Mark Stone cleared for practice

[4petesake]

51 minutes ago, 43isprime said:

 

Not sure about the other 6 teams he's talking about, but with respect to the Canucks and the Tucker Poolman situation, this was a massively unintelligent tweet.

 

 

I kind of doubt we get word of a Tucker Poolman  at practice sighting so yeah another swing and a miss from Drance.

[HKSR]

8 hours ago, HKSR said:

Would be hilarious, but HIGHLY unlikely.

 

VGK is up 3 points with a game in hand. 

 

VGK schedule:

MIN

COL

CHI

ANA

 

STL schedule:

CAR

SEA

DAL

 

STL would need to win ALL of their games and VGK would need to lose 3 of theirs.

 

Only somewhat realistic outcome would be VGK loses to MIN, COL, and ANA.

STL wins all 3 because DAL would have already secured top spot and would be playing at 50% to prevent injuries and conserve energy.

 

One loss by STL and it's pretty much over.

And STL lost.  Pretty much impossible for it to happen now.

[Huggy86]

[Integra250]

What’s he going to be out for next year? Lacerated ass crack?

[Bob Long]

55 minutes ago, Integra250 said:

What’s he going to be out for next year? Lacerated ass crack?

 

Migraines 

[D-Money]

I’m sick of seeing people complain about the Luongo recapture penalty. There were other contracts that also could have been affected by that rule. But those teams had GMs that were smart enough to ensure the player could ride it out on IR.
 

Luongo has gone on record saying that him and Florida were willing to make a deal to trade him back to Vancouver so he could go on IR here, but BENNING DIDN’T CALL BACK.

The Canucks are not the only team to get the full cap recapture penalty because they were targeted by the league. It was because we had the only GM dumb enough not to work around it. 

[iinatcc]

12 hours ago, Bounce000 said:

God is great!

 

 

[iinatcc]

12 hours ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

Who would have thought 

 

 

 

Edited April 13 by iinatcc

[PureQuickness]

1 hour ago, D-Money said:

I’m sick of seeing people complain about the Luongo recapture penalty. There were other contracts that also could have been affected by that rule. But those teams had GMs that were smart enough to ensure the player could ride it out on IR.
 

Luongo has gone on record saying that him and Florida were willing to make a deal to trade him back to Vancouver so he could go on IR here, but BENNING DIDN’T CALL BACK.

The Canucks are not the only team to get the full cap recapture penalty because they were targeted by the league. It was because we had the only GM dumb enough not to work around it. 

 

You mean like Gillis right? He oversaw the signing of this. If you're gonna blame Benning for THIS - and there's plenty of blame for Benning - you might as well blame Gillis too because this signing was OBVIOUSLY designed to circumvent the cap.

Edited April 13 by PureQuickness

[Kragar]

16 hours ago, 43isprime said:

 

Not sure about the other 6 teams he's talking about, but with respect to the Canucks and the Tucker Poolman situation, this was a massively unintelligent tweet.

Well, ya gotta consider the source.

 

His point is only valid when a given team brought in significant resources to use up the freed cap, and then have those injured players return for the playoffs and the team ices a roster above the cap. Unsurprisingly, I suspect he is way off the mark in most cases.

[D-Money]

14 hours ago, PureQuickness said:

 

You mean like Gillis right? He oversaw the signing of this. If you're gonna blame Benning for THIS - and there's plenty of blame for Benning - you might as well blame Gillis too because this signing was OBVIOUSLY designed to circumvent the cap.

Uhhh no. Once again, there were lots of these contracts. Benning just had to be proactive and get things in order to avoid the recapture. But unlike every other GM with a contract like this, he didn’t…must have ran out of time.

