2024 Lineup [Proposal]

[Hammertime]

I think it's pretty plain to see during this playoff run. With the way our line up is currently constructed Pete is kind of in no man's land with wingers like Mikheyev, Lafferty. I think realistically Hronek and Boeser are pieces with the market value and cap hits to make the needed cap room and return the pieces we need to make this team a sustained contender. Especially if we go deep and they show well. 

 

Proposal:

 

Out: Brock Boeser

In: Mid 1st (Jiricek/Iginla/Nygard/Yak/Helenius/Hemming/)+ Prospect, cap space

 

Out:  Hronek, 1st, Lekkerimaki. Maybe 3 way deal?

In: Brady Tkachuck 

 

Signed: Chris Tanev 

 

 

 

Theres a little wiggle room on cap. If Blueger happens to be a cap casualty that's unfortunate but I feel like MGMT have shown the ability to plug holes when needed.  

 

Go Canucks Go. 

 

 

Edited April 28 by Hammertime

[Miss Korea]

Damn.  That Tkachuk trade.  We get the younger and better player.

[Gurn]

3 firsts for Brady seems a bit steep, although it would certainly change the team.

[Alflives]

Get the winger for Petey. 

[BPA]

Still want to trade Brock after he got a hat-trick to force OT and Lindholm getting the OT winner?

[HarbularyBattery]

On 4/28/2024 at 1:22 PM, Hammertime said:

I think it's pretty plain to see during this playoff run. With the way our line up is currently constructed Pete is kind of in no man's land with wingers like Mikheyev, Lafferty. I think realistically Hronek and Boeser are pieces with the market value and cap hits to make the needed cap room and return the pieces we need to make this team a sustained contender. Especially if we go deep and they show well. 

 

Proposal:

 

Out: Brock Boeser

In: Mid 1st (Jiricek/Iginla/Nygard/Yak/Helenius/Hemming/)+ Prospect, cap space

 

Out:  Hronek, 1st, Lekkerimaki. Maybe 3 way deal?

In: Brady Tkachuck 

 

Signed: Chris Tanev 

 

 

 

Theres a little wiggle room on cap. If Blueger happens to be a cap casualty that's unfortunate but I feel like MGMT have shown the ability to plug holes when needed.  

 

Go Canucks Go. 

 

 

i think with this situation we still remain a 2 line team. only this time itll be lindholm without good linemates instead of EP.

 

personally i think we should give hronek his QO, its like 5.2m or something and see if he can hold his own on his own pair. 

 

also think silovs takes the backup job, no need to re-sign desmith. 

 

would keep lekerimakki, hes got a shot at coming in and being a top-6 forward next year or the year after, on an ELC. that would be insanely valuable for us. 

 

realistically we COULD buyout mikheyev. his cap hit isnt too bad. we may even be able to squeeze in toffoli if he took 4m a year. 

 

we let blueger go to free up some cash too. 

 

 

 

 

[qwijjibo]

32 minutes ago, HarbularyBattery said:

i think with this situation we still remain a 2 line team. only this time itll be lindholm without good linemates instead of EP.

 

personally i think we should give hronek his QO, its like 5.2m or something and see if he can hold his own on his own pair. 

 

also think silovs takes the backup job, no need to re-sign desmith. 

 

would keep lekerimakki, hes got a shot at coming in and being a top-6 forward next year or the year after, on an ELC. that would be insanely valuable for us. 

 

realistically we COULD buyout mikheyev. his cap hit isnt too bad. we may even be able to squeeze in toffoli if he took 4m a year. 

 

we let blueger go to free up some cash too. 

 

 

 

 

Hronek can refuse to sign his QO and opt for arbitration.  It's unlikely he ends up getting less than $7-$7.5m in that case. 

[Elias Pettersson]

If we are short on wingers then why are we trading Boeser and one of our best prospects in Lekkerimaki?  Makes no sense.  Lekkerimaki could be the winger Petey needs to take the next step.  And he will be cheap for awhile...

[Hammertime]

57 minutes ago, HarbularyBattery said:

i think with this situation we still remain a 2 line team. only this time itll be lindholm without good linemates instead of EP.

