dubas for pushing the cap up.    Look what Huberdough just got too.   Kadri.   Horvat in NYI as well.   There is a reason why we see US teams winning cups.   In a cap world every cent counts.   It's  not at all surprising, that mature teams do better in the US.   Vegas, TB, CAR, Dallas, COL, FLD.    The great White North best hope, Canucks (two core UFAs signed so far) and WNP (who somehow is hanging on, thanks to Hellebuyck).

 

 

 

Whole point of the last 1/2 dozen posts on this, though, is that you are comparing tax percentages on the cap hit, not the salary actually being received by the player

[Bob Long]

7 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Was hilarious seeing LA do the 1-3-1 in a 1-1 tie against Anaheim. Literally sitting back defending the tie against a lottery team. Started to wonder if Willie was still coaching them. 

 

yeah but "all teams do it" so we're told. Sure, but not like these guys.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Feel like we've been unlucky to have the record we do against them, they play hard but when healthy I think we can take them in a best of 7.

 

if Lindy is back and healthy, I think his defensive worth will really help us. He'll make it harder for LA on entries, and losing draws. I think we worked around their 1-3-1 crap last time pretty well just didn't have enough good chances against outside of that. 

[Gawdzukes]

7 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Was hilarious seeing LA do the 1-3-1 in a 1-1 tie against Anaheim. Literally sitting back defending the tie against a lottery team. Started to wonder if Willie was still coaching them. 

 

Feel like we've been unlucky to have the record we do against them, they play hard but when healthy I think we can take them in a best of 7.

 

Playoff hockey. They're no joke.

 

We've been unlucky but so has every team that's lost to them.

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Googlie said:

 

Whole point of the last 1/2 dozen posts on this, though, is that you are comparing tax percentages on the cap hit, not the salary actually being received by the player

 

Where ever they are I just hope they can afford avocados ... cause they're great!

 

 

on cinnamon toasted flakes ...

Edited April 10 by Gawdzukes

[Googlie]

Haven't tried that ... and I'm in the area of cheap avocados (5 - smallish - for $1:00)

[Hairy Kneel]

Refs miss another boarding. While flimsy embellishments go tumbling and head twerking through the game.