[headhog]

What a miracle.  Totally unexpected.  He must have such a strong spleen is it?  What was it last year?  Hangnail?  Wow, both year he goes on ltir with his 9 million dollar salary.......just before the trade deadline.  Magically, the Vegas Knights have a ton of cap room to sign every top player available just before the playoffs.  Did they win last year?  Can't quite remember how they beat all those teams on the way through the playoffs.  Is Stone the Captain of the team also?  Wow, they wouldn't pull that shady shit again....would they?  Holy shit, magically, he's back skating for the playoffs.  How much you wanna bet if they start to struggle in the first round, he somehow gets healthy and returns to play?  It's a fucking bullshit move.  Should be an asterisk on the cup for using this obvious end around.  Meanwhile, players/teams that give their left nut to try and win one are just swept aside.  Unfortunately, the rules will need to be modified due to teams with no integrity.  Is stealing the cup the same as teams of the last 100 years that laid their very essence on the line to get their names next to the greats?  I think not.   What a miracle.  Totally unexpected.  He must have such a strong spleen is it?  What was it last year?  Hangnail?  Wow, both year he goes on ltir with his 9 million dollar salary.......just before the trade deadline.  Magically, the Vegas Knights have a ton of cap room to sign every top player available just before the playoffs.  Did they win last year?  Can't quite remember how they beat all those teams on the way through the playoffs.  Is Stone the Captain of the team also?  Wow, they wouldn't pull that shady shit again....would they?  Holy shit, magically, he's back skating for the playoffs.  How much you wanna bet if they start to struggle in the first round, he somehow gets healthy and returns to play?  It's a fucking bullshit move.  Should be an asterisk on the cup for using this obvious end around.  Meanwhile, players/teams that give their left nut to try and win one are just swept aside.  Unfortunately, the rules will need to be modified due to teams with no integrity.  Is stealing the cup the same as teams of the last 100 years that laid their very essence on the line to get their names next to the greats?  I think not.   

[Bob Long]

31 minutes ago, headhog said:

What a miracle.  Totally unexpected.  He must have such a strong spleen is it?  What was it last year?  Hangnail?  Wow, both year he goes on ltir with his 9 million dollar salary.......just before the trade deadline.  Magically, the Vegas Knights have a ton of cap room to sign every top player available just before the playoffs.  Did they win last year?  Can't quite remember how they beat all those teams on the way through the playoffs.  Is Stone the Captain of the team also?  Wow, they wouldn't pull that shady shit again....would they?  Holy shit, magically, he's back skating for the playoffs.  How much you wanna bet if they start to struggle in the first round, he somehow gets healthy and returns to play?  It's a fucking bullshit move.  Should be an asterisk on the cup for using this obvious end around.  Meanwhile, players/teams that give their left nut to try and win one are just swept aside.  Unfortunately, the rules will need to be modified due to teams with no integrity.  Is stealing the cup the same as teams of the last 100 years that laid their very essence on the line to get their names next to the greats?  I think not.   What a miracle.  Totally unexpected.  He must have such a strong spleen is it?  What was it last year?  Hangnail?  Wow, both year he goes on ltir with his 9 million dollar salary.......just before the trade deadline.  Magically, the Vegas Knights have a ton of cap room to sign every top player available just before the playoffs.  Did they win last year?  Can't quite remember how they beat all those teams on the way through the playoffs.  Is Stone the Captain of the team also?  Wow, they wouldn't pull that shady shit again....would they?  Holy shit, magically, he's back skating for the playoffs.  How much you wanna bet if they start to struggle in the first round, he somehow gets healthy and returns to play?  It's a fucking bullshit move.  Should be an asterisk on the cup for using this obvious end around.  Meanwhile, players/teams that give their left nut to try and win one are just swept aside.  Unfortunately, the rules will need to be modified due to teams with no integrity.  Is stealing the cup the same as teams of the last 100 years that laid their very essence on the line to get their names next to the greats?  I think not.   

 

Don't you lift with your spleen, Bro?

[IBatch]

On 4/12/2024 at 1:41 PM, HKSR said:

The latter part...

 

I don't doubt he had the injury.  I doubt the severity of it.  I feel they knew full well that there was a high probability of Stone coming back in time, and just drew things out long enough to circumvent the cap for the 3rd year in a row.