 

personally i think we should give hronek his QO, its like 5.2m or something and see if he can hold his own on his own pair. 

 

also think silovs takes the backup job, no need to re-sign desmith. 

 

would keep lekerimakki, hes got a shot at coming in and being a top-6 forward next year or the year after, on an ELC. that would be insanely valuable for us. 

 

realistically we COULD buyout mikheyev. his cap hit isnt too bad. we may even be able to squeeze in toffoli if he took 4m a year. 

 

we let blueger go to free up some cash too. 

 

 

 

 

Hronek isn't signing a QO.

 

I could see us targeting someone like Konechney, Thachuck, Tuch, Crouse, Vatrano to ride shotty with Pete. Someone with a motor that gets their nose dirty and creates chaos around the crease. Thats what Pete needs. Mikheyev is practically in a coma I'd rather see Arshdeep than any more of Mikheyev.  

[BigTramFan]

Don't want us to sign a 3C for $7m. If we resign Lindholm, he should be playing in the top 6.

[JIAHN]

I am still of the mind that Pettersson is the guy who goes....

 

A 11.6 million dollar player needs to produce at a high level

 

needs to be a threat every time on the ice........

 

A Tkachuk for Pettersson trade does so much for us

[BigTramFan]

15 hours ago, JIAHN said:

I am still of the mind that Pettersson is the guy who goes....

 

A 11.6 million dollar player needs to produce at a high level

 

needs to be a threat every time on the ice........

 

A Tkachuk for Pettersson trade does so much for us

It won't happen. But yeah you gotta feel like Brady Tkachuk would be an upgrade on Petey's performance in these playoffs.

 

Add in a trade of Hronek + Mikheyev for a pick or a big young forward (e.g. Voronkov). Sign some UFAs to fill the gaps and you got something like this next season:

 

 

 

[RWJC]

Brady Thakchuk will be going to NJD for Mercer, Nemec, 1st +, imho.

He just bought a house there, his wife is from there, and apparently it’s known that’s where he wants to go if he’s going to be traded. 
 

That said, he has no control over a deal because his NMC doesn’t kick in until 25-26.

[Hammertime]

On 4/28/2024 at 9:13 PM, BPA said:

Still want to trade Brock after he got a hat-trick to force OT and Lindholm getting the OT winner?

 

I think missing out on a mid round 1st this year would be a mistake given Petey and Hughes will be in their prime for another 6+years.

 

Brock has a lot of cap attached to him and could command that return. His cap would cover both Joshua and Lindholm raises with cash leftover. The main thing is we are going to have big problems if we don't get the right players to play with Pete. IMO we haven't seen the best of Hoglander yet he can score. We need someone to get them the puck. If youre gung ho on keeping Brock and pushing your chips in to win now. I could see us trying to build a deal around Hronek for one of Tuch, Crouse. @Sabrefan1 Hronek with Dahlen/Power how would you feel about that if Tuch was coming back?

 

In this example I went with Crouse Arizona has no D Hronek at least gives Utah a starting point. Young top pair RHD with a big shot. They have Simashev and likely Silayev too. 

 

To Utah Puddytats Hronek +/-

To Van Crouse +/-

 

I assume there will be a cost to dump Mikheyev. 

 

 

 

I feel like if the big ticket is attainable (Brady) you go for it. He's likely tight with Huggy and other's by association. 

 

Whether it's Hoglander or Lekkerimaki who ends up riding with Pete scoring the 3rd guy on that trio is going to be the guy in the corners. If we can't get Brady so be it we go down the list. But JR/Alvin should be heavily invested rn in finding the appropriate partner for Pete going fwd. 

 

I think very highly of Podz and Bains but they are about 1-2 years away from being impact players.  

[Sabrefan1]

2 hours ago, Hammertime said:

 

I think missing out on a mid round 1st this year would be a mistake given Petey and Hughes will be in their prime for another 6+years.

 

Brock has a lot of cap attached to him and could command that return. His cap would cover both Joshua and Lindholm raises with cash leftover. The main thing is we are going to have big problems if we don't get the right players to play with Pete. IMO we haven't seen the best of Hoglander yet he can score. We need someone to get them the puck. If youre gung ho on keeping Brock and pushing your chips in to win now. I could see us trying to build a deal around Hronek for one of Tuch, Crouse. @Sabrefan1 Hronek with Dahlen/Power how would you feel about that if Tuch was coming back?

 

In this example I went with Crouse Arizona has no D Hronek at least gives Utah a starting point. Young top pair RHD with a big shot. They have Simashev and likely Silayev too. 

 

To Utah Puddytats Hronek +/-

To Van Crouse +/-

 

I assume there will be a cost to dump Mikheyev. 

 

 

 

I feel like if the big ticket is attainable (Brady) you go for it. He's likely tight with Huggy and other's by association. 

 

Whether it's Hoglander or Lekkerimaki who ends up riding with Pete scoring the 3rd guy on that trio is going to be the guy in the corners. If we can't get Brady so be it we go down the list. But JR/Alvin should be heavily invested rn in finding the appropriate partner for Pete going fwd. 

 

I think very highly of Podz and Bains but they are about 1-2 years away from being impact players.  

 

I'm visiting my parents for Mother's Day.  I'll get to your proposal when I get back home later today. 

 

Now that the old Sabres coach has been canned,  I actually think the Canucks should go for Jordan Greenway.  6' 6" 230 lbs., would hammer opponents in the playoffs and could probably be had for less than the Sabres paid for him.

[BPA]

5 hours ago, Hammertime said:

 

I think missing out on a mid round 1st this year would be a mistake given Petey and Hughes will be in their prime for another 6+years.

 

Brock has a lot of cap attached to him and could command that return. His cap would cover both Joshua and Lindholm raises with cash leftover. The main thing is we are going to have big problems if we don't get the right players to play with Pete. IMO we haven't seen the best of Hoglander yet he can score. We need someone to get them the puck. If youre gung ho on keeping Brock and pushing your chips in to win now. I could see us trying to build a deal around Hronek for one of Tuch, Crouse. @Sabrefan1 Hronek with Dahlen/Power how would you feel about that if Tuch was coming back?

 

In this example I went with Crouse Arizona has no D Hronek at least gives Utah a starting point. Young top pair RHD with a big shot. They have Simashev and likely Silayev too. 

 

To Utah Puddytats Hronek +/-

To Van Crouse +/-

 

I assume there will be a cost to dump Mikheyev. 

 

 

 

I feel like if the big ticket is attainable (Brady) you go for it. He's likely tight with Huggy and other's by association. 

 

Whether it's Hoglander or Lekkerimaki who ends up riding with Pete scoring the 3rd guy on that trio is going to be the guy in the corners. If we can't get Brady so be it we go down the list. But JR/Alvin should be heavily invested rn in finding the appropriate partner for Pete going fwd. 

 

I think very highly of Podz and Bains but they are about 1-2 years away from being impact players.  

Miller + Boeser combo is working.  So I’m hesitant to split that up.  I’d be Ok trading Hronek to get the forward for EP.  Not sure if Hronek is worth what he’ll be asking for.  

[Sabrefan1]

6 hours ago, Hammertime said:

 

I think missing out on a mid round 1st this year would be a mistake given Petey and Hughes will be in their prime for another 6+years.

 

Brock has a lot of cap attached to him and could command that return. His cap would cover both Joshua and Lindholm raises with cash leftover. The main thing is we are going to have big problems if we don't get the right players to play with Pete. IMO we haven't seen the best of Hoglander yet he can score. We need someone to get them the puck. If youre gung ho on keeping Brock and pushing your chips in to win now. I could see us trying to build a deal around Hronek for one of Tuch, Crouse. @Sabrefan1 Hronek with Dahlen/Power how would you feel about that if Tuch was coming back?

 

Hronek is going to command a QO of over 5 million after this season is done.  The AAV will be much more than that to sign him past his RA status.  That's the first problem since the Sabres already have a lot tied up long term in their defence.

 

Mattias Samuelsson, who was having a good season, will be fully healed from his injury by the start of next season so he'll help shore up the top 4 and he's still cheap on the books.  That leaves the bottom pairing which is easy enough to fill with young players. 

 

The Sabres need one or two more solid two way forwards who have a scoring touch so trading away Tuch, who will likely give the Sabres a hometown discount come contract time, would be counter-productive. 

 

The biggest problem that the Sabres have is inconsistent goaltending and consistent 2-way forward play.  Their defence is probably the only thing that's looking good for next season.

[Hammertime]

22 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

Hronek is going to command a QO of over 5 million after this season is done.  The AAV will be much more than that to sign him past his RA status.  That's the first problem since the Sabres already have a lot tied up long term in their defence.

 

Mattias Samuelsson, who was having a good season, will be fully healed from his injury by the start of next season so he'll help shore up the top 4 and he's still cheap on the books.  That leaves the bottom pairing which is easy enough to fill with young players. 

 

The Sabres need one or two more solid two way forwards who have a scoring touch so trading away Tuch, who will likely give the Sabres a hometown discount come contract time, would be counter-productive. 

 

The biggest problem that the Sabres have is inconsistent goaltending and consistent 2-way forward play.  Their defence is probably the only thing that's looking good for next season.

 

4 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

I actually think the Canucks should go for Jordan Greenway.  6' 6" 230 lbs., would hammer opponents in the playoffs and could probably be had for less than the Sabres paid for him.

Would love to get Greenway. There isn't much of a package that makes sense from the canucks he would be purely money in with picks/prospects going out. I could only see this scenario if Dakota doesn't re up in Van. 

[Sabrefan1]

14 hours ago, Hammertime said:

Would love to get Greenway. There isn't much of a package that makes sense from the canucks he would be purely money in with picks/prospects going out. I could only see this scenario if Dakota doesn't re up in Van. 

 

The Sabres paid a 2 and a 5 for him because the now fired head coach wanted him.  I'd imagine the Sabres GM would be happy to get a 2 back for him if Lindy Ruff decides Greenway isn't in the future of the lineup.  My guess is that the Sabres keep him because he's a tough nosed hard worker, but it's Ruff's show now, not Granato.

 

Like you said though, where do you fit his 3M AAV cap hit. 

[higgyfan]

19 hours ago, BPA said:

Miller + Boeser combo is working.  So I’m hesitant to split that up.  I’d be Ok trading Hronek to get the forward for EP.  Not sure if Hronek is worth what he’ll be asking for.  

 

Trading Hronek and walking Myers, leaves Juulsen as the only natural RD on the team.  Securing a 1st and 2nd

RD will cost a lot.  It's hard to see how the team even maintains their defense with both those guys departing.

They will have to utilize much of the salary savings of Hronek/Myers to upgrade the D.

[R3aL]

On 4/28/2024 at 1:22 PM, Hammertime said:

I think it's pretty plain to see during this playoff run. With the way our line up is currently constructed Pete is kind of in no man's land with wingers like Mikheyev, Lafferty. I think realistically Hronek and Boeser are pieces with the market value and cap hits to make the needed cap room and return the pieces we need to make this team a sustained contender. Especially if we go deep and they show well. 

 

Proposal:

 

Out: Brock Boeser

In: Mid 1st (Jiricek/Iginla/Nygard/Yak/Helenius/Hemming/)+ Prospect, cap space

 

Out:  Hronek, 1st, Lekkerimaki. Maybe 3 way deal?

In: Brady Tkachuck 

 

Signed: Chris Tanev 

 

 

 

Theres a little wiggle room on cap. If Blueger happens to be a cap casualty that's unfortunate but I feel like MGMT have shown the ability to plug holes when needed.  

 

Go Canucks Go. 

 

 

 

To have fun with roster projecting and in the unrealistic world Petey was traded:

 

 

Hoglander and pods could rotate depending on who's playing better.

 

Trade Hronek and Petey to Ottawa for Tkachuk and Bostons late first round pick this year.

 

( I understand Petey isn't getting traded and the likelihood of signing a deal like that then being moved to Ottawa is highly unlikely)

 

The slim chance I could see it happen. Management tells Petey we did everything you wanted, believed in you and you no showed when it mattered most. We have to make a fundamental change and give you a fresh start.

 

Tkachuk could want out of Ottawa, what a fit for him here in Vancouver with Miller, Hughes and Boeser. Especially considering the Hughes connection.

 

Hronek is a piece I could see Ottawa wanting and then they could trade Chychrun easier and have much more balanced top 4 pairings.

