Popular Post -dlc- Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 4 hours ago, stawns said: If you think Vancouver has been the better team in any game but #2, you're delusional. They've been completely dominated by the Preds. Watch the game, not the stat line The better team is the team that won. All the rest is just details. You find a way to win, you were better. Completely dominated is an absolute joke. Most here see it how it really is. And this word you throw around..."whataboutism". You do that a lot when people talk about a player having a rough game. You're quick to do a "what about Miller". Insecure and delusional are not really strengthening your case. You talk of wanting honest discussion but it starts with you. This team's capable of much more than you give them credit for. Experience isn't the golden ticket....momentum and confidence weigh in huge. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 (edited) Interesting article by Jeff Paterson. https://canucksarmy.com/news/jpats-playoff-notebook-zadorov-outshining-hronek-petterssons-struggles-canucks-wingers-mia-home-ice-no-advantage While I do find his interview questions leading and annoying, he does write a solid article. Quite something to see that Zadorov has been an overall more impactful defenseman than Hronek since the all star break. Edited May 2 by PhillipBlunt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, fanfor42 said: That is cuz for a lot of the time the game 5 winner wins the series that night. Dumb stat. Means nothing. 1 hour ago, Dumb Nuck said: Well, so far 3 series are over and in each the series was over after game 5 so 100% thus far. 17 minutes ago, stawns said: Game 5 is almost always the critical game of a series. That said, that stat obviously leans heavily towards teams who win in 6. Ya they just showed it again towards end of the game.. their stat was for series tied 2 - 2. So 79% of teams wining game 5 of a 2 - 2 tied series wins the series. That makes sense.. It didn't seem legit as an overall stat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket-68 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) Here are some interesting stats 1) When teams are tied 2-2, the team that wins game 5 goes on to win the series 79% of the time ... WOOHOO DALLAS ... from a commentator calling the Dallas Game 2) When a team is up 3-1, the team leading wins 90.6% of the time ... WOOHHOO GO CANUCKS GO!! 3) When a team is up 3-2, the team leading wins 78.9% of the time ... WOOHOOO GO CANUCKS GO!! 4) When a team was up 3-1 and heads into a game 6, they win 25.6% of the time against all the series ... WOOHOO GO CANUCKS GO!! MORAL - Canucks should close it out in Nashville on the balance of probabilities. I would hazard a guess that Nashville would prefer to be playing now and instead the extra day should help the Canucks refocus. I would bet donuts against @-dlc- 's Cowbell that the Predators will be finished off. GO CANUCKS GO! Well played by Nashville to date, not taking anything away from them. Some more neat NHL series stats: https://www.hockey-reference.com/playoffs/playoff-history.cgi Edited May 2 by Rocket-68 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, Rocket-68 said: Here are some interesting status 1) When teams are tied 2-2, the team that wins game 5 goes on to win the series 79% of the time ... WOOHOO DALLAS ... from a commentator calling the Dallas Game 2) When a team is up 3-1, the team leading wins 90.6% of the time ... WOOHHOO GO CANUCKS GO!! 3) When a team is up 3-2, the team leading wins 78.9% of the time ... WOOHOOO GO CANUCKS GO!! 4) When a team was up 3-1 and heads into a game 6, they win 25.6% of the time against all the series ... WOOHOO GO CANUCKS GO!! MORAL - Canucks should close it out in Nashville on the balance of probabilities. I would hazard a guess that Nashville would prefer to be playing now and instead the extra day should help the Canucks refocus. I would bet donuts against @-dlc- 's Cowbell that the Predators will be finished off. GO CANUCKS GO! Well played by Nashville to date, not taking anything away from them. Some more neat NHL series stats: https://www.hockey-reference.com/playoffs/playoff-history.cgi Summary of what you said: "WOOHHOO GO CANUCKS GO!!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Interesting article by Jeff Paterson. https://canucksarmy.com/news/jpats-playoff-notebook-zadorov-outshining-hronek-petterssons-struggles-canucks-wingers-mia-home-ice-no-advantage While I do find his interview questions leading and annoying, he does write a solid article. Quite something to see that Zadorov has been an overall more impactful defenseman than Hronek since the all star break. I might get flak for this but Hronek has become an overall defensive liability for quite some time. He doesn't contribute much anymore on either side of the ice. His slap shot isn't accurate, nor is it easy to tip. It's just really fast. That's not even close to being good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, Miss Korea said: I might get flak for this but Hronek has become an overall defensive liability for quite some time. He doesn't contribute much anymore on either side of the ice. His slap shot isn't accurate, nor is it easy to tip. It's just really fast. That's not even close to being good enough. I've been vocal about not giving hronek that kind of money and term, but I think he had a very strong game last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 12 minutes ago, Rocket-68 said: Here are some interesting status 1) When teams are tied 2-2, the team that wins game 5 goes on to win the series 79% of the time ... WOOHOO