The problem with this sort of thing is athletes play injured all the time.  Especially in the post season.   Getting "cleared" to play, does come down to the players willingness to "play through" things.   By a time these guys retire they are often not close to "100%" and haven't been for years.   These are elite athletes, of course they will do this. 

 

The other thing is good luck trying to find two doctors (experts) to agree on the exact moment in time someone will be ready to come back.   Re-aggravating old or partially healed injuries happens all the time.   Especially with goalies, but to skaters too.  

 

Happens  in the real world too.  Cowboying up is a thing still for some people anyways.   LTIR was used by Tampa.   And Vegas, two teams who already have a massive cap advantage signing players and every player leaves them off their No trade list.   Because it's like getting a huge raise the moment the inks dried, and according to Brian Burke (taxes the reason), if there are 7 teams on a MNTC, they are all Canadian.    

 

As a player have no issue with Stone.   He's a great teammate and one of the best players in the world.     

Edited April 14 by IBatch

[IBatch]

On 4/12/2024 at 1:39 PM, Coconuts said:

 

Shenanigans 

 

I'm skeptical of the LTIR bit too idk how you fake a spleen injury short of upselling it's severity 

I'm sure the spleen is damaged.   And sure there was some dishonesty around it as well.    If Vegas wins a cup, believe it will become a GM issue...was tabled this year, and they decided it wasn't a problem.    Other teams also do it with lesser players.   

 

To me deal with the tax inequity.  Finally a big name (Brian Burke), isn't just mentioning it's an issue with the players  (not wanting to play in Canada),  but actually looking at it as the "why" that should on average be in Canada every four years or so, hasn't been here in over 30 now.   US Dollars after salary disclosure quickly became a big deal for the players (way more buying power),  we lost Bure, almost the team, two cities did lose their teams.     

 

83.5 in Vancouver is like having 96-97 in six cities to work with.    And the majority of US cities it's like having 8-12 extra.   Adding two guys like Vegas did.   Yikes.   Their full payroll in Vancouver would be 110 or so.   Like that teams can load up.   It's a better product than complete vanilla, but it should be a little fairer competitively.    Make all deals based on NET PAY.    That's what Burke thinks they should do,  first time i've heard that come from anyone else's mouth but my own that matters, and was nice to hear.    Then players won't put Vancouver on their "no fly zone" and we will have a better chance at winning a cup.    Our deals will be significantly less (same with TO's and MTL's, OTT and WNPs and even Alberta teams will go down 5-6%).     On a mid sized deal like JT Millers TB signed one, he lost 750k per year after getting traded to taxes.   That's a lot of money based on 5.35.     Doubt when his clauses kicked in, he would have come. 

 

Allvin and six other GMs and their staff, have to work a lot harder and more creatively  to keep up. 

Edited April 14 by IBatch

[IBatch]

11 hours ago, D-Money said:

Uhhh no. Once again, there were lots of these contracts. Benning just had to be proactive and get things in order to avoid the recapture. But unlike every other GM with a contract like this, he didn’t…must have ran out of time.

JB didnt have a crystal ball around coivd.  Cap does go up.   The recapture was one achilles heel for sure (and like MG has said, no freaking way would we get Luongo at anything close to that cap hit, if they didn't front load the crap out of it and make it longer then he'd likely play,  we had our shot then and it was the most egregious cap circumventing done at the time), covid compounded things badly, same with his obsession with OEL, although nobody is complaining about Garland anymore (thankfully!). 

Edited April 14 by IBatch

[Alflives]

Stone and Pietrangelo will be back for their club’s round one matchup with Dallas. Dallas out in round one. LA will knock out the Soilers. The Jets will crushpop the Avs. We will dominate the Preds. 

[Drakrami]

Oh nice. Hes ready just before playoffs. What a coincidence that spleen healed. (Or was it just a bruised spleen?)

 

No one coulda guessed this, I am shocked. 