 

Ottawa I could see them gambling on Petey deal, they have a nice Swedish history there too and love having a superstar / franchise player already on term. Petey could be humbled by the experience and have a monster rebound and career with them.

 

-

 

Management clearly loves Guentzel. Hes been unreal this playoffs having him and Tkachuk added to our top 6 would be unreal. either Could play with miller or lindholm for different looks.

 

The PP would have serious competition with these 5 fighting for the 4 forwards spots:

 

Miller

Tkachuk

Boeser

Guentzel

Lindholm

 

Hughes

 

When lekkeriamaki is ready I could see him slotting in beside Lindholm. And perhaps our second PP unit the year after would be:

 

PP1: Miller Tkachuk Boeser Guentzel - Hughes

PP2: Lindholm Lekkeriamki Garland Joshua - Willander

 

The problem for me is I do not see a future line of:

 

Hoglander-Petey-Lekkeriamki

 

hard to visualize them being a successful playoff line so I think changes need to be made.

 

Suter with Dak and Garland gives Raty another season to get NHL ready.

 

Tanev / Myers a perfect bridge for Willander.

 

Wilanders rookie year he could pair with Zadorov potentially too.

 

-

 

Just having fun with it but it would be a pretty cool roster. Lots of playoff kinda guys.

 

 

[Hammertime]

2 hours ago, R3aL said:

 

To have fun with roster projecting and in the unrealistic world Petey was traded:

 

 

Hoglander and pods could rotate depending on who's playing better.

 

Trade Hronek and Petey to Ottawa for Tkachuk and Bostons late first round pick this year.

 

( I understand Petey isn't getting traded and the likelihood of signing a deal like that then being moved to Ottawa is highly unlikely)

 

The slim chance I could see it happen. Management tells Petey we did everything you wanted, believed in you and you no showed when it mattered most. We have to make a fundamental change and give you a fresh start.

 

Tkachuk could want out of Ottawa, what a fit for him here in Vancouver with Miller, Hughes and Boeser. Especially considering the Hughes connection.

 

Hronek is a piece I could see Ottawa wanting and then they could trade Chychrun easier and have much more balanced top 4 pairings.

 

Ottawa I could see them gambling on Petey deal, they have a nice Swedish history there too and love having a superstar / franchise player already on term. Petey could be humbled by the experience and have a monster rebound and career with them.

 

-

 

Management clearly loves Guentzel. Hes been unreal this playoffs having him and Tkachuk added to our top 6 would be unreal. either Could play with miller or lindholm for different looks.

 

The PP would have serious competition with these 5 fighting for the 4 forwards spots:

 

Miller

Tkachuk

Boeser

Guentzel

Lindholm

 

Hughes

 

When lekkeriamaki is ready I could see him slotting in beside Lindholm. And perhaps our second PP unit the year after would be:

 

PP1: Miller Tkachuk Boeser Guentzel - Hughes

PP2: Lindholm Lekkeriamki Garland Joshua - Willander

 

The problem for me is I do not see a future line of:

 

Hoglander-Petey-Lekkeriamki

 

hard to visualize them being a successful playoff line so I think changes need to be made.

 

Suter with Dak and Garland gives Raty another season to get NHL ready.

 

Tanev / Myers a perfect bridge for Willander.

 

Wilanders rookie year he could pair with Zadorov potentially too.

 

-

 

Just having fun with it but it would be a pretty cool roster. Lots of playoff kinda guys.

 

 

I prefer to mentally live in the world that believes Pete hasn't reached his final form yet and this years playoffs will be a catalyst for personal growth in Pete. Realizing that starting the season on a 130 pt pace matters not if you don't show up in the post season. Pete is a hugely prideful guy, and he's probably harder on himself rightnow than most critical fans. 

 

I agree on Lekkerimaki I don't see where he fits among the core as constructed. Miller's not a fit at least right now for a rookie, Lindholm is going to be taking huge defensive draws so probably not a good fit. Maybe Lex plays with Pete but Mik/Hoglander can't be their winger. Would need to go after someone like Crouse Uta, Tuch Buf, Anderson Mtl,?  I really think Lekkerimaki should spend an entire season in the A unless he just crushes it. So far he's 2 points in 6 games so I don't see it. I'm not expecting him to come out of the gate hard next year as long as he adjusts and finishes strong I'll be thrilled. 

 

If Pete is traded Tkachuk should be the prime target. The Carolina deal was kinda a lot of stuff that added up but didn't make much sense. 

 

Edit Re Guentzel wow 9.5 is a big price tag. It could pay off big though if he's the right winger for Pete? I can't see Lekkerimaki being the 3rd on that line though so were still left with that dilemma. Or maybe I'm flat out wrong and they draw oodles of powerplays falling down everywhere. 

Edited May 16 by Hammertime

[R3aL]

3 hours ago, Hammertime said:

I prefer to mentally live in the world that believes Pete hasn't reached his final form yet and this years playoffs will be a catalyst for personal growth in Pete. Realizing that starting the season on a 130 pt pace matters not if you don't show up in the post season. Pete is a hugely prideful guy, and he's probably harder on himself rightnow than most critical fans. 

 

I agree on Lekkerimaki I don't see where he fits among the core as constructed. Miller's not a fit at least right now for a rookie, Lindholm is going to be taking huge defensive draws so probably not a good fit. Maybe Lex plays with Pete but Mik/Hoglander can't be their winger. Would need to go after someone like Crouse Uta, Tuch Buf, Anderson Mtl,?  I really think Lekkerimaki should spend an entire season in the A unless he just crushes it. So far he's 2 points in 6 games so I don't see it. I'm not expecting him to come out of the gate hard next year as long as he adjusts and finishes strong I'll be thrilled. 

 

If Pete is traded Tkachuk should be the prime target. The Carolina deal was kinda a lot of stuff that added up but didn't make much sense. 

 

Edit Re Guentzel wow 9.5 is a big price tag. It could pay off big though if he's the right winger for Pete? I can't see Lekkerimaki being the 3rd on that line though so were still left with that dilemma. Or maybe I'm flat out wrong and they draw oodles of powerplays falling down everywhere. 

I like that world I will join you there. I mean we have to hope for that. I just cant help but think he needs to really focus on his lower body strength the next two summers.

 

And keep working on his mental health to be able to rebound from adversity quick.

 

His interview today to me looked like a guy very upset with himself.

 

Like hypothetically Mikeyev should be a good fit for Petey and Lekkeriamki its just hard to imagine them being successful right now. especially with hoglander as the other wing like you said.

 

Tuch I dont think is possible

Anderson I prefer not

Crouse would be overpriced to get but would be a good fit I think

 

I think hes going to be a really big UFA signing he could even get 10+ if he just goes for most money. I dont see us being able to sign Guentzel though with Petey on the team.

 

It was just an idea if there is even a world of fiction where we can move Petey and Hronek and not take step back next year.

[Nucker67]

I have no idea who they will bring in to replace the few leaving, but I'm hoping we retain these players, for next year's run.

 

Hoglander - Miller - Boeser

Pettersson - Lindholm - Lekkerimaki

Joshua - Blueger - Garland

Podkolzin - X - X

Raty

 

Hughes - X

Zadorov - Myers

Soucy - X

Pettersson - Juulsen

 

Demko

Silovs

 

Gone - Suter, Mikheyev, Di Giuseppe, Aman, Lafferty, Hronek, Cole, Friedman, DeSmith

[Hammertime]

On 5/16/2024 at 5:23 PM, Nucker67 said:

I have no idea who they will bring in to replace the few leaving, but I'm hoping we retain these players, for next year's run.

 

Hoglander - Miller - Boeser

Pettersson - Lindholm - Lekkerimaki

Joshua - Blueger - Garland

Podkolzin - X - X

Raty

 

Hughes - X

Zadorov - Myers

Soucy - X

Pettersson - Juulsen

 

Demko

Silovs

 

Gone - Suter, Mikheyev, Di Giuseppe, Aman, Lafferty, Hronek, Cole, Friedman, DeSmith

It's fun to hype on Lekkerimaki and dude I'm so excited to see him as a canuck his exuberance is needed. I just don't see where he fits. This could be our reverse naslund trade but I think we move him for hopefully a better Stojanov.