DALLAS ... from a commentator calling the Dallas Game 2) When a team is up 3-1, the team leading wins 90.6% of the time ... WOOHHOO GO CANUCKS GO!! 3) When a team is up 3-2, the team leading wins 78.9% of the time ... WOOHOOO GO CANUCKS GO!! 4) When a team was up 3-1 and heads into a game 6, they win 25.6% of the time against all the series ... WOOHOO GO CANUCKS GO!! MORAL - Canucks should close it out in Nashville on the balance of probabilities. I would hazard a guess that Nashville would prefer to be playing now and instead the extra day should help the Canucks refocus. I would bet donuts against @-dlc- 's Cowbell that the Predators will be finished off. GO CANUCKS GO! Well played by Nashville to date, not taking anything away from them. Some more neat NHL series stats: https://www.hockey-reference.com/playoffs/playoff-history.cgi Well let's see how mature this team is. Can give them a mulligan for being inexperienced in closing out a series (not in the bubble) and yesterday teaching them a lesson in managing emotions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 38 minutes ago, -dlc- said: The better team is the team that won. All the rest is just details. You find a way to win, you were better. Completely dominated is an absolute joke. Most here see it how it really is. And this word you throw around..."whataboutism". You do that a lot when people talk about a player having a rough game. You're quick to do a "what about Miller". Insecure and delusional are not really strengthening your case. You talk of wanting honest discussion but it starts with you. This team's capable of much more than you give them credit for. Experience isn't the golden ticket....momentum and confidence weigh in huge. If momentum is true, the Nashville has a lot of it heading to game 6. If the Preds score early in game 6, could be over before it's begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, stawns said: I've been vocal about not giving hronek that kind of money and term, but I think he had a very strong game last night He's had a bad series, in my opinion. I can't see how he's getting 8M. There's no way management offers him that. He either signs for what they're wanting him to sign for, or he will be dealt for assets coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, stawns said: I've been vocal about not giving hronek that kind of money and term, but I think he had a very strong game last night Yeah I am on moving Hronek for the money he wants and use it on Zadorov and sign Tanev or the like if possible to play with Hughes as the defensive specialist. Heck maybe Zadorov can hold the fort with Hughes until Willander is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, 24K said: Well let's see how mature this team is. Can give them a mulligan for being inexperienced in closing out a series (not in the bubble) and yesterday teaching them a lesson in managing emotions. Win or lose this series, it has been a very good learning experience for this group. Ideally, they get experience closing out a series and get another one, but even if they lose, they'll understand how hard it is to move on in the post season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, 24K said: Well let's see how mature this team is. Can give them a mulligan for being inexperienced in closing out a series (not in the bubble) and yesterday teaching them a lesson in managing emotions. Yeah, we'll see if this team has matured. I think they will win on Friday night. I'm almost certain they will have practice tomorrow on Thursday. But man, they better work on their pp. Because Nashville is not afraid of taking penalties knowing full well we can't seem to score on special teams. There's no fear there. Our PK has been excellent. Our PP? Might as well decline it if they could. It's that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, N4ZZY said: If momentum is true, the Nashville has a lot of it heading to game 6. If the Preds score early in game 6, could be over before it's begun. Momentum is only true if the Canucks are licking their wounds over losing game 5. I doubt they do cause they would have done it a long time ago with losing Demko and DeSmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, 24K said: Yeah I am on moving Hronek for the money he wants and use it on Zadorov and sign Tanev or the like if possible to play with Hughes as the defensive specialist. Heck maybe Zadorov can hold the fort with Hughes until Willander is ready. I think Zadorov has to be signed. Hronek has, in my opinion, at the very least, a 'meh' series, if not just bad. He isn't worth 8M. That money could definitely go towards the other UFA's that management wants to resign. Hronek I think could probably get a RHD prospect coming back maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 minute ago, N4ZZY said: He's had a bad series, in my opinion. I can't see how he's getting 8M. There's no way management offers him that. He either signs for what they're wanting him to sign for, or he will be dealt for assets coming back. I don't either, but he was good last night, for sure. To me, he's a $6m dman, at best, and I'd rather see them prioritize Zad, Myers and Joshua before Hronek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: If momentum is true, the Nashville has a lot of it heading to game 6. If the Preds score early in game 6, could be over before it's begun. Nashville definitely has the momentum, imo. Really, if you go by the flow of play, this series should be over at this point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Which is integral to any team wanting to go far in the playoffs. The