[PureQuickness]

On 4/13/2024 at 2:15 PM, D-Money said:

Uhhh no. Once again, there were lots of these contracts. Benning just had to be proactive and get things in order to avoid the recapture. But unlike every other GM with

a contract like this, he didn’t…must have ran out of time.

 

No, there weren't. Canucks have an owner - whether it's good or bad - that has deep pockets. Not THAT many teams have an owner quite like ours. Some are content with spending the minimum. Let's face it - the contracts wouldn't have been an issue AT ALL except the league RETROACTIVELY punished teams that did this. In fact, though some teams were punished for possession of such a contract, others were allowed to dissolve it (i.e. Kovalchuk and NJ).

 

Here's a brief discussion from a Minnesota fan: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/522544.

 

As you can see, the league changed its own rules on the fly. And as that fan pointed out, ours is the most famous example. Another way of describing the situation: Vancouver was made an example, much like Arizona was made an example. Chicago, on the other hand, for its SA investigation, was ONLY given a 2 million dollar fine from the owner itself and had absolutely no bearing on the cap (it's a different punishment, admittedly). My point that I'm going with is that the league is creating penalties for different situations and not following through with ones that should've been penalized (NJ for example)

 

 

And then we'll get to the Las Vegas situation now. We all know that the Stone LTIR thing was bullshit. And there's been questions about the Marian Hossa LTIR. Neither of the two situations mentioned here have any 'proof' that the teams are cap circumventing, but we do have some suspicion. Something that is legal NOW could technically be punished retroactively (as seen in the Luongo example). Or the punishments could be reversed.

The way that the league is punishing teams is not the fault of our past beleagured GM. That's really some misplaced blame. I'm convinced that even if we did buyout the contract, the league would've scripted some kind of punishment RETROACTIVELY for putting out a contract like Luongo's in the first place - even though the contract itself was approved by the league back then.

 

 

[PureQuickness]

15 hours ago, IBatch said:

JB didnt have a crystal ball around coivd.  Cap does go up.   The recapture was one achilles heel for sure (and like MG has said, no freaking way would we get Luongo at anything close to that cap hit, if they didn't front load the crap out of it and make it longer then he'd likely play,  we had our shot then and it was the most egregious cap circumventing done at the time), covid compounded things badly, same with his obsession with OEL, although nobody is complaining about Garland anymore (thankfully!). 

 

Exactly. Putting the blame for a GM who doesn't have a crystal ball is a terrible analysis. You can blame a GM for not utilizing information that he did have, but you can't blame a GM for the league CHANGING ITS OWN RULES to punish a team retroactively.

[KesLord]

Do you think they'll put a rule in place to prevent these issues and soon after punish Vegas and Tampa for what they did? 

Or do just the Canucks get penalized for things like that? 

[HKSR]

10 hours ago, KesLord said:

Do you think they'll put a rule in place to prevent these issues and soon after punish Vegas and Tampa for what they did? 

Or do just the Canucks get penalized for things like that? 

Doubt they'll penalize teams like VGK and Tampa, but I could see an adjustment to LTIR to impact the playoff rosters to a certain extent... but ONLY if VGK wins the Cup again this year... or MAYBE if they make the finals.  It just puts such a big spotlight on the issue that if they do nothing when a team that used this 'loophole' 3 years in a row gains from it, it'll be a PR nightmare as this has already been raised at this year's GM meetings.

[old guy]

Screw Stone, how does he skate on the same ice as guys that work their whole pro. life to get a chance for a cup, only to have some POS pull the same lie 3 years in a row to take that chance away and shit on any chance they have. I don't know how he can hold his head up.to face the others. He's as culpable as anyone else involved. Give him a fine and banish him.

[Barnstorm]

The spleen is illustrated here in the upper right corner and confirmed to be “ non-vital”. 
 

Stone is 100% faking it. 
 

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, Barnstorm said:

The spleen is illustrated here in the upper right corner and confirmed to be “ non-vital”. 
 

Stone is 100% faking it. 
 

 

Next year it will be a bruised pancreas.