defense hasn’t been the issue at all in the playoffs. And having the ability to move the puck and generate some offense. Same. There are some warriors on the forward corps (Miller, Joshua) but a lot of players who aren’t capable of sustaining pressure in the other teams end. Even Tampa had to get used to the grind of the playoffs which requires dipping into the well of mental fortitude and pain suppression. Really can’t win without taking some lumps. Hughes has taken a lot of lumps, yet came out yesterday looking great. He’s adjusted well. Players like Pettersson haven’t. True. it’s a war. Every series a prolonged battle of both physical and mental will. He needs to watch how Miller deals with it. Better yet, see how Hughes has adapted. A huge step. Huge. I enjoy how stingy and hard the defense has played. Pettersson needs to prove he belongs in the postseason before any trades are made. True Tampa had Teddy Bear aka Maroon. He was awesome for Tampa. I think Petey has that in him. The desire to go beyond expectations. He will come back next year and be better. He also needs beef on his line. A guy who can make room for him. Number 1 target for the off season in my books. Once he starts making quicker decisions with the puck under pressure things will start clicking. The building blocks are there with him. He can get there. Especially if they find a proper winger for him. I honestly think he needs to give less of a shit and give up on the whole “perfection” idea of himself. He is so driven, he’s in his own way. Which he will also eventually overcome. Kinda like Miller like you said lol. And finally, Silovs…he belongs. Will be really interesting how many more starts he gets with Desmith healthy. But he’s definitely earned the right to continue until he falters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnny Posted May 2 Popular Post Share Posted May 2 5 hours ago, stawns said: If you think Vancouver has been the better team in any game but #2, you're delusional. They've been completely dominated by the Preds. Watch the game, not the stat line What is seriously wrong with you do you even like hockey? Is a win only good enough if everything is perfect? like seriously dude take a break and go clean horse shit and let real fans cheer together and talk about how much they like their team or bond over the struggles Get over yourself 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Unbelievable how many loser doodle trolls here. My goodbye grow up. Either cheer for your club or go away. Clearly the negative Nellys are loser doodle trolls. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris12345 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, 24K said: I only watch elimination games if Canucks are out. I give 0 shit about games 1 to 3 for other teams. To me that is just filler till elimination. Oh wow I'd watch every game if I could absolutely love the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Just now, Johnny said: What is seriously wrong with you do you even like hockey? Is a win only good enough if everything is perfect? like seriously dude take a break and go clean horse shit and let real fans cheer together and talk about how much they like their team or bond over the struggles Get over yourself Personal insults, classic for your group Does people's opinions offend you? That seems like a you problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 11 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I think Zadorov has to be signed. Hronek has, in my opinion, at the very least, a 'meh' series, if not just bad. He isn't worth 8M. That money could definitely go towards the other UFA's that management wants to resign. Hronek I think could probably get a RHD prospect coming back maybe? I like this lose mik an trade hronek for best possible return keep zads joshua garland and maybe lindholm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43isprime Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 4 hours ago, 43isprime said: If during the regular season we pointed out that Pettersson had only 2 pts (both secondary assists at that) and 7 sog in the past 5 games, there would be accusations left and right of cherry picking. Turns out, in the playoffs, these small samples actually matter. Consistency matters. Playoffs are exactly why it's important to be able to count on your highest paid players to show up every game. Some of us had been emphasizing this point all season, to a chorus of "well he's the n-th leading scorer in the league" (for steadily increasing values of n over the course of the season, funnily enough), or "stop cherry picking small samples". Even if he has a great Game 6 - if he produced in the first 5 games, maybe we could have finished this series in 5 and gotten some much needed rest. Again, it's why the top players have to be able somehow positively impact every game - we haven't seen that from him so far. He looked a bit better in Game 5. Let's hope he has a great Game 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 13 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I think Zadorov has to be signed. Hronek has, in my opinion, at the very least, a 'meh' series, if not just bad. He isn't worth 8M. That money could definitely go towards the other UFA's that management wants to resign. Hronek I think could probably get a RHD prospect coming back maybe? Depending on how hard he sticks to his demands, I'd prefer the assets coming back.......they might be able to recover a 1st round pick, along